What is with these numbnut Republicans and their desire to destroy the Constitution?  First, wanting an amendment to define marriage in this country.  Now, two dickhead Republicans, one in the House and one in the Senate, have just introduced legislation to allow non-Americans to run for president.  And what a surprise, Shitzenegger is ALL FOR IT!!!

Who knows?  A Hussein/Bin-Laden ticket in 2012?  With Ghadafi as Attorney General?  How about digging up Hitler, Mussolini, and the Ayatollah?  Why not?

REPUBLICANS ARE FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

guess your reply will be "at least that will be better than what we have now!"

  I don't care which party is trying to introduce this bill, a bill like this has no place at all anywhere in the US congress.  A person born in a foreign land, lives there for 40 years, then comes to the US and stays here for 20 years so now this person can run for US President??  Get fucking real!!  Anyone who introduces such a bill should be thrown out congress and frankly thrown out of this country.  Simply unfucking believable that any member of the US congress would even contemplate such a thought.  Where the fuck do you people find these idiots and why do you people vote for them??

As a constitutional amendment, though, it will take a bit of work to get this one approved by everyone needed, even with the Repub majorities in the Legislature.

IF Arnie can keep everything under the rug in Cali for the rest of his term, I guarantee you if this amendment passed that he would win the Presidency.  Guaranteed.

the bill allows people that have been US citizens for TWENTY YEARS to run for president.  what's the rational for someone to not support this?  It's idiotic to have the requirement that president needs to be born in the US in the first place.  It's about time.

... everyone knows that I support Kerry.  The reasoning behind the "born in the US" rule makes little sense.  

At the same time, we should abolish the electorial college and elect presidents by direct voting.  

Both rules are basically anti-democratic.

I'm getting really sick of the disporportionate influence people in small states have over my vote.

Harry

to attempt to amend the Constitution through the processes provided for in it, rather than demanding that unelected judges write new provisions into it (e.g., abortion on demand; fag marriage).

That having been said, I oppose this proposal.  Amending the Constitution should always be done carefully and thoughtfully, and it seems too much like a Governator cult of personality to make this proposal now.  If we do it, it should not take effect until long after its ratification... say, at least forty or fifty years.

You both are obviously too brain-dead to recognize sarcasm when you see it.

Next time, I will type S  L  O  W  E  R  so you both can understand it.

BTW, how are either of you able to type when you're on life support?


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There's a good reason why the Founding Fathers incorporated being a native-born American as a requirement for becoming President.  They were sick of foreign rule.  I wonder, did you happen to forget about a little thing called the REVOLUTIONARY WAR?  Being fed up with foreign rule was sort of the basis for the whole thing.

Forget the whole caveat about a foreign-born person being a "naturalized" U.S. citizen for 20 years.  You actually want someone as President that you're going to need subtitles in order to understand them because they talk like they have a mouthful of shit?

Yes, America is known as the "Land of Opportunity" & is considered a great "Melting Pot" for its diversity of cultures.  I have no issues with those things.  However, no foreign-born person should be allowed to hold the highest political office in the land.  The Constitution says so, and it should remain so.

To summarize, I'll give you a Bruce Springsteen combo to tell it like it is, and how it is supposed to be, in honor of our Founding Fathers, who aren't able to be here today to tell you themselves (and would smack the shit out of all of you if they were here):

You're only "Born to Run" the U.S.A. if you're "Born in the U.S.A."

KCSHYGUY

Didn't think I would say this but I agree with your every word

  Specially on the abortion on demand and gay marriage issues!!

YOU might be a redneck!!!

Prejudice – preconceived judgment or opinion, an opinion or leaning adverse to anything without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge.

What makes you think all naturalized citizens "talk like they have a mouthful of shit"??  I know a lot of naturalized citizens who don’t have an accent and who speak a lot more clearly than many native-born Americans.  Hell, I had trouble understanding Ross Perot.

You’ve compared naturalized-citizens to Hussein, Bin-Laden, Ghadafi, Hitler, Mussolini, and the Ayatollah.  I know many naturalized citizens that are more aware of the community, current events, politics, government, American and world history and civics than most native-born Americans.  I know of naturalized citizens that are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and defending the Constitution while a recent survey showed that over half of the Americans polled didn’t even know what year the Declaration of Independence was signed.  Sure, let’s save the office of the president for native-born Americans like Tim McVey who bombs our cities and Lee Harvey Oswald who becomes a Communist and assassinates the president.

You said, "The Constitution says so, and it should remain so."  In 1919, the 18th Amendment to the Constitution prohibited alcohol in the U.S.  This was repealed in 1933 through the 21st Amendment.  The Constitution has been in constant improvement for the last 217 years.  The Founding Fathers and past legislators were not infallible, they were human.

If you don’t like Schwarzenegger for president, don’t vote for him.  I wouldn’t vote for him either, but only because I don’t think he would make a good president, not because he wasn’t born in the U.S.  Don’t generalize your feelings for Arnold to all non-native-born Americans.  Frankly, looking at the people we’ve had to vote for in the last elections, I think we could use a few more choices.

Let's get to the heart of the matter.  None of this shit about giving any immigrant a fair shake.  

I guess the only principle that Republicans have is that they will do anything to keep power.  They'll go over the constitution with a blue pen to do it.  At least the democrats didn't attempt to amend the constitution to take off the two-term limit for president when it was Clinton's time to retire, even if he hinted that maybe they should do it.  

I guess the strict constructionism of Robert Bork, and in fact, the word "conservative" itself is all bullshit?  Yeah, the Founding Fathers always intended that an Austrian national be president.   It's all over their writings, I know.  

/Zin

Think about it, if you're able.  It might be your feeding-tube time.

Once again you have completely missed the point.  The judges MERELY EXPOSED THE FACT THAT IT (GAY MARRIAGE) WAS ALREADY LEGAL, THERE BEING NO LEGAL SUPPORTABLE REASON to prevent it.

Huge diff.  PRESENT MARRIAGE LAWS and EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE leads to legal gay marriage.  All other efforts are piling on- trying to singleout gay as a special class who can't get married.