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RespectfulRobert 367 reads
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Brand new CNN polls:
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Arizona: Trump +5
Nevada: Harris +1
Pennsylvania: Tied at 47
Wisconsin: Harris + 6
Michigan: Harris +5
Georgia: Harris +1
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CNN has her at 273 EVs even without PA. RCP has upped her total to 273. 538 has her at 292.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 38 reads
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Donald Trump appears to be gaining serious momentum in 10 key battleground states, according to a new poll for the Express US.
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Data from the Democracy Institute shows the Republican Presidential hopeful is favored by five percentage point lead over Kamala Harris - at 50 percent to 45 percent.
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The poll asked 1,000 likely voters who would be their pick in the battlegrounds of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin.
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Nationally, the Democracy Institute data suggests Trump is ahead nationally with 49 percent to Harris's 46 percent.

RespectfulRobert 39 reads
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So now it's the "Democracy Institute" Lester? And they don't even break it down by state! I wonder why? lol. You go with that if that makes you feel better Lester but Kamala is an electoral nightmare for Trump at this moment.

inicky46 61 Reviews 64 reads
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RespectfulRobert 41 reads
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Lester "The Goal Post Mover" Prairie. lol.
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It wasnt that long ago that Lester, Willy, CKS, etc were all about 538 and the RCP, but here comes Lester, banishing them off the island for an organization no one has heard of, while using very vague "battleground state" polls that don't single out any battleground states! lol.
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Nothing is set in stone of course, but Kamala has him scared to his core. She has the momentum and if she wins or draws that debate next week, I think Trump will likely be toast. We'll see about all that but watching Lester's meltdown has been quite telling.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 31 reads
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RespectfulRobert 37 reads
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You shot 538 and the RCP, when once you and your brethren used to tout them regularly when Trump was leading in both.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 45 reads
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Could you link to or quote from some of those posts where I "tout regularly" RCP and 538.
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I've mentioned many polling results from many different pollsters.  
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I do favor Rasmussen Reports and Trafalgar based on past accuracy, at least for national polls (they were in the top three for accuracy in 2020.)  
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Speaking of aggregators like RCP, in this changing environment they lag due to averaging polls that can be weeks old.  
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Anyhow, I await your backing up your claim that in the past I "touted regularly" RCP and 538.  Since  you did call me a liar about it, you should back up your allegation.

RespectfulRobert 37 reads
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Here is you responding to CKS who was talking about his confidence in RCP. And if you notice, I said "you and your brethren." I never once saw you take on your fellow Rs when they mentioned Trump was ahead at 538 or RCP.  
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But now, suddenly, and out of the blue, you divert to the "Democracy Institute" bc 538 and the RCP are no longer in your favor. You are a hypocrite Lester but you aren't alone. CKS has run away from the RCP too, now that Kamala leads there.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 33 reads
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"Pennsylvania remains key.  Trump could lose AZ and NV and still win if he gets PA (and holds the other states he won in 2020.)  But he does need one of WI, MI or PA in most other scenarios."
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It doesn't mention RCP or "regularly tout" it.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 36 reads
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the phenomenon that began in 2016 of the "shy Trump voter."  It's why he won when the polls had him 6 points behind Hillary.  The left has continued to demonize Trump and so this pattern of hidden Trump votes will emerge again on election day.  The result you can read into this is that if the polls have Trump at minus one or two, he is actually ahead. The internal polls of the Harris campaign knows this, and that's why they are shitting themselves while putting on a stoic face for the public.  

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 42 reads
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You'd have to take each poll method on a case by case basis. Some weigh for party affiliation based on past elections. Some don't weigh at all. Some try to determine current party affiliation and then weigh response rates. You're going to get different offsets which in a close election will have a candidate winning in some polls and losing in others.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 38 reads
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I'm not saying there aren't dishonest pollsters. But they tend to be tied to big buck outfits, like newspapers and broadcasters.  Independents have to have a good track record to remain in biz.

RespectfulRobert 40 reads
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You were replying to someone who JUST mentioned the RCP! I guess you missed that? And I never once saw you challenge any R who ever did. Just own it and stop being such a weasel.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 40 reads
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lester_prairie 12 Reviews 43 reads
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Hpygolky 233 Reviews 47 reads
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Trump looks like he's bleeding one point a week
Week ending  
8/7 trump up 5
8/14 trump up 4
8/21 trump up 3
8/28 trump up 2...
see a trend here??  
Don't look at July, its worse

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 45 reads
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Why do you imply Rasmussen is unreliable? In both 2016 and 2020 he had Trump losing the popular vote -- and his numbers were well within the margin of error.  If Rasmussen had Trump winning the popular vote in 2016 and 2020 he wouldn't be the good pollster he is.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 46 reads
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That Peter Thiel, a Trump MAGA donor has invested more then 70M to that company and that he mentored and funded JD Vance run for senate.
Thiel along with Don Jr pushed for the JD pick as VP,. So in essence, Trump sold the VP pick.
And  in a side note, Thiel is gay, not that there’s anything wrong with it and JD is.., ya know, weird….. jus sayin what odd bedfellows 😂😂

cks175 51 Reviews 38 reads
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Lester already posted the full quote that Robert presented as “proof” he “regularly touts RCP and 538”.  The problem is that the quote doesn’t back up Robert’s bullshit claim.  If Robert had specified just me as touting RCP, he could do so without lying. But anyone who reads and then HONESTLY analyzes Lester’s posts know that he is not a post who regularly touts RCP and 538.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 42 reads
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He argues in bad faith.  Hard to respect him because of that.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 49 reads
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Polymarket results are whatever bettors in the aggregate decide.  I don't see how market ownership affects that.  People are trying to make money.  You don't do that by picking who you want to win.  You do your damn best to pick who you THINK will win.  Otherwise you are just throwing your money away.

RespectfulRobert 41 reads
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I didnt JUST mention Lester now did I? I also mentioned you and others. Numerous times YOU have touted the RCP and in the example I showed Lester glommed on to what YOU were saying.
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So why dont YOU address why you ran from the RCP when you posted it about it on numerous occasions and Lester never had the honestly to push back on any of it. But now, suddenly, when Kamala takes the lead there, you ran away and Lester tries his best to push back on it. Show me where he EVER pushed back on YOU using it.  
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Explain please? Try not to run away again s that is your thing lately.

RespectfulRobert 46 reads
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I argue in bad faith? When CNN, FOX, 538 and the RCP all turned on Trump re: the polling you then ran to the Democracy Institute! Talk about bad faith! You are its king! lol.

cks175 51 Reviews 54 reads
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You get caught lying about Lester’s posting history and then try to turn the bad faith argument back on me? Hilarious.

“cks175 ran away from RCP”
Robert seems intelligent enough to construct a clever gaslight, but not so intelligent that he’s able to back it up. You can’t find one post where I discounted the reliability of either RCP or 538. They are obviously acceptable data points for a debate about election probabilities and I NEVER suggested they weren’t.

Getting back to you shitting your pants about the Democracy Institute poll, introducing a counterpoint or alternative data point into an argument isn’t “running away” from an argument, it’s basic Debate 101.  When I posted RCP results favoring Trump, you counterpointed that Harris had momentum. Lester makes a counterpoint to your RCP post, and suddenly he’s running away from his regular (nonexistent) “touts” of RCP. The hypocrisy is obvious.

RespectfulRobert 48 reads
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Even though he never had more than 15-17 % of the vote. lol And NONE of your R buddies took you on over it. If you have a problem with the polling Willy, take it up with CNN, the RCP and 538 who ALL have her OVER 270 EVs right now. Sleep tight! lol.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 40 reads
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But on an election months out.. ??? Really now. Who’s betting on that??

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 47 reads
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It's not months out, though, as far as payouts.  You can buy and sell all the time. Just like stock markets.  You can make money in either direction.  Buy and hold is just one strategy.  
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I only look at PolyMarket as a reflection of mood.  I don't think it is particularly accurate as a predictor of the final outcome.  It's must a million people making guesses.  

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 32 reads
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Ramsussen now today has Trump only +1.    The idea that he is in the tank for Trump has no historical justification.  In 2016 and 2020 he had Trump correctly losing the popular vote.

RespectfulRobert 63 reads
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Rasmussen has long been established as a right wing outfit. You cherry pick polymarket and Hpy exposed that today. Why not try and be honest? You look foolish as you run to right wingers to make your case. I could have just used CNN as I am sure you think they are the "liberal media" but I also added RCP and 538 to show her at 270+ EVs currently. See the difference? You can do better.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 38 reads
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I follow Trafalgar and Rasmussen Reports.  They both did well in 2020.  This is the 538 rating of pollsters.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 44 reads
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Of course this week trump is up by 1. Next week it'll hold at 1 or it'll be even.
And sorry to say, that on this election, its really a do or die for trump...they're kinda in the tank for trump.
I do recall of what Michael Cohen said in the hush money trail is that he would sometimes work on manipulating the polls to swing toward trump, per trumps request.

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