51% of registered voters are Democrats.  Given the number of registered independents, it is interesting that the Republican candidate won the last 2 elections.  It's especially interesting given that the Republican candidate won the last election with a negative approval rating.

I wonder if it is appropriate to infer from this that Republican voters are more partisan.

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ideological politics. Think about things more in terms of conservative vs. liberal. There are liberal conservatives and conservative democrats.

The country is substantially more conservative than liberal. The conservative Dems outnumber the liberal Republicans. Most Independents lean conservative. If the Dems were to ever start running candidates that weren't so far left, they would win big. But first they would have to not only quit throwing them out of their party, but actually begin to cultivate growth in that sector of their party.

I can tell you I am neither a Conservative nor a Liberal, both factions are nut cases IMHO. I always look for who makes some sense on some of the issues, not all, I am not expecting utopia here.

In this election my issues with Obama is:

1) The no experience thing boggles my mind and had the same feeling about W and didn't vote for him.

2) The vague hope change crap is manipulating the uninformed and have a problem with that.

3) Universal health care. Everything Feds control has turned into shit and I don't expect anything better. Another problem in the making like Social Security.

4) Do not believe in income re-distribution or railing against business. We are Capitalist country and we need businesses to drive the economy not the government. Should there be regulations and control, ABSOLUTELY. It cannot be "all or nothing"

5) I believe in the old adage "give a man a fish, he will eat a meal, teach man to fish, he may eat many". In essence don't believe in government give away, many governments have tried before and it failed and will again.

6) Do not believe that we can talk to everyone and solve the problem. We have bunch of idiots running around blowing themselves up for waiting virgins in heaven. There is nothing to talk to those who don't value their own life and are willing to blow themselves up at the call of a fanatic.

7) Don't give a flying fuck about skin color. I myself is neither black nor white.

8) Bullshit and rhetoric doesn't get my vote, past performance do. It is just like hiring someone to do a job, only past performance can give you an insight into future performance. Obama's past performance is neither noteworthy nor spectacular.

9) Associations do matter when you are an adult. One cannot simply explain away as transgressions. It is your job to know and he didn't

10) When you make mistakes, you have to own up to it. It is not enough to say, "I didn't hear it when I was there". Yep, I was there for twenty years and went to church twice a month.

maybe, but people consistenty miss the GOP advantage in turning out a hugh chunk of a smaller base.  Often, that's the difference between victory and defeat.

There is a complex argument about partianship as measured by the number of "safe seats" in the House of Representatives, and this is often attributed to the racial gerrymandering which seems to have become the norm whenever electoral districts have to be redrawn to account for population changes.  Essentially, the GOP has traded off the creation of districts which become safely Democratie [heavily minority and urbanized]] for the creation of electoral districts which have fewer potential Democratic constituencies [ethnic minorites, labor, urban voters] which tend to be safely GOP.

Many people who are registered Democratic vote GOP because they don't believe in what the party stands for, but they have a resistance to changing party affiliation for a variety of reasons.

Many of my friends are teachers.  They agree with me 85% of the time, but are Dem because of the union, which only represents one a small per cent of the issues that affect them, granted a big one.  However, if you had to ask them to vote in any particular election, they may foresake their union roots because most of their beliefs lie with the GOP.

Another example is death penalty.  Most people favor it, for better or worse. The Dem position tends to be anti, with a few exceptions.

Finally, the unpopularity of Bush doesn't really matter is moving voters away because his approval rating is still much higher than the Dem leadership in Congres.

Don't buy the Sean Hannity electoral vote map fallacy....The last time I watched FOX News was shortly after the last presidential election in 04....He was holding up a map & pontificating how this country is so conservative as most of the map was red...Electoral votes ARE NOT measured in terms of square mileage won...The little blue areas in CA. alone contain more people than 10-12 red states....Another example, maybe a Democrat only wins a few counties in a state, but that's the county where all the people live....It's very misleading to look at the last election & say the country is overwelmingly conservative just because the map is mostly red...

Electoral vote site mentioned just today at how partsian both sides are today as evidenced by the VP debate Thursday...

"Rasmussen took a poll asking who won the Vice-Presidential debate and Obama supporters gave the nod to Biden by 81% to 3%. McCain supporters thought Palin won, 76% to 5%. Were they watching the same debate? The CBS poll of undecided voters said Biden won 46% to 21%. The CNN poll gave it to Biden 51% to 36%. The country is so polarized that it is apparently impossible for a McCain supporter to say: "Biden is a much more experienced debater than Palin so he naturally won the debate. By the same token, McCain is a much more experienced candidate than Obama, so I am voting for him." The model is: my party, right or wrong (Version 1.0 was "my country, right or wrong").

whether democrat or republican but ignorant people are more likely to be conservative. The republican party sells itself as more conservative and ignorant people buy that line of BS.

So, yeah. Republicans are more partisan.

"Many people who are registered Democratic vote GOP"

And your brilliant scientific study comes from...?


"Another example is death penalty.  Most people favor it, for better or worse. The Dem position tends to be anti, with a few exceptions."

Perhaps, but it's illogical because if you say your PRO-LIFE, how can you be for the death penalty?  Makes no sense to me, especially when a lot of lunatic PRO-LIFERS believe that abortion STILL shouldn't be allowed if the woman's life is in danger or in cases of incest or rape.  Like Palin.

So which is it, are you pro-life or not?


"Finally, the unpopularity of Bush doesn't really matter is moving voters away because his approval rating is still much higher than the Dem leadership in Congres."

This logic is idiotic.  Sorry, it is.  Why?  Because the Congress ALWAYS has a low approval rating.  Always.

And your brilliant logic comes from where?  Hmmm?  Where's your proof on this?

How about this?  More than 60% of the country are Pro-Choice.

Does that mean now that 60% of the country is Liberal?  NO.

So, I'd like to know where you got your so-called claims that the country is substantially more conservative than liberal.

Sounds like a bunch of hoo-ey to me.

Sean Hannity's wrong and Biden won the debate?

LMAO

Of your 10 statements:

1 was Neutral

2 were Anti-Partisan

7 were Conservative

Keep and maintain your open and informed mind, the conservatives welcome you.

First, why do you have to jump to "idiot" and sarcastic "brilliant."  Really adds to the debate.

Second, I am pro-choice (one of the areas that I disagree with some of my allies), but there is not inconsistency with anti-abortion and pro-death penalty.  Pro-death penalty means that you think that if someone committed a horrific crime they should be killed.  The fact that you want to kill people who do terrible things is not inconsistent with a desire to save what your perceive as "innocent" life.  

To the people you are talking about there is a difference between an innocent fetus and a guilty murderer.  Because there is a difference, they don't have to be treated the same.

Finally, it is true that congress often has a low rating, but his rating is record, record, record low.  It is dipping into single percentages.  

Most of my friends are Dems and if you mention the Dem leadership - Pelosi, Reed, Shumer, etc - the cringe.  

It is one thing to say congress as an body has a low rating, but when so many of the leaders have a low rating as individuals, that is very different.

These Dems I know disagree with almost everything Pelosi says. Is it any wonder they vote GOP.

Barney Frank is getting up there also. For years, they were embarrased by Ted Kennedy, his popularity soaring when he got sick.

you think the country tilts right-ward...

Just becuase Rush Limbaugh says something, chances are it's wrong and/or it's a lie...

Yep.  We's jus a big bunch of dummies.  Don't matter ifn I got 11 years iv hier edjeecation uner my belt.  Im jus a dumy ole reblikn.

One of the worst things the Dems can do to themselves is constantly berate the intellegence of the opposition.

Reagan was dumb - Funny that no one ever said he was dumb when he was a Democratic union leader. He grew dumb when he changed parties.

Ike was a dumb old dude who played golf. Can't see how he beat the egg head Stevenson.  (HINT - Ike went to West Point. Very high academic ratings, but he was dumb.)

Thomas is dumb.  Oooops, some of his writings - with no ghost writer are released.  Not so bad.

Palin, Goldwater, and dozens of others. All people who were very successful before they got on the national stage.  Then they all became dumb.

Dems can't just disagree with the oppositon. The other party has to be dumb.  

See my last post. Master of the Universe just jumps to "Idiot" and a sarcastic "brilliant."  As if the best way to rebut anything is to insult it.

Golly, wurmsy, whin i git my skoolin' mebee we kin hav a telilgent converse

Your dumb friend.

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Why are you asking what evidence that I offered? You can't see that I didn't offer any? Isn't that better than making shit up or pointing to non-evidence and claiming victory (as you did)?

the Democrats put a candidate that:
(1) That puts family and friends over fame and fortune,
(2) Puts country above self,
(3) and most of all puts God above all else.

Maybe the Democrats will have someone the American (not German or Kenyan) people will want to vote for.

The Democrats are the anti-party; Anti-G0d, Anti-flag, Anti-life, Anti-marriage, Anti-gun, anti-global warming, anti-creationism et al. I have issues with this Presidency most notably Hank Paulson and the $700 billion bailout as well as his spending........

But I am sure as hell not going to allow radical Islamists to attack America. Three thousand of our fellow Americans died on 9-11 for the crime of going to work. You expect me to vote for someone who wants to give a terrorist due process and other constitutional rights American Soldiers, MArines, sailors, and airman have fought and died for? That is audacious.

What's surprising about this election is that McCain is even in the contention for the Presidency. McCain is playing somekind of Muhmammed Ali rope-a-dope strategy because he most certainly has not laid a glove on Obama and his BS. Palin has.

McCain has not called out Obama on what he would do if Iran attacks Iraq if we leave that country. His health care plan is not economically feasible. Obama's credentials are suspect etc.

If I sound a little perturbed is because I am. Today I saw protesters i.e. Obamamanics displaying a large yellow banner accusing McCain of being a War Criminal and another banner accusing Palin of being a Christian Fascist and that makes me angry and now sad. Us Republicans we were chanting, Go USA, Country First, Serve your country, and even God Bless the Cops.

Regardless of how much higher education you have

Did I say all republicans are ignorant? No.

Did I say you are ignorant? No.

I'm sorry your feelings got hurt but do you dispute any of this?

Ignorant people are more likely to be conservative.

Republicans are more conservative than democrats.

More ignorant people are going to gravitate toward the republican party.

How else do you explain the shift from democrat to republican among rural voters in the south?

Well said.

you just described a conservative ideology.  You may not consider yourself Republican, but you are certainly conservative.

I read very well.

You said, "ignorant people are more likely to be conservative. The republican party sells itself as more conservative and ignorant people buy that line of BS."  

That is not strongly implying, if not outright saying:  Namely, that ignorant people are conservative and republicans try to appeal to the conservative, who you already classified as ignorant and buying that bullshit"

If you can explain it any other way than saying ignorant = conservative= rebuplican, I would love to hear it.

Of course you didn't say "all are."  Generalizations never say "all."

Yes, I dispute it. I could give you a list off the top of my head of intellegent conservatives and dumb liberals. Bill Buckley versus Rosie O'Donnel to start. I wish I had hours to list a chart of comparisons.

Please understand:  I am not offended. I am amused at the superior attitude that is so often displayed. "Yup. Them dummies can't agree with us. Just cling to guns."

"We are so smart. We adopt our positions because we are just brilliant.  You are more likely to be so stupid."

Why can't you just say reasonable people and honorable people can disagree? Nope. Thems the dummies and the smart uns, an' we ur the smart uns.

Golly, I dun apologize for 'fending my inteleksual superier.

No, I'd say it merely reinforces the theory of fixed elections. (and with a straight face, too!)

is the definition for conservative, I am one then and proud of it. I don't believe in unpractical BS like using breast milk to make Ice Cream so you can save the cows and start breeding humans.

That is the kind of stupidity I cannot makes want to puke.

I am elated to be conservative.

When you don't have a reasonable argument, say something stupid

then "stupid people" tend to be liberal.

Cmon Wormie, I expect better than that kind of shit from you.

Do you dispute that ignorant people tend to be conservative? They fear change. They also tend to be more xenophobic and superstitious/religious.

Now, which party would be trying to appeal to people's fear of foreigners and pandering to religious nuts?

To be fair, there are segments of the democratic party which try to capitalize on this, too but not nearly as much as the republican party.

C'mon GaG. Do you really have anything in common with the south GA redneck who votes republican because he thinks that'll keep the black folks in their place and believes that a vote for a republican is a vote for god? Why do you think those people are voting republican? It's not because they're really up on their current affairs and economic policy analysis.

"the Democrats put a candidate that:
(1) That puts family and friends over fame and fortune,
(2) Puts country above self,
(3) and most of all puts God above all else."

Jimmy Carter? I'm surprised at you.