It's true, he was born in Panama!

Of course, it's not really all that interesting when you see the ENTIRE truth, nor is Sidney as interesting a name as that damn Muslim one, but facts are a funny thing when you start playing with them.

We can't have a damn furrener as pres.  I bet McCain had ties to Manuel Noriega.

that wiki thingy is cool ...

(esp the paragraph that follows after the "Adoption" paragraph)

try this :


-- Modified on 10/9/2008 11:37:15 AM

phew, thank god for that.  Oh shit, I forgot...there is no god.  Sorry Charlie.

read your link. His father was a Naval Officer on a US Naval base. That makes him a US citizen at birth.

there is no god. There.

Good idea. Let's punish all military serving overseas by excluding their kids from U.S. citizenship.  Hey, if a soldier takes his family outside the U.S. during his term of duty, let's strip the kids of the right to full citizinship


Apart from that, it is stupid to say he is not a citizen.  For the past 50 years, thousand of children have been born in U.S. military bases over seas.  Now, let's start counting.  

Of all of those born overseas, how many had to apply for citizenship. ZERO.  It has always been the assumption that children of military born overseas are full citizens.  

There has never been any judicial, administrative, or executive decision in the history of the United States that would support the idea he is not a full citizen.  

Come on: one case holding someone in that situation isn't a citizen.  I will wait.

maybe you really spell furrener that way!

If he'd read what I wrote, he'd certainly see that my point was that ridiculous claims are easy to make, but that the facts often betray the assertion.

It's easy to say that Sidney is a foreigner, which he TECHNICALLY would be...he was born outside of the U.S. but, of course, common wisdom would dictate that he's a US citizen, since he was born on a military base.

In his defense though, he did it when the equally inane rumor was going around about Obama's citizenship.

Joke or not, this has got me to thinking, (I know, that's a first). A woman, (US citizen),  gives birth on a United Airlines flight from London to Chicago, while over the North Atlantic. The baby is a US citizen, I would say. Or, a woman, (US citizen), gives birth on a British Airways flight from London to Chicago, while over the North Atlantic. Is her newborn automatically a US citizen? I would say no, BA is not an American flag carrier, while United is. Being an American flag carrier has nothing to do with the decal on the rudder of the plane. It has to do with the "Supplemental Carrier rules" for international flight. Is citizenship based on the parents's nationality, or the place of birth?

The constitution requires that the president be “a natural born citizen"  It doesn't say "born here."

There are two ways to become a citizen. First, if you are not a citizen you can be naturalized.  

Second, if you are born one. - i.e., "natural born."  People born to U.S. citizens who are temporarily overseas are automatically citizens. They are born citizens, naturally.

That is why they never have to go through immigration the first time the come to the U.S.
That is why they never have to apply for citizenship to vote, serve on juries, or get any other benefit of citizenship.

They just have always been recognized as citizens, regardless of where they are born.

The reason from this stems from the concept of a citizen being "subject to the juridsiction" of the country, as reflected in the 14th Amendment.

American citizens are still subject to the jurisidiction of the U.S., even when they are overseas.  That is why they can't engage in sex acts with children in Thailand, even though it may be legal there.  (There are scores of other things Americans can't do overseas, even though they might be legal in that particular country.)

If you are born to U.S. parents, you are subject to the jurisdiction. Because they don't have to be naturalized and because they are subject to U.S. jurisdiction, they are born citizens.

A baby of an American couple born either on an American Airlines flight or a Brit Airways flight does not have be be natualize and is subject to the laws and jurisdication.

Therefore he can become president.

Hope that helps.

Hmmm, I didn't know that, although it makes sense as well.  It's not going to change my behavior, since it's not the law that prevents me from doing it, but interesting nonetheless.

but if the US ever tries to stop me from having sex with 18yr old Thai girls we are going to have a problem, or Vietnamese, or Colombian etc. etc. lol

Wasn't that piece of shit Spitzer the one trying to stop the "asian sex trade", that lying hypocritical piece of shit?

He was trying to stop the trade for you & I.  That way, he could keep it all for himself.

That is because John McCain’s Father was honorably serving in the UNITED STATES NAVY  and was stationed there.
What branch of the US military did Barack Obama’s father serve……..Oh that’s right His father was born in and was a citizen of a forign country then came to the US.


Thank You
XLIII = 4



-- Modified on 10/11/2008 6:57:03 AM