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General anthony Zinni blames Neocons for Iraq war
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General Anthony Zinni --- No 'Nitwit Pundit' --- Blames Neoconservatives And Says Their Iraq Course 'Headed Over Niagara Falls'
July 02, 2004
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John Lofton

May 31  2004

In a recent column, Tony Blankley, editorial page editor of “The Washington Times,” attacked, among others, “nitwit pundits” who talk about an “exit strategy” in Iraq as if such a strategy “were just one more map quest printout.” Any such strategy, he said, “will lead us only on a short path to hell.” We should, instead, be pursuing “triumph in Iraq.”

The problem, of course, with our unnecessary, unconstitutional war in Iraq is that there appears to be not only no exit strategy but also no entrance strategy and no strategy now that we’ve entered this bloody mess.

But, don’t take what I say at face value. Listen to the words of retired General Anthony Zinni --- no nitwit he. From 1997 to 2000, he was commander-in-chief of the U.S. Central Command. He was in charge of all American troops in the Middle East.

Following Gen. Zinni’s retirement from the Marine Corps, the Bush Administration thought so much of him that he was appointed their special envoy to the Middle East. In mid-March of 2002, President Bush said that he and Vice President Dick Cheney “both trust” Gen. Zinni. In this same month and year, Vice President Cheney called him “a superb officer.” And in late May of this year, even after the interview I’m about to tell you about, White House press spokesman Scott McClellan said: “We have great respect for General Zinni.”

In his “60 Minutes” interview on May 23, 2004, Gen. Zinni said, about our Iraq “cakemire” --- a cakewalk that becomes a quagmire: “There has been poor strategic thinking in this, there has been poor operational planning and execution on the ground.” Rejecting the idea of “staying the course,” he added: “This course is headed over Niagara Falls…this course [has been] a failure.”

Gen. Zinni says “there was dereliction in insufficient forces being put on the ground and fully understanding the military dimensions of the plan.” And before our invasion of Iraq, he said this was the wrong war at the wrong time with the wrong strategy.

In this interview, Gen. Zinni explained what he means when he says our war in Iraq is a war wanted by civilians, not the generals: “Well, I think the generals, and I can't speak for all generals, certainly, but I know we felt that this situation was contained. Saddam was effectively contained. The no-fly, no-drive zones, the sanctions that were imposed on him. Now, at the same time, we had this war on terrorism. We were fighting al-Qaeda, we were engaged in Afghanistan. We were looking at cells in 60 countries. We were looking at threats that we were receiving information on and intelligence on. And I think most of the generals felt, 'Let's deal with this one at a time, let's--let's deal with this threat from terrorism, from al-Qaeda.'”

Gen. Zinni says his plan for Iraq called for about 300,000 troops. He says the Pentagon relied on inflated intelligence information about weapons of mass destruction from Iraqi exiles like Ahmed Chalabi and others whose credibility was doubtful. He says there was no viable plan or strategy in place for governing a post-Saddam Iraq.

Gen. Zinni says: “As best I could see, I saw a pick-up team, very small, insufficient, in the Pentagon with no detailed plans that walked onto the battlefield after the major fighting stopped and tried to work it out in a huddle. In effect, to create a seat-of-the-pants operation on reconstructing a country with the complexity of problems that anyone could foresee they were going to have.”

For all of this, Gen. Zinni blames “the civilian leadership of the Pentagon directly” and others who are so-called neoconservatives. These individuals include Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, former Defense policy board member Richard Perle, National Security Council member Eliot Abrams, and Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Scooter Libby. He believes these persons are political ideologues who have hijacked American policy in Iraq. And they advocated an invasion of Iraq to, among other things, strengthen the position of Israel.

When asked if he thinks these neocons are the architects of our Iraq war?, Gen. Zinni says: “I think they are. I think it's the worst-kept secret in Washington. That everybody I talk to in Washington has known, and fully knows, what their agenda was and what they were trying to do.

“In one article--because I mentioned the neo-conservatives, who describe themselves as neo-conservatives, I was called anti-Semitic. I mean, you know, unbelievable that that's the kind of personal attacks that are run when you criticize a strategy of those that propose it. I certainly didn't criticize who they were. I certainly don't know what their ethnic religious backgrounds are. And I'm not interested. I know what strategy they promoted, and openly, and for a number of years, and what they have convinced the president and the secretary to do. And I don't believe there is any serious political leader, military leader, diplomat in Washington that doesn't know where it came from.”

When asked if he was these neocons would he resign?, Gen. Zinni says: “Yeah. Definitely. If I were the commander of a military organization that delivered this kind of performance to the president, I certainly would tender my resignation. I certainly would expect to be gone.”

Gen. Zinni, who now teaches international relations at William & Mary, says he speaks out now because he has a duty to do this: “It is part of my duty. It is part of duty. Look, there is one statement that bothers me more than anything else, and that's the idea that when the troops are in combat, everybody has to shut up. Imagine if we put troops in combat with a faulty rifle, and that rifle was malfunctioning and troops were dying as a result; I can't think of anybody that would allow that to happen, that would not speak up. Well, what's the difference between that and a faulty plan and a faulty concept and strategy that's getting just as many troops killed and is leading down a path where we're not succeeding in accomplishing the mission that we've set out to do?”

Well, amen!

As for those of us who think it wise to have an “exit strategy” before entering a war, we are not nitwits. No, we are just taking seriously what our Lord says in Luke 14:28ff:

“For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand….So he that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”

John Lofton calls himself a “recovering, ex-Republican.” He once worked for George H.W. Bush at the Republican National Committee and is now Communications Director for Constitution Party Presidential candidate Michael Anthony Peroutka. His email is: [email protected]


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Now the "civilian leadership" that General Zinni is referring to; Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Elliot Abrams, Krauthammer (unmentioned but involved) are of that certain ethnic/religious background that calls people "anti-Semitic" when they find someone disagrees with them. I am unaware of Scooter Libby's religious loyalty. Cheney isn't of that background, but since there is a buck to be made, he supported/pushed the Iraq invasion.
We also have operating behind the scenes the AIPAC American Israeli Public Affairs Commission. This group of Jewish lobbyists pressures the president constantly into engaging in pro Israel activities regardless of the consequences to America. If you don't agree with them, they call the press-which they own- to rip you a new you know what.

I seriously question if these "neocons" who are pushing America into wars abroad, endangering her international credibility, devote 100% of their efforts into her best interests, or, if they are compromised by their religious state Israel, and what might be best for that middle eastern country. If…if just 1% of their efforts are anywhere but in America's interests and thoughts, they are being loyal to a foreign government, and in this process, their decisions have cost nearly 900 Americans lives, Billions of dollars in future debt.

Now, these people make up between 2-3% of the American population. Yes, we are a republic, which means the minority has rights, unlike in a democracy were the majority wins. As a republic all people of this country are protected by the bill of rights. That’s it. You do not have the right to highjack this country and use her military for the interests of another state that they may be loyal to.

This ethnic\religious group has been kicked out of countries over a 100 times in their history for pulling little stunts like this; Engaging in interests outside of the betterment of their host country.

What should we do with you? I feel that kicking you all out of America would be wrong as it punishes your people who don't agree with what your doing. I do believe, not allowing into the public office, not allowing to lobby congress, taking away your propaganda machine- the media, (TV, print audio) would be a good start to ensure this can't happen in the future.

I believe that the individuals, who pushed us into this mess, should be put to death, or at the very least, imprisoned for the rest of their lives to set an example. They lied to the American public. That lie cost American lives, American Dollars, American credibility and someone has to be held responsible. Voting Bush out of office won't be enough. AIPAC will also control "Irish" John Kerry who is also of that ethnic\religious background, meaning more of the same.

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Hey ZiegHeil33-

Methinks you need to read a history book or two.  Kicked out of lots of countries for taking over their Foreign Policy?  Where do you get that crap.  Look into the Dreyfus Affair in France or the Czarist Police who created Chronicle of the elder of Zion crap you love to read.  All these "ideas" are pretty much discredited, and you will find us jews on every side of every issue.   That we are more vocal than some other races is understandable when you realize we have been reading and writing, ALL of us, for 5,000 years.  Even the Chinese don't have universal male reading and writing for that long!  So we are used to being facile with language.  After that, if you have three Jews in a room, you got at least FOUR opinions!  We are spcifically a DISORGANISED religion, so this conspiriacy stuff is pure crap.

I said crap a lot , but then you did too, you just used a lot of other letters and words.

Get blinded by the Anti-semitic canard, and you miss REAL threats!

I am sad to see an american so misled.....

Sully
Still waiting for my cheque from the "running the world conspiracy" "perpetrated by the Jews".

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   I don't agree with any of this all Jews are evil and behind misfortune in the world.  The fact is every race and religion has its lunatics and extremists.  To say the entire race deserves what it gets is anti-semitic.  
   What is not anti-semitic is criticizing the policies of the govt of Israel.  Is AIPAC really powerful and does it weild its power in congress??  Absolutely!!  As do the oil lobby and many many other special interest groups and lobbies.  That specifically is the purpose of lobbying groups.  
   From a policy point of view there is no denying that a huge consideration for Perle, Feith and the rest for pushing this war was to strengthen the hand of Israel.  Netanyahu was literally on TV everyday and pretty much live in congress pushing this war. Perle and Feith wrote a policy paper 96 for loonie Netanyahu specifically calling for the removal of Saddam for no other reason than to enhance the security of Israel.  Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Libby, Cheney, Abrams, and many other prominint voices fanatically pushing this war were also all signators to that policy paper.  
   Is is possible that there are people in our govt who have dual loyalties to our country and another nation whether its Israel or any other nation??  Absolutely.  However in the case of Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz, Krauthammer, and the rest its blatently obvious and transparent that when it comes to Middle East policy their primary concern is Israeli interests and not American interests.  
    Personally I have very little trust for the govt of Israel to begin with.  I don't know of any other ally whose govt had a spy campaign to steal US nuclear secrets and then pass them off the communist Russians all for increased migration quotas to Israel.  Enemies steal nuclear secrets and pass them off to your enemies, not allies.

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since the war on/in Iraq does Israel NO GOOD, I fail to see how the Neo-con's are helping.  Most Israelis have a more European outlook, that it was premature and should have been done by a larger coalition.

The Neo-cons were out on their American own on this boys...  more's the pity!

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stuff.  My friends call me too serious, but a couple of swallows of what you drink and I will be dancing jigs all day in my drawers in my house, not giving a rat's ass (a Bribite term) about anything.  House payments, no problem, be hoppy Mon. Car payments, no problem, be hoppy Mon.  My job, noooo problemmm, Beee HOPPY MON!.  Seeing providers....uhhg, oh s@@@, on reflection, don't post what you drink, changed my mind.
    Seriously, the post that I am responding to is simply more of your twisting a few facts to paint a broader, sinister picture that has no basis in reality.  But I admit that in addition to understanding that you are intelligent, I also must admire your relentlessness and the openness which you spew out your corrosive and hateful views.  But so be it, I am relentless also and I will counter you whenever I can.

2sense 9748 reads
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the actual quote is "Two Jews in a room, three opinions".

And yes, I am of the Hebrew persuasion.

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Were we to be marooned on a desert isle, how many Synagogues would we need?  

Three, yours, mine and the one we both would not be seen dead at!

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Shalom!

After services d'ya wanna carve up the world?

-- Modified on 7/9/2004 5:45:19 PM

funtime69 6 Reviews 9355 reads
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Methinks you need to read a history book or two.  Kicked out of lots of countries for taking over their Foreign Policy?  Where do you get that crap.  Look into the Dreyfus Affair in France or the Czarist Police who created Chronicle of the elder of Zion crap you love to read.  All these "ideas" are pretty much discredited, and you will find us jews on every side of every issue.   That we are more vocal than some other races is understandable when you realize we have been reading and writing, ALL of us, for 5,000 years.  Even the Chinese don't have universal male reading and writing for that long!  So we are used to being facile with language.  After that, if you have three Jews in a room, you got at least FOUR opinions!  We are spcifically a DISORGANISED religion, so this conspiriacy stuff is pure crap.



Sully, I did not say they were kicked out for taking over foreign policy. I said; "Engaging in interests outside of the betterment of their host country" There is a difference. In this case, it just so happens that taking over American foreign policy was the act.

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