Other than the obvious "Oh, what a tragedy" mantra, I'm curious to hear what the board thinks about last month's shootings at the Red Lake Indian Reservation.

My .02 says there's a whole lot more about to surface before they get to the bottom.....

if the reason non-natives were kept out was to avoid American lifestyle (and deathstyle). Their pride has got to be hurting.

Probably the biggest reason to isolate is to prevent cultural influences much less grievous than this from happening. They hit the negative jackpot with a mass-murder.

Are you implying it is the natives that have chosen to isolate themselves from America rather then an ever saddening story of an American Government that placed them in mandatory lock down until they had lost touch with the world at large?

The situation of the reservation is not unlike any depressed place in America, whether it's the barrio, ghetto or the appalachians. Folks have a tough time escaping, especially after it becomes generations of people all experiencing the same hopeless futility.

Yes, I will go so far as to say it. Despite what has gone before, horrible as it is, this tribe is one of the very few in the country which have a policy of restricting access to white people. For purposes of limiting influence. Among other reasons, to prevent things like the massacre from happening. I am just saying, it looks like it did not work.

We are in agreement about systemized oppression of the Native American, so please find another high horse to mount.

We did not see this stuff years ago. Why?

Is it lack of disciplin? Is it access to guns? Is it the desensitization to violence in society? I honestly do not know.

I don't get it. We seem to be a more of religious society than we were back then, but we have more of these extremely violent incidences than we did then: Mothers drowning thier kids in the bath tub, serial killers turning out to be respect leaders in their church, etc.

There are some religious leaders who are claiming that the chaos, madness and descent into rampant violence are all proof of the foretelling of End of Days / Armageddon / Second Coming of Jesus / Messiah / Moshiach(Jewish Messiah) / etc etc etc.

I just think it has alot to do with the prevalence of violence on television and movies inundating our society from the time we are old enough to watch TV. Have you ever watched a cartoon?
We were laughing at Bugs Bunny outwitting Elmer Fudd, the Road Runner giving Wiley Coyote fits, and how many times did Felix the CaT drop a house on Rock Bottom? The funniest scenes always involved some violent act.

Today, producers like Steven J Cannell and Jerry Bruckheimer have made huge fortunes using formulaic scripts all revolving around action and violence.

You want to blame something? Blame violence on Television.

Thats my take on the issue. Whats yours?

If TV is the reason then how do you explain the absence of school shootings and similar incidents in Canada? The same violent US TV shows are broadcast there as well.

Hello,lets all not forget the kid was on Prozac and had just had his medds increased again. Recent studies (as if it took that to figure it out) shows this increases suicidal & aggressive behavior in children. More children,hell people in general,are legally doped up now in America than ever before. Both Eric Harris & Kip Kinkel also took Prozac,think about it. So,lets not forget in that heaping helping of TV is a drug ad for every pill on the market today. Not to mention you can view more on a unsupervised commputer than you could ever see on a non-cable TV,look at the websites he was visiting/posting to. America needs to get a clue and figure out you can't preach drugs are bad/just say no,while lapping at the pharmaceutical titt. Although I do agree with you that there is more sex and violence than in the past on TV. Todays kids are spending more time being babysat by the TV/computer than by their own parents,eating a fast food diet and are more obese to prove it than in our time. So,to blame the TV you need to also blame the parenting,or lack there of.

I don't think the folks that created the Spanish Inquistion nor the guys that ran the Third Reich had TV, Bruckheimer or Cannell around. They did have an overarching premise of religion however....

Depends which points you choose to make straight lines.

Also responding to 40 Watt:

I don't think you can contend that the lad in question got his introduction to the third reich within the insulation of the counsel elders.

How funny, everyone here is speculating with the exception of one TER member who mentions the drug Prozak.

How come know one has bothered posting the young boys words, his feelings??


Here is a quote from the young indian boy named jeffrey weise;

1, "I guess I've always carried a natural admiration for Hitler and his ideals, and his courage to take on larger nations."

2,  “his courage to take on larger nations”—i.e., the United States, the usurper, the killer and the annihilator of the Indian nations.


What really made Jeffrey Weise mad was not Hitler, but the fascist educational system, because Weise wrote this on the Internet:


3, The public school system, he wrote, "has done more harm than good, and as a result it has left many on this reservation misled and misinformed."


4, He wrote that when he talked in school about maintaining the tribe's ethnic purity by not marrying outside the bloodline, "I get the same old argument which seems to be so common around here. `We need to mix all the races, to combine all the strengths. . . .'

5,
"The times I have brought up that Native women and black men, or white women and Native men shouldn't be together to keep their blood pure, I've been called a racist ... the public school system had done more harm than good," he wrote on July 20 last year.


6, "They (teachers) don't openly say that racial purity is wrong, yet when you speak your mind on the subject you get `silenced' real quick by the teachers and likeminded school officials," he wrote.


However, Jeffrey Weise understood the genocide that his high school was trying to propagate in their propaganda about mixing of Indians with Europeans, and he rightfully became a National Socialist to prevent that tragedy from happening.



It turns out jeffrey weise was a very smart and racially aware young man. He had pride about who he was, his people, and his desire to keep them racially pure. This flies in the face of what the controlled social engineers that run America's school boards want our young offspring to learn, espcially whites, but obviously in this case, American Indians also; mix mix mix!!! Throw away your genetics!!!


Sadly, the young man threw away his life, and the lives of 9 others around him. Was it the prozak?? We may never know, Bless the soles of those who were killed that day, and even that of the killer himself...

Violence was just as prevalent BEFORE TV or even books existed. To claim violence on TV cause people to be violent is fuzzy thinking from the conservative Luddite wackos.

I am Elmer of Borg!  Wesistance is futlie, you will be  assimiwated!

BE VEWWY VEWWY QUIET! IT'S WABBIT SEASON!!!

It was a tragedy.  And it should be apparent that school shootings are not going to stop.  

Our society has chosen to make guns available. Guns may not kill people, but they make the mass production of corpses much easier.  It's far harder to have a one day massacre of 10 people with a knife.

We've chosen to manipulate and coerce children, and allow it be done by peers at school, and so then incite some to deadly rage.

We've chosen to market violent video games to them, that teach them how to shoot and kill without sympathy and to revel in a violent world.  

In the 1970s, the book "Carrie" and movie were immensely successful, because it tapped into the fantasy of killing all the bullies and hecklers.  You could see then, with it's own market niche, that the fantasy was very common, and ignored.

The difference between then and now is that a teen doesn't have to be telekinetic to do it.  Firearm technology has brought it to their fingertips.

Call it all unforeseen consequences.

For a historical example, take Moscow in the 16th century.  Czarist Russia at that time was close to being a theocracy.  Peasants were required to attend mass 4 hours a day-- and the churches had no pews, these people stood!  And they did this, en masse.  The patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church was held in awe, being just third to God after the Czar.  

Yet, Moscow was incredibly violent.  It averaged 9 murders a night, and with a population of only 60 thousand.  Usually the motive was the same-- robbery.  At that rate, of course, more than 4 percent of the population was dying of murder a year.

Don't give in to the myth that religion makes everybody less violent.  It may do that for some violent people who convert, only because they wanted to be less violent anyway, and were looking for some rationalization to guide them.  Otherwise, the genocidal Yahweh and his lackey Moses, et al, give enough source material for anyone with violent tendancies.

I'm not a conservative, you know.  I would say, though, that TV has reversed every social advance of the last 60 years, including for violence, and not because it's violent.  It's because of what hour after hour of directed video does to a developing brain.  By "directed video" I mean where the child doesn't even have to aim their eyes and look-- that's all done for them.  Observing, looking, and just thinking, do not come naturally for them.  

I think it causes violence, but it's not really the content-- it's the process I think.  And the fact that it's used to market products directly to children.  Ultimately, they  feel resentment over the hours in which their enthralled, and know their being manipulated, but can't think their way through it.  I think it can lead to a different kind of rage, where any random person will due to take it out on.  Then you add in violent first person video games-- which in fact, may be an outlet for some.    

It's not the technology, it's the way it's used.  Yes, I think it causes violence, and I say that knowing that people were violent before, but also knowing that this society should be far less violent than it is, and that other countries now exposed to the US form of television seem to be getting more violent.