The point of any protest is to bring attention to an issue. Haven’t the protesters accomplished that? Is there a person in America not aware that the cops fucked this guy over and murdered him?  

 
All that said, aren’t the extended protests hurting the very people they are meant to help?

 
African-Americans, due to the locations of most of the riots ( and by location I dont mean the city, I am referring to the specific section of that city), are being disproportionally hurt i.e. their businesses are being damaged, their shopping centers destroyed, their jobs lost, their anxiety and fear in general increased tenfold etc

 
And now, aren’t the legitimate protests shielding and hiding the more radical, fringe elements and allowing them to ravage the cities with greater ease? No, of course that isnt their intent but isnt that the end result?

 
No, I am NOT talking about governmental interference to stop the lawful protests. I am merely questioning whether the decent people out there ought to go home now, to fully expose the anarchists, law breakers and riff raff and allow LE to round these mother fuckers up and end this?

Minneapolis had a much better night last night. As more cities implement curfews and integrate the National Guard into their plans, I’m hoping things simmer down.

after three months of no jobs, no bars, no restaurants, not even a fucking skating rink to go to, a lot of these people are just plain fucking bored and with a LOT of pent up rage, not at the Floyd killing, I bet you half the "protestors" don't even know his name, and none of the rioters even care.

 
Sorry, but the majority of the people out in the street are simply "rebels without a clue" and they have been weaponized for political purposes. Do you really think a bunch of jobless, bored, inner city youth are simply going to stay at home "for the better good"

 
Obviously the fact that the racist (we think) murderous (we KNOW) cop being allowed to walk the streets for days due to a cowardly, inept, and quite possibly corrupt District Attorney, combined with the fact that the other three cops haven't been charged with ANYTHING yet, isn't helping, but asking the peaceful protestors to stay at home for the greater good is going to do about as much good as Mari asking his fellow libs to be "reasonable" lol

I do not believe it  is as simple as your post.  Yes, the factors you mention ARE a reality we are living with, as a result of our attempts to deal with this pandemic.  But I believe it goes well beyond that.

 
As Jack stated in his post, there are much more subversive elements in action during these demonstrations, using this opportunity to hijack the intent of these demonstrations to satisfy their own subversive goals.  Some are outright criminals and are using this opportunity to loot and destroy property.

 
Some are radical entities (on BOTH ends of the political spectrum) and are also using these demonstrations for their own narrow purpose and potentially shed negative, undeserved attention on the honest, peaceful, demonstrators.

 
There could be a third element, those truly angry, but enticed to act in ways they would not otherwise act, due to the pandemonium unfolding around them.

enough, enough?  While something definitely needs to change to improve the way some, people of color are treated by police.  More demonstrating will not get them any closer to their desired outcome.  It is more than a legitimate question to ask; "when will honest, peaceful protestors realize they have made their point?"  Their message has been received.  They have already directed the much needed attention to this cause.

 
To continue beyond this point, honest, peaceful protestors risk looking like they are no different than the dishonest, criminal participants, who are engaging in purely criminal activity and SHOULD be apprehended by the police.  No matter how sincere and peaceful their efforts have been to this point.

 
The challenge for LE is to try to separate the honest/peaceful from the criminal elements and deal with each appropriately.

And this isn't directed solely at you for I see CNN pulling the same stunt. Liberals are trying to make this into an equivalency argument and from what I hear and see, there isn't any such argument to be made as of now.

 
The bad actors are primarily Antifa, BLM, anarchists, anti-capitalists (i.e. Leftists) with some young white and black college aged liberals mixed in. Virtually all of the looting I have seen, sadly, is from African Americans most notably in NYC, Philly and L.A.  
 

Is it possible there are some right wing groups there? Possibly, but Barr has said the overwhelming majority are the Leftist activists and that is backed up by some of CKS posts and links.  

 
So if your point is that there is some small fragment of right wingers causing the damage, I cant prove you are wrong but lets not kid ourselves into thinking this is not almost exclusively people from the Left side of the political spectrum.

We are six days in and we all need a break. To the protestors who weren't violent, good job.

 
Now go the fuck home. lol

Yes, honest protestors do risk looking like the professional agitators and ALL protestors have always risked going to jail How many times has someone like Jane Fonda been arrested?

 
Yes, it's going to be very hard for local LE, and even harder for the national guard to separate the "honest/peaceful  from the criminal elements out on the streets, but they don't have to figure it out on the street. EVERYONE looting, causing damage, throwing a brick, molotov cocktail etc needs to be arrested and THEN we can figure out who they are. The college kid(of any color) who lives two blocks away should get treated one way, the guy from Seattle with prior links to ANTIFA who "just happens" to be caught red handed throwing a fire bomb in Minneapolis should get MUCH different treatment and "if" someone with White Nationalist ties is also caught up in the mix, I don't see a single reason that person should get any kinder treatment than the ANITIFA member.  

 

I think you will agree it's a lot easier to make this determination at the station than it is in the middle of a melee when bricks and molotov cocktails are flying through the tear gas filled air.

These people lost their jobs along with everyone else, back in March. Their lives were already fucked up and then that fuck and his buddies crushed the life out of Floyd.
And, NO, the "legitimate protests" are NOT "shielding and hiding the more radical, fringe elements," you utter dolt. The legitimate protests are happening during the day (you know, when the sun is shining). ALL the people out after curfew, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE DOING, are lawbreakers and subject to arrest.
Time to sweep them all up.

logistics.  The police are significantly outnumbered.  Your proposed solution makes sense.  But just how many people could the police/National Guard actually apprehend, not to mention process, and come to the valid conclusions you suggest?

 
Not sure how many days ago, but when the governor of Minnesota and mayor of Minneapolis established a curfew, the sheer size of the crowds and their mobility, compared to images, showing the size of the police available to enforce this curfew, boggles the mind.  Seems to be a lot of people and a lot of territory to cover, even after activating the National Guard.

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But I think we both agree with at least some of it.

 
and yes, it's not that hard for "Professional agitators" to get people who are unemployed, been "sheltering in place" for months, have ZERO outlets to blow off steam and are already legitimately pissed off at what appears to be FOUR murderous cops. That's a powder keg that doesn't need much of a spark to set off.

The legitimate protestors aren’t intentionally shielding the agitators and looters. But the agitators, arsonists and looters are most certainly using the protests as a shield for their illegality and insurrection.

Laffy pointed out kneeling cops, and that’s an excellent tactic when amongst PEACEFUL protestors. But when there are violent elements hiding within those crowds, unfortunately tougher and more decisive tactics will be brought to the table.

Thanks to the limp wristed initial response to this crisis mainly by the mayors of the Twin Cities and other mayors across the country, it may be too late to do much "this time". Unfortunately this might be one of those fires that is just going to have to burn itself out after getting too big for the firemen to actually do too much about it. I hope I am wrong.

 
At this point it may take the local population protecting their own streets, homes and businesses. I would love nothing more than to turn on the news and see a solid line of local residents of all colors, armed to the teeth standing side by side in front of every local business daring someone to burn down THEIR town.  

 
I know this is wishful thinking but if you remember hurricane Andrew that leveled Homestead Florida, before blowing through Florida and hitting the Louisiana Coast, while there was considerable looting in most of the communities affected, the City of Homestead had almost none. While all the other communities relied on the National Guard to protect them, the residents of Homestead banded together and protected themselves. Who better to know who belongs in a community and who is an interloper than the people that live there. Yes, I know this is a pipe dream, but that's about all I have right now.

 
If the local leaders, politicians a clergy alike and get through to the locals that it's THEIR community being burned to the ground, maybe the residents would band together to protect it. "armed to the teeth" or not.

Trump stops soiling his underwear and Trumpanzees like you claims ‘ look I told you, our pussy aka king has valiantly and single handedly defeated these blacks! A real hero”

so I do not know how CNN's reporting is going.  Not being one bit disingenuous, truly believe what I posted.  I hope you are WRONG, Jack.

 
Like Laffy, I only trust Barr as far as I can throw him, and any object above 200 pounds is over my lift limit.   Once someone lies to me and proves continuously their motives are strictly political, I find it very difficult to believe them.  Such is the case with Bill Barr.

 
But honestly Jack, you can not envision any of the far right extremist groups, trying to take advantage of this chaos by looting and destroying property to falsely project people of color in a negative light?  That is NOT something I find difficult to believe at all.  There ARE white people in ANTIFA and they nor members of the Proud Boys movement carry I.D. cards that immediately link them with their groups.  So I guess when a white person loots or damages property we won't be 100 percent sure, will we?

I doubt you are correct, but if you are it's very unlikely that at least "someone" with known White Nationalist ties will get swept up and arrested, just like I am very confident that many known members of ANTIFA are going to be arrested too.

 
I am more than willing to let the chips fall where they may, but I see ANTIFA being a much more likely culprit here than any White Power groups who would have to blend in and riot side by side with BLM members. Yes, it's possible, but I don't think it's likely.

 
As I said earlier, "if" it turns out to be right wing agitators, I don't see where they should be cut any more slack than left wing agitators. I'd be fine if they were thrown out on the streets of Minneapolis naked except for a white hood stapled on their heads and the we could just let nature take it's course.

 
But to answer your question to Jack, yes I can see right wing groups "wanting" to make this worse and blame Black America for it, I just don't see them actually being able to do it, not this quickly at any rate. I just don't see the KKK'rs being able to pull something like this off so quickly. They typically aren't that smart individually, or even as a group. Now on THAT fact, you have to agree. lol

I don't find him to be a liar at all and I feel certain he has the proof to back his claim.

 
That said, of course, any hate group is capable of taking advantage of this situation, but I don't see any proof as yet white nationalists are performing any of these violent acts. I am merely saying that the percentages, imo, favor the vast majority of the trouble makers are leftists but that could change.

 
If is see evidence to the contrary I will say so. It's just that, as you are well aware, anti-police sentiment is much more prevalent on the Left in this country so it would make sense they would be more fired up, more angered and thus more likely to be violent.