Trauma Surgeons Call for 'War on Ammunition'

Skyla Davis was shot before she was even born.

Her mother, Tiffany Davis, 27 and eight months pregnant, was leaving a convenience store Dec. 9 in Miami when gang members started shooting in her neighborhood.

One bullet struck her in the brain; another hit her in the abdomen, piercing her womb and shattering her 4-pound baby girl's arm and elbow.

Skyla was delivered by emergency Caesarean section. Her arm is now swaddled in a makeshift sling.

Her mother, unable to speak, was told by doctors about the shooting Monday. Because the bullet shattered in her frontal lobe, which controls much of a person's cognitive function, doctors doubt she'll fully recover.

The bullets were from a Glock 10, the same kind of handgun carried by Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old who fatally shot his mother and then 26 children and teachers at a Newtown, Conn., school Friday before killing himself.

"This epidemic of gun violence is affecting unborn children," said Dr. Tanya Zakrison, who treated Skyla. Zakrison attended an impromptu town hall meeting of trauma surgeons at Ryder Trauma Center at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami.

Her hospital, where trauma surgeons bound for Iraq and Afghanistan are trained, is a kind of ground zero in a national crisis.

Last year, 600 gunshot victims -- more than in all of England in a 10-year period -- were treated at Ryder. But Ryder's emergency room is just one piece of a nationwide puzzle.

In 2010, 31,000 Americans were killed by guns -- 60 times more than the number of troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in the same year.

About a dozen surgeons who spoke to ABC News -- some of whom said they owned guns themselves for protection -- agreed that they'd like to see guns taken off the streets across the United States, but conceded that it was an impossibility.

"Have all the guns you want," said Dr. Nicholas Namias, medical director of Ryder Trauma Center. "We need a war on ammunition."

Zakrison said she could tell immediately when a victim entered the emergency room whether they'd been hit by an assault weapon or a handgun.

"Absolutely," she said. "[It] looks like a bomb has gone off on the inside."

She said she wants the bullets used today in many semiautomatic weapons to be banned.

Not only do assault rifle bullets travel about three times as fast through the rifle's longer barrel, but they are designed not just to strike but to explode or fragment, causing extensive damage.

Zakrison also said that victims of gun violence needed to be counseled. She said that when drunken drivers caused accidents, they were given counseling with the hope that they don't endanger people again.

She said that patients she saw who'd been wounded by gunfire were often caught in a cycle of violence and were not given that same help.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trauma-surgeons-treated-baby-shot-womb-call-war/story?id=18010195

WTF? Miami, Newengland, (real) Englang, all the way to Afghanistan. They even managed to throw in the topic of drunk driving...

By the way I thought Lanza, lit 'em up with a Bushmaster?

"a Glock 10, the same kind of handgun carried by Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old who fatally shot his mother and then 26 children and teachers at a Newtown, Conn., school Friday before killing himself."

He was strapping a 10mm pistol as well. "Bushmaster" is a brand name. He used an AR15 type rifle.

I thought Lana killed all 26 individuals at the school with an AR15 type refile?

What is the significants of the hand gun, between these two cases?

He blew his own brains out with the 10mm.

What does a crazed shooter who commited suicide, after going on a murderous rampage, have to do with an unborn baby girl getting shot in the elbow, by gang bangers?

Connection? Correlation? Association? Lets see, what's in common.... Hmmmmm, this is a tough one.... Wait! I got it! I'm both scenarios the perpetrators employed 10mm Glock semiautomatic handguns!!!

if one of these cases someone used a baretta, one incident wouldn't have anything to do with the other one?

By take away I mean take the fucking assault rifles and cosmetic mods; imprison anyone caught with them after July 1, 2013.  Enforce an airtight database; you don't touch a pop gun unless you're registered just like a driver's licensce except for those of you who drive without them and insurance; enforce every gun to have a gun lock and it's use; restrict sales of ammunition to reasonable low levels; life imprisonment for violators.

And on the fiscal clusterfuck from the Banana Republic:

And no doubt when President Romney and VP (ah runned thet marathon in 2 hours) Ayan Rand sworn in they'll get it done from day fuckin' one.  Ah told yeh the polls had Romney crushin' Obamy buh 5 million votes.

Meanwhile Obammy done caved in big time to the moron assholes.  Not even a doc fix yet. And every two months will be a debt ceiling or another fiscal crisis.

From Firedoglake:  Obammy Pussies Out Again and Again

By: DSWright Tuesday January 1, 2013 5:52 am  
 
After winning two Presidential elections campaigning on raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year, Barack Obama has once again caved to Republican opposition. This time in exchange for a deal to kick the can down the road:

But Krugman also said this (same link):


So why the bad taste in progressives’ mouths? It has less to do with where Obama ended up than with how he got there. He kept drawing lines in the sand, then erasing them and retreating to a new position. And his evident desire to have a deal before hitting the essentially innocuous fiscal cliff bodes very badly for the confrontation looming in a few weeks over the debt ceiling.

If Obama stands his ground in that confrontation, this deal won’t look bad in retrospect. If he doesn’t, yesterday will be seen as the day he began throwing away his presidency and the hopes of everyone who supported him.



The White House and Senate leaders reached a bipartisan compromise on the fiscal cliff that would allow tax rates to rise on income over $450,000 and delay steep automatic federal spending cuts for two months.

Two months? He sold out his chief campaign promise for a two month delay? How could someone this bad at negotiating get such great deals in the Chicago real estate market?

The deal plays perfectly into Republican hands. Senator Graham admitted on the Senate floor that he considered this deal “Round 1″ and the Debt Ceiling agreement “Round 2.” In other words, get ready for another shakedown to protect the rich at the expense of everyone else. And if it was not clear before, Obama has every intention of screwing those relying on social programs – in fact, he already did so by moving the needle from 250,000 to 450,000. That is a lot of lost revenue to make up for in cuts.

While the Senate passed the bill 89-8 the House adjourned meaning America went over the “fiscal cliff.” Yet, we’re still here. America continues to exist even after falling off this “cliff.” But how? Is this real life?

The House will reconvene at noon today and hopefully kill this monstrosity. It is past time for the people themselves to force action in Congress because apparently even if they elect politicians (twice) who run explicitly on doing something – like raising taxes on those with incomes over $250,000 – that is not enough. Kill the bill, initiate the cuts, and let’s see if the American people can awaken from their slumber to pressure a real solution.

Comments:


reader January 1st, 2013 at 6:29 am


Yes. Kill the bill!!!! It’s a monstrosity that just sets the stage for more of this nonsense ad infinitum. I am livid that the STUPID sequestration deal which I never expected to be binding is now subject to “delay.” These people have way too much powere over EVERYONE. It’s all PURE kabuki. I want defense cuts: sequestration is the only way to get them. It pisses me off that they can fiddle this crap endlessly and we all have to sit on the edge of our seats. It cannot go on for another four years (followed by something worse) but it probably will.

Krugman.
Well, the CBO estimates cumulative potential GDP over the next decade at $208 trillion.So the difference between what Obama got and what he arguably should have gotten is around 0.1 percent of potential GDP. That’s not crucial, to say the least.

And on the principle of the thing, you could say that Democrats held their ground on the essentials — no cuts in benefits — while Republicans have just voted for a tax increase for the first time in decades.




-- Modified on 1/1/2013 3:07:04 PM

The ABC piece was fluff...The story was about a baby being shot while still in her mothers womb...Nothing to do with Newtown, Britain, Afgahistan, or assault weapons...

My concern was with linking this story to Newtown...This story was about armed gang members. Nothing else mentioned in this article, had anything to do with the little girl being shot in Miami.

fragmentation Ammunition for civilian purposes is wrong

They slice straight on through with not near the devastating energy transmission to the victim's anatomy. Problematic however to anything even distantly behind the intended target. The reduced "energy transmission" can also prove problematic in defending against an attacker "under the influence".
OH yea! almost forgot; The less likely the bullet deforms, mushrooms or fragments in flesh; the more likely it could defeat police body armor.  

 Stop looking to pin the blame on tools MIS-used.

First of all, ARMOR piercing is NOT available to the general public.

Armor piercing can be some sophisticated shit typically composed of a hardened penetrator, and a high explosive component set off by delayed fusing. Armor piercing is higly destructive. It's sole purpose is to get beyond armor then release an explosive charge and/or the penetrator is of such hardened material, like depleted uranium, that due to retained energy it tears shit to shreds. Hell, HEAT rounds use the Munroe effect. A plasma jet burns through the armor allowing the warhead easy penetration.

What you are referring to is commonly known as "Full Metal Jacket." Where the round is fully clad in metal to maintain ballistic performance at range. FMJ tends to do less damage because heavier rounds tend not to deform and become frangible.

With lighter calibers, like .223 that tends not to be the case simply because they break apart on impact much more readily, especially if they hit bone. Thinner jacketing is the reason.

That is why the M16 has a 3 shot burst mode. Pull the trigger once and 3 rounds hit the target, bouncing around like pinballs making random wound channels everywhere as well as breaking up upon impact with bone.

The purpose of fragmentation/deforming ammunition, such as hollowpoints, etc.. is to create massive bleeding within the wound channel in order to drop large prey quickly.

At the short ranges people tend to kill each other at, full metal jacket ammunition is more than deadly enough due to retained muzzle energy.

Due to the unchecked proliferation of weapons into the hands of the wrong people because of ineffective gun control.