If you want to be taken seriously, link to serious information sites. The FEC did not set up those equations, as any logical person who spends more than 1 minute reading the material you posted would conclude.
Please get real. You are boring me with your clownish assertion that the site that you referenced is anything other than a banal joke.
Seems to have Kerry in the lead this quarter as the FatCat who rakes in the most from the wealthiest of Americans.
ummm, that doesn't mean he's not beholding to rich folks and corporate America does it...
And GWB is leading the pack in the Grass Roots (small contributions from all over America) and Devotion (repeat giving and finalcial sacrafice) categories....who woulda' thunk after reading this board.
And if you're wondering who friends and family contribute to you can find it here.
Also of interesting note is hotel and airline travel costs each candidate has reported. Check out Al Sharptons average bill at the Four Seasons.
In Bushs case I think it is called "Tithes"
Feeling a little SOLD OUT, or allot?
Not at all!!!!
I Am proud that the corporations have seen the error of their ways and are now backing the lesser of 2 evils. Perhaps the next election (2008) we will get some REAL presidential people running for office.
BTW, the grass roots movement to help Kerry is doing very well with web donations
I think it is time for you to start helping GW and cronies to pack their bags.
"lesser of 2 evils"
and
"we will get some REAL presidential people running for office."
kinda makes me think you do not approve of Kerry either!!
I think there's hope for you afterall!
btw, I'm not entirely crazy bout either of the bastards myself!
but I could never trust national defense to the left.
and I don't really give a rats ass if we're not particularly liked by the appeasers of the world either, so, it's gotta be Bush! at least for now, by November things could change.
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that are enraged at the USA. The whole world is! GW is not liked and is seen as the dolt that he is the whole world round.
It is time to get a rational thinking person back in the White House.
I did not like Gore either, but I saw him as the lesser of 2 evils also. GW was, is, and always will be, a poor choice to lead anything.
I did like the way he handled 9/11 in the few days immediately following. After that his judgement seemed cloudy and focused on attacking Iraq. Bailing out corps that did not need help and ignoring the small business that really needed help. BTW, he still has not fulfilled his promise to help with the communications problem between NYPD & FDNY. There are STILL families waiting for all that money he was promising. The corps. did not have to wait.
Uh, guys...
Not very many people are happy with the choices we get these days. We don't seem to get statesmen- we get politicians. Bush Sr. was a statesman, but a poor politician. Clinton was about a 50/50 split. Dub is a pure politician, though, as witness to his behaving like he had a mandate when he did not. Kerry seems about 75% politician but his statesman like qualities make him look like Churchill when stacked next to the dubster!
I think we would all like a real statesman- but are not likely to get one out of our present "for sale 2 highest bidder" system.
I'd love to see a real centrist republican effort with someone like Colin Powell, but the party would freak when he told the Christos to flip off (as I think only he would)! Just like I enjoyed Clinton's ways of including, but also declawing his more left wing aprty members.
A system where you have to be party idealogue to get a nomination, and then change course or lie (the Bush method, as I see it) to get the votes to be in office is pretty flawed.
Than post the information that you posted. It had conclusions without giving a viewer access to the detail data that those conclusions were drawn from. I noticed that a "disclaimer" if it can be called that, mentioned that the results were based upon FEC data on gifts of $200 or more over a time period defined in the survey. The basic question that I ask is what level of contribution do they consider "fatcats" and what level do they consider a "devoted" contributor?
I will give some examples why the type of shit that you posted is distorted. Let's say that Kerry had 200 thousand people send him gifts of $20 and 1,000 send gifts of $200. Let say Mr. Bush has 20 thousand people send him contributions of $20 and 500 send gifts of $200, and 100 send gifts of $2000. in such a case, if $200 or more is considered a "fatcat" contribution and there is no consideration given to the size of each individual contribution, then Mr. Kerry can be viewed as the fatcat's choice candidate since he got more contributions of greater than $200 than Mr. Bush got. Also, since contributions less than $200 apparently were not compiled (if that term can be used), the people making the $20 contributions - who were more than likely truly devotees, would not show in the distilled results that you posted.
Get real mister. If you are going to contest the people on the left who you so fervently spar with, then you need to craft your arguments using credible data. The information that you posted is neither data, nor is it credible. Your post was as silly as some of the ones that I have seen from those on the extreme left. In your case and the case of people who you spar with, posting mendacious information does nothing to further your positions.
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link on where raw data came from, fec.org, and how it was compiled.
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If you want to be taken seriously, link to serious information sites. The FEC did not set up those equations, as any logical person who spends more than 1 minute reading the material you posted would conclude.
Please get real. You are boring me with your clownish assertion that the site that you referenced is anything other than a banal joke.
With exception to a few--very few-- people on this board, right or left, random and arbitrary links are posted not daily, but hourly. I have seen so many websites that I have never seen before offered up by the left that are given complete factual confidence and the stories are written completely biased and often time completely off base. I looked at this site and found it very interesting. Based in Minnesota, most noted to be on the left--ALWAYS--, I was suprised to see that there is a reddish rather than blue color, but that actually is how MN is looking at this point and its accurate. So to accuse Beachbound of posting a "type of shit" is unfair and rude. Do you think he made it up? Are you that much of an idiot to think that everything the left does and says is absolutely right and vice-versa everything on the right is absolutely wrong? Personally, I didn't read this and start jumping up and down going SEE! SEE! SEE! I just read it and found it interesting. If you don't like what it says, go find the data to disprove it rather than being abrasive and accusatory.
If you had taken the time to relax and avoid writing your jerkish post, you would have seen that I took the left and the right to task in my post. I think that many of the posts from both sides are examples of trash that is unworthy of serious discourse.
I could use many terms that would appropriately describe your intellect, but I live by the code that I cannot subtract from zero and get a real number.
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about his link being obviously partisan? Just because it's a link that isn't slamming on Bush? or the Religous Right? or just the rank & file Right? Can you disprove the information offered? I am sick and fucking tired of seeing the lefties in here throwing up crap links as though they were the Spoken Word, followed or prefaced by sophmoric insulting rhetoric. Hey, if you have an intelligent opinion, then by all means, let's hear (or read) it. But if you can't offer said information without referring to the President of the United States without slander, then I question the quality of your message. Your hatred has clouded your judgement. God knows he's left enough softballs for you people to bash out of the park without your own heavyhanded input. BTW, yes you "took the left to task" the "extreme left" and what is that, socialists, marxists, enviromental terrorists? Because you don't agree with the info you accuse it of having no credibility. You further pontificate that info showing a close race is as rediculous as that posted from the extreme left. Are you so absolutely sure his info was bullshit?
By the way, I am a political moderate. I simply get tired of seeing the stuff that people like Beachbound posts, this statement also applies some posters on the left. I will call the left posters by name when I see unbalanced, partisan shit that they post, until their time, my argument is with Beachbound over the post that started this thread.
I see it more as the wealthy on our side of the aisle being so eager to get rid of bush and so happy to have a place to give it, that they had a little pent-up demand as it were to focus their progressive giving. GOP-ers have had a focal point for about 6 years and built up a lead.
since the raw numbers are on the Dem side, it's little wonder that given a single place to focus their giving, Kerry might catch up.
This is the sausage making part of our system. Gross, but necessary. I thought Bush would be so far ahead he was unreachable by now, but it seems the wealthy are turning on the man who brought them $2.50 Gas, a land war in Asia, reactionary social programs, and Janet Jackson's tits (OK, I put the last one in as a JOKE!). Even with the big tax breaks he's doling out, his shortcomings are evident to them. Perhaps it's just them covering their asses and giving to both, now that his numbers are slipping (not plummeting as some of us think they ought to, but certainly slipping)!
When polls outside the Us have people thinking that the US president is a bigger threat to peace than Kim Il Sung, I think some Americans sit up and take notice. Most don't, though, which is why this news comes as such a surprise. While it may or may not be true, the fact that anybody thinks it is enough to make one re-think how we approach the world and interact with it. Our present method, the face-slap and the golden shower, certainly looks less effective...