I would suggest that you check out the status of Muslim immigrants (and others) under France's ongoing "State of Emergency". Seriously, look it up! Yet I'm sure that if the French president Hollande wanted to address the British Parliment there would be no problem. Too many people have become obsessed with political correctness . As far as I'm concerned this has gone beyond opposition to Trump as an individual. I view it as an insult to the office of the President of the United States. Sorry if I offend some of you with my opinion but that's the way I feel.

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Wonder what ill-considered point is buried under the incoherent word salad I just read...

Trump worshipers are retarded as fuck, real talk.  

Trump is an insult to the office of President..

banned Christians or Americans, we would all be in an uproar. It's always "ok" for us to hate, right?

No

USA becoming laughing stock of the world all bc Trump-a-la-pee does whatever he feels like without thinking.

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Because, these Muslim immigrants are already going through extreme vetting. Just because Trump implies they are not, does not make it true. After all, he is the Liar-In-Chief. Does there need to be some adjustments and correction in the vetting? Perhaps. But, he should be relying on those in the know for what they may be. Seems like he jumped the gun by letting his son-in-law and Steve Bannon pull the trigger.

I used to go to Europe about once a year, now going twice a year since I am semi-retired.

It is a civilization committing cultural suicide.  When Berlin become Northern Beruit (a city I visited in 1995) the remaining West will wonder why they welcomed it.

Sweden has experienced a huge increase in rape. As has Norway. Women in Stockholm no longer feel safe to sun bathe topless in parks like they used to when I was there.  Gay bars in parts of London, Berlin and other cities re re-locating or closing. Germany is thinking about segregating public swimming pools according to sex. Also they are discussing separate train cars for women and for men.  Sweden for the first time has begun to reintroduced school classes separated by sex.  Some stores in Amsterdam no longer accept cash, because they are afraid of robberies, as my wife's cousin, a resident of that city, explained. (He is Jewish and was beaten up in the street) An Swedish American friend no longer feels safe wandering around her home town. Paris has no-go zones, as to other cities.  When I started going to Europe, the American left held up England as a place where the cops were not armed.  Now all of Europe is patrolled by SWAT teams with assault rifles.  

You see it in so many ways and if you can't guess where it is coming from you are really trying to ignore reality.  Hint.  It ain't Isreal.

I love Europe and plan to go back as much as i can.  I went to Belgium 4 weeks after the bombing and the restaurants and other places I went to were half empty.  The B&B I was staying at in Ghent lost 1/3 of its business for advanced booking for the next six months.  

It won't stop me.  I am off to England and Croatia in May.  

But they are in for a world of hurt

How do you know its "extreme?"

totally ignorant!

Google is your friend!

As far as extreme, I guess that's up to who is interpreting it. But, at least there is a system to vet them, that is quite rigorous, which is much more the truth than what Trump said:

"Altogether, under the Clinton plan, you'd be admitting hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Middle East with no system to vet them, or to prevent the radicalization of their children," Trump said June 13. "The burden is on Hillary Clinton to tell us why she believes immigration from these dangerous countries should be increased without any effective system to screen."

 
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/13/donald-trump/wrong-donald-trump-says-theres-no-system-vet-refug/

You said declaratively that the vetting system is "extreme." But you are backing off that assessment now a bit and I have no issue with that.

The point here isn't to nit pick you. My point is simply to say why is it so bad for a temporary pause to see just how extreme, or not, of a system we have in place?

I am curious to know what goes on during the process so we can improve it, if it needs be.

But just spouting Dem talking points, or Repub talking points for that matter, doesn't do anybody any good as we are talking about national security which is important to all of us.

Indeed, we don't want to go down the same road as they. Perhaps we can prevent doing so, both humanely, and within the law. I guess we'll see about that.

"So you think Trump's policies toward Muslin immigrant it bad?"

In that context, Trump has pretended there is no, or very little vetting going on. I don't know what the French's process, that the OP refers to, but I'd say it's safe to say, that according to our standards, Muslim immigrants are already experiencing the most extreme vetting of any other immigrants we allow into our country. I to want to know how to improve it, but even Kelly admitted the roll-out did not happen appropriately, particularly from the countries Trump mentioned. And, I also, along with John McCain, Lindsey  Graham and others, believe that, in how we implement ways to defend ours, we can also make ourselves a bigger target to those who want to destroy us. My view is the best way to find the most effective strategies and policies, and implementing them, is not to bypass, Congress, and is to have a full compliment of staff to implement them, and communicate them clearly and seamlessly to other departments involved. From what I've read, Trump's administration is sorely lacking in the staff required to do the job.

Just how do you suggest we do this "both humanely, and within the law"???

We have a clear example in Europe of what NOT to do, what do you suggest we do to keep from allowing our country from meeting the same fate as Europe?

For the record, I have ZERO problem with the "browning" of America. Immigrants from Latin America may change our demographics, but by and large immigrants from this hemisphere become Americans. What's happening in Europe is more of an invasion than anything else. These people have fucked up their own countries, now they have fucked up Europe and we are right in their crosshairs to do it to us next. This is not wild xenophobia, we could become Europe in just a few short years.

and here is an olive branch since you were so reasonable with your response to Phil. I do NOT support the wall and think as you do that's it's a hugely DUMB idea.  I think we have to have some limits on immigration from the south, but Mexicans are not our enemy. The same can not be said about potential invaders from the ME who have ZERO plans of becoming Americans, any more than they have any intentions of being good citizens of the countries in Western Europe.

on this issue, while he stays out of their way. And, I believe it should be done without bypassing the other 2 co-equal branches of government. I don't know what that looks like, and I can imagine it will be messy, and it will need some tweaking as we go along. I suspect that that's probably all that needs to happen now; some tweaking. As far as humanely, that's going to be rather subjective on a person to person basis, but at least have a system most people believe is humane.

Do you realize that this "total and utter chaos" that the Trump EO created was only about a hundred people being detained out of hundreds of thousands who entered this country without incident that very same day.  

No one was hurt, no one thrown in Gitmo, a few hundred people in total were slightly inconvenienced, Boo Hoo.  

We have a very serious problem that is about to hit our shores. Tweaking some of the very same policies that turned the "open borders" of the EU into a virtual war zone is not going to do it. We need some very fundamental changes in the way we deal with Muslim immigrants or we too are going to be overrun with murderers and rapists just like Germany, France et al.  

Yes, there are millions of peaceful Muslims who want nothing more than the freedom to live their lives in peace, but there are also MILLIONS who want to do us harm, who have ZERO intentions of living by our customs or even our laws and if we don't figure out a way to stop them we will soon be overrun with them.  It's not just mindless xenophobia when you can see it happening right now in Europe. There was a time when the Europeans could have made the tough choice to protect their way of life, but by following feckless leaders like Merkel look what happened. Trump might be a bit ham handed in how he is choosing to fight this war, but I'd rather "inconvenience" a few people than be overrun by people who are more like invaders than refugees.

as they did in Germany after they flooded in

who will libs blame?

will they say that the white women asked for it so as not to offend muslims?

or will they blame Bush or Trump

cuz libs need someone else to blame when THEY fuck shit up

or will the lib media just not report it or downplay it

Where did I say it was? It's not so much what Trump is doing, but how he tried to do it; without warning, to anyone. There's a reasonable arguement to be had that Kelly, the Director of Homeland Security, wasn't even in the loop; that he first learned of it from the news. Some reports say that it was Bannon and Trump's son-in-law that started the ball rolling. If that's true, I definitely don't want my government being in control of those two.

...can you imagine the chaos and rush to get into the country if a warning or effective starting date had been given? What we need now is a process to handle on a case to case basis those individuals who are caught up in this mess. After that we need to move on to a meaningful immigration policy.

not to worry

it was just another WaPo retraction

Yes, there would be a flood of applications, but they would be processed first come, first served, and not all of them would be processed due to lack of personnel to do so.

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