If Camrl to gets elected she has stated she will, by executive order institute a mandatory buyback of assualt rifles.  

When looking to purchase a gun you should always find a gun of the proper caliber, size and weight that when you fire the gun you maintain total and complete control of that gun, trigger pull after trigger pull……..AKA gun control

I stick more to Berettas for my big ass hands.

And stop being a dolt Lost. An XO does not supersede the constitution so it aint happening and of course you provide no link.

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First you ask about gun control in the subject. But them you ramble about the possible mandatory buyback of assault rifles. Two different things.

There is no physical distinction between a rifle and an "assault rifle". It's a propaganda term.  
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Semi-automatic IS useful in self-defense. The ability to fire more than once quickly is vital since there is a strong likelihood of not even hitting your attacker on the first shot, so timely additional shots are vital.
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Large magazines are also vital since you may have more than one attacker and you may have difficulty hitting them and they may not stop after being hit with the first shot.
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Rifles are vital in self defense because they are easier to aim, which of course is both a defense benefit and hitting the target is better for the safety of others nearby than missed shots.
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Having just listed ALL the significant properties of "assault rifles" you can see there is no meaningful difference between a rifle and an "assault rifle" and the above features are vitally important in a defense role.

In your subject line you say “2 questions” and you label both “first”  failed grade school arithmetic I see.
Also neither in the form of a question ….grade school dropout I see.

Show me all the times someone legitimately used and needed a semi automatic for self defense.  In most cases they were used at close range. Unless they mentally changed in learning how to shot straight, they didn’t need them. Your argument is the typical one used, but it’s baseless. Guess how many were used in mass shootings. More than 25% of the time. Because you know what, they are great for taking out multiple people in a short time.

NOT every rifle is a semi-automatic. The word "rifle" refers to a long gun with a rifled bore. That's IT. And a basic rifle is BOLT ACTION and can't be used even in semi-automatic form.
Fester knows NOTHING about weapons and is a complete IDIOT.

I support some restrictions but not a ban.  Owners should have had Military training in one of the service branches on how to properly use a high-powered weapon like this, or else condition the sale of the assault rifles on completion of a training and safety course at a government-licensed gun range.  

IMO, all gun ownership should involve training and passing a test. You wouldn’t give a driver’s license to someone who can’t pass a written and driving test. Why give a gun to someone who cannot do the same? Now some states already do this, but many do not. I don’t quite understand why everyone outside of the gun companies who want to sell more guns wouldn’t want this as a prerequisite to getting a gun license.

You need to alter the Constitution.  You don't need "training" to exercise your 1rst amendment right to free speech.  As the SCOTUS similarly concluded, the right to bear arms is not a secondary right and therefore there is no "test" needed to exercise it.   Whether you think this specific line of inquiry is wrong, be advised that it was explicitly raised in the SCOUTS decision.  It's is now the law of the land.  If you are a member of "the people" you have a right to bear arms.  The court ruled that denial of such a right must be based on history and tradition of such restrictions and the time period for such history is circa the time of the adoption of the bill of rights.  Not the 20th century.  

Define "legitimately."  If it is just a test of your opinion, then it's a fool's errand.  If it is based on lack of convictions for murder, then Kyle Rittenhouse usage is a "legitimate" example of use of an AR-15 to defend himself, as he was found "not guilty" and is therefore and forever presumed innocent as a matter of law.

OMG.... here we go. The same guy who comes here to act far superior than anyone else with every post, if they don't agree with his current California logic, coming in with the same ol argument.  

You seem to not comprehend my point. Not being found guilty simply means the person using it likely was doing so in self defense. On average, there are 5 of these per year. And, TBH, if this was the only way they were used we would not be having this debate as I wouldn't mind it as much. What I am saying is did they really need it vs. another gun type. Kyle Rittenhouse is the perfect example. He used it from up close. Unless he is untrained and/or incompent, he did not need an AR-15. This is my point. If the rationale is one's right to protect themselves, the question to answer is not if they used it to protect themselves or not. The question is did they need it or were other gun types that are not perfect for mass shootings good enough for their protection needs. My arguement stands that there are enough other gun types that anyone with proper training and a decent level of compentency can use them to meet their needs.

You literally spent the first 3 paragraphs adding zero substance to this conversation. At least Fester tried to stick to making a point. You just come in here and whine and moan like a pathetic drunk. How many beers you popping back every night? 10? 12? 15? I mean seriously, this is mostly a bitchy rant about a bunch of nonsense that makes no counterpoint. You're just complaining about what I said.  

I expected a bunch of long rambling nothing as usual from the boards know it all. Instead of trying to tell others how to write, take care of your own beforehand  

Lester really hit the nail on the head in the post above.

More bitching about me and no point to make about the actual argument. Why is this? Because you have none. GTFO.

So basically you don't care if a pyschotic imbecile has guns because it is his constitutional right? Maybe you should read the contitution, or at least the 2nd Amendment if you are going to site it. Here's a little something:

I can't argue with a complete dumb ass. And you are definitely that.

The 9th Circuit just blocked the California law that allowed only one gun purchase every 30 days. There are never ending appeals on this stuff but as of today Californians can buy as many guns as they want.
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The court nullified the law ruling that the state was unlikely to win on appeal since the law is likely unconstitutional.

“First, gun control is not about taking guns away from people.”

What the difference between a single action and double action revolver? What percentage of pistols made today are semi-auto? What does semi-auto even mean? When you pull the trigger on a semi-auto fire arm how many bullets come out?

“Not being found guilty simply means the person using it likely was doing so in self defense.”

You know nothing about guns, Zeel. Nothing. You have zero training. The people who buy guns do have training. Most of them have been using guns for decades. What gun license are you referring to? There is no such thing as a gun license. There’s concealed carry permits. The vast majority of all gun owners have concealed carry permits. Getting one requires training. Gun owners like having them because it allows you to cross (some) state lines with a gun. It also makes it easier to buy guns privately like at gun shows because to get a concealed carry license you have to pass a background check. This gives sellers at gun shows reassurance that they’re not selling to a criminal. BTW, only 2% of criminals got their guns from gun shows. The vast majority buy them on the street or get a gun from a friend.

Okay, you broke it down, and I will break it down. And, you debated and kept it respectful, so I wll too. I appreciate respectful debate.

But they’re really not.  

They're scary because they are the preferred choice of weapons for mass shooters. I can see why you think they are good for a number of things. Likely, these mass shooters do as well. Again, to be clear, I'm not saying all rifles. Just semi automatic. Not sure why you specifically need a semi automatic. I don't see the need to be able to quickly shoot multiple bullets.

“They're scary because they are the preferred choice of weapons for mass shooters.”

You're trying to reason or explain logic to a guy that has none of either. He knows everything. That's why he "attempts" to talk down on everyone here.  
He's a big man behind that keyboard.

Willy - Gun License Don't Exist

Every gun owner in the country knows what an FFL is. Suppose I buy a gun online from a store in Montana while I live in Virginia. Can they just ship to gun to me? Nope. The seller has to ship it to an FFL in Montana, which then has to ship to an FFL in Virginia before I can pick it up and bring it home. Typically gun stores have an FFL license to avoid the hassle.  

The fact is this conversation is shifted so far off topic and that is because you get caught up in the details that have nothing to do with the debate. I have not once pretended to be an expert on guns or gun ownership. I have my opinions on who should own them, and the law does support not allowing them in the hands of the mentally ill or those with past criminal records, albeit not just any criminal records. This was covered already.

You should take a gun safety course. Yes, even if you don’t own a gun and don’t plan to ever own one. Suppose you’re at a party or you find yourself in a situation where you need to safely handle one? Wouldn’t you want to know how to clear the gun of bullets safely without shooting your foot off?  

and you, sir, are way, way off on many points.

1) You CAN own a shotgun or bolt-action rifle without a permit.
2) Since 2022 you must have a permit to purchase an AR and you must be at least 21.
3) ANY pistol must be licensed. It is true, as you stated, that character references are required. And the permit is ONLY for a specific pistol or pistols. Mine, for example, lists the name and serial number of the pistol I own.

that would not be covered by the quote  
I provided which is from the 2022 SCOTUS opinion in Bruen which struck the public carry license requirement that the applicant demonstrate a special need for self defense. But the quote is provided to convince Willy that his notion that  
“There is no such thing as a gun license” is certainly wrong as far as New York is concerned.

I realize you know the law better than I could ever hope to, so I will defer to you on some of the finer points, but there's a few things I'd like to point out.  

Because you also quoted a line that is incorrect. "It is a crime in New York to possess "any firearm" without a license" That is just flat-out wrong. It has NEVER been a crime to own a shotgun or a bolt-action rifle. Not before 2022 and not after.

…is prohibited from any regulation at all?

Go look it up and report back to the class.

Willy, help me understand how the LA Korean shop owners could use an AR-15 for self defense

When he does that, he is referring to firearms as defined in the statute, not the ordinary meaning of “firearm.” Since you seem interested,  I looked it up and we see it depends on the length of the shotgun or rifle

is meant to ban "sawed-off" or concealable long guns. Thus leaving the basic shotgun and bolt-action rifle purchasable without a license. Most shotguns have a 26-28" barrel. Most hunting rifles have a 22-24" barrel.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooftop_Koreans#:~:text=Rooftop%20Koreans%20or%20Roof%20Koreans,local%20businesses%20to%20defend%20themselves.

In regards to bullet penetration, you may find this interesting.

There's actually a practical distinction that's worth discussing: standard bullets vs. hollow point. The latter are considered inhumane because they cause huge internal damage. However, a hollow point bullet is far less likely to pass through one victim's body, go through a wall and hit someone in the next room. I don't use hollow points but there's actually an argument for them.

Hollowpoints could be considered more humane as they open up after being fired and lose kinetic energy. This prevents the round from leaving the body causing an exit wound. Exit wounds cause most firearm deaths due to blood loss.  

Sorry I couldn't join in the convo because I was fucking. Again. (Saturdays have been good to me lately)  

And then he lied. Again.
He's a dickless wonder. And everyone knows it.
PS: thanks for another link I won't open. Neither will anyone else.

I didn't like my own post limp dick. Someone else did. Because I'm right. Again.....as usual  

Not to mention he has no clue where I actually am and can't even correctly read a time code. Thus he is WRONG again on all counts. He never seems to tire of make a fool of himself. It's the one thing he's actually good at. That and repeating everything I say.
So repeat after me....

Ain’t that right… Cletus😂😂

Well I played him like a fiddle again......this is tooooo easy!!

I honestly have no idea what "he" is talking about. Would someone please translate? I don't speak gibberish.

When all you have left is bitching and moaning insults, you have clearly run dry.

Which is why I rarely post here anymore. All they have are grievances, hate, and insults.  Trying to educate, or even attempt a reasonable debate, is a complete waste of time.

Maybe dry humping is all you do these days😳
No wonder you're angry!

No need to translate good English. "You" continue to look like a fool. I'd say even your fellow lefties are embarrassed for you but many of them are strangers to common sense so that's out.

I'm one of the least angry persons there is. I'm not angry at you. I am laughing at your simple mindness.

Oh.... contrair mofrair  
You are very angry and argumentative for anyone who doesn't believe your ideals. That's why you spend so long writing a novel back to willy each time. You angry as hell!

We all know zeel4cock is never angry but is very calm, serene, and in bliss  
when he has a …. (well you know) in his mouth or elsewhere.  

You lefties believe that if AR15s went away the US would be a safer place?

SPOAT now takes a second title: MEPE.
Most Embarrassing Poster EVER.