You get put out to the pasture. She said McCain cannot run a business as if she does.

She screwed up Lucent and HP.

Carly, Gramm, Davis, Black, Schmidt  .... just goes to show you ... a pattern of poor judgment in picking campaign staff.

More bad judgment on picking cabinet to follow ...





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Granted Carly was justly fired for her poor performance @ HP, but actually she was spot on saying that McCain, Pallin, Obama & Biden are not qualified to run a Fortune 500 company. In fact, if I was on the Board of Directors search committee, and they were my only 4 choices, then the only qualified candidate would be Pallin due to her current executive experience, i.e. hiring, firing, capex projects, budgets. When you hire someone you look at attributes (leadership, integrity, competitiveness, focus, etc) skills and competencies. Seriously, do any of these candidates have the requisite skills and competencies except for Pallin.

For a minute I thought you meant Sarah Palin.  But then I saw that you were talking about Pallin, and was able to come back off the ledge.

Officer Candidate school. Yea, McCain has been contaminated by the US Senate, but he has the experience of making tough decisions. What you stated I agree with entirely. I like to add another important quality in leadership and that is the ability to start a task and complete it.

I do love Palin, I think she make a great executive.

I used to work for Perot's 1st company, but he had already left when I joined. Perot was famous for going out of his way and hiring military officers. Without a doubt, when you talk about the right attributes (leadership, integrity, character, competitiveness, focus, etc), no one comes close to either Officer Candidate school, ROTC, and especially the Academies.

So I stand corrected on McCain as it relates to having the right attributes. The area he would lack in is specific skills and competencies you can only acquire working for a Fortune 500 company, or running a State.

I can't believe you say you like Palin. What is this about Republicans and thoroughly unready, ill-tempered and incompetent people. Do you really think you're going to draw an ace from that deck? It has happened at times in American history that the better Chief Executives were under-estimated. But you can't keep drawing aces.

I think we'd have a better chance nominating my next door neighbor than Sara Palin.

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For sake of argument, let's say you are on Cisco's Board of Directors responsible for the search and selection for John Chamber's replacement. If you had Obama, Biden's, McCain's, or Palin's resume on your desk, there is probably a 100% chance you wouldn't select any of them. They don't have all the requisite attributes, skills and competencies to lead a company as complex as Cisco. In that respect, Fiorina was correct. Now if you had to pick one of the four, the logical answer is Palin because of her executive experience as Governor. They do some of the same tasks, i.e. hire, fire, oversight of large capex projects, develop and manage budgets, etc.

Maybe it was coincidence, but 4 of the last 5 Presidents were ex-Governors. Two were good (Reagan and Clinton), and two were lousy (Carter & Bush).

Now you mention that Palin is unready, ill-tempered and incompetent. Considering what we have in Washington, then she definitely has what it takes. You want incompetent? How about Barney (Rubble) Frank, Christopher Dodd, or anybody on the House Finance and Senate Banking committees? How about Pelosi and Reid for incompetency, and just plain stupidity. You're right, Government isn't business. If it was everyone above would be fired.

If it was everyone above would be fired. "

Yeah. 'Cause all those brilliant hardworking business types have done such a fucking incredible job of managing the capital markets and the auto industry eh?

I guess it'd be cruel to remind you of the S&L fiasco or the .com insanity, huh?

Yeah, Those bidness leaders are sure enough on the ball.

Seriously guys. When was the last time government fucked up anything as badly as the credit markets are fucked up now?

What's that? Oh, the invasion of Iraq? Well, you have a point there. That's pretty fucked up.

Re auto companies - I agree, let them fail. I buy the best product/service from the best company, and if it's a foreign company, so be it.

Re capital markets - I agree, there were as guilty and greedy as hell in this housing crisis. But don't you think it would be fair to understand the history of how we got here including the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977? How about the influence of Acorn in pressuring banks to allocate a certain percentage of their loans to those with less than acceptable credit? How about the use of Fannie and Freddie to assume and bundle these mortgages into investments. Remember these were GSE's and had government oversight.

Re .com insanity - welcome to capitalism. A lot of venture capital money went to numerous companies in order to develop new products and services. Guess what? In capitalism, failure is an option. Think about that as you type your messages on your PC and use a Microsoft Operating System, Google information, use your Blackberry or IPhone, or order stuff from Amazon. These companies were created with funds from venture capital firms. Some succeed, but most fail. Again, welcome to capitalism where there are winners and losers.

Yeah. That's exactly what I said. Nationalize everything.

Can't you right wing morons read? Do you even begin to understand the English language?

Saying the .com bubble was just regular old capitalism is about as dumbass as it gets. Cooking books and cheating investors is not capitalism is it? Read a little Adam Smith some time.

You right wing apologists always trot out the same shit to excuse the people at the top who either steal from everyone or fuck up so badly it's like they are retarded. Here's your apology for all of that. "Some people got rich so it's OK. If some people got rich, then everyone could have gotten rich".

I would go through the list of logical fallacies in your response but somehow I fear it would be wasted.

I was asked to go moose hunting, so now I have a reason to live...

management medication? I bet you looked at your 3rd quarter 401K statement and fainted. Of course that assumes you have a 401K, or any savings for that matter.

You are just like any other paranoid liberal. If someone doesn't buy into 100% of your social, economic and foreign beliefs, then they must be a right wing morons.

Most liberals don't buy into Adam Smith's philosophy. You need to re-read Wealth of Nations.

Re .com bubble - you have no fucking clue how capital formation works. Do a little homework on how VC's work, i.e. Kleiner Perkins, Sequoia Capital, etc.

Believe it or not we are now in a energy .com type of scenario. There are dozens of new companies being created due to the push around alternative and renewable energy resources. Like many of the .com companies, they have their business plans, VC investment, but little to no revenue. Some will be very successful. Most will fail.

Now get back to your job at the post office.

Most libbies consider being called a socialist an insult. Wormwood wears it like a badge of honor.

Just like Moosie, Wormwood considers moderates right wing nut jobs, and I'm scared to think of what he thinks about actual right wingers like Geezer.

I do consider being called a socialist an insult. My real political beliefs are father to the left than that.

But, unlike the fundamentalist right wingers here, I don't think everyone has to share my beliefs. That's what politics is for: to enable people with divergent beliefs to come to some rational conclusions about how the largest number of people can get the greatest amount of what they want.

My beliefs inform what I want from the political process and I enjoy the process of sitting down with rational people who have different beliefs and coming to some middle ground about policy- both in casual discussion and in literal ways.

I consider you a moderate rather than a right wing nut job, although your insistence on believing that the market is free and reflects rational thought is naive. Geezer would be happily rounding up Jews for the concentration camps if he had been born in Germany in the early part of the century. He and a few others are the poster children for the official Right Wing Nut Job club. Those people haven't had an original idea in their lives and do nothing but spout their fundamentalist right wing superstitions.

Now, if you and I were trying to reach agreement on how to divvy up the pie, we could work together easily. After all, there are far more important pursuits to get bogged down in than that!

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The Right Wing Nut Job club has no, and I mean no, affiliation with the RWSA.

I agree completely.

and if it's "pussy pie" that we are dividing up, that would be easy. Lot's for all of us. lol

I think the fact that you didn't know she was on FOX konda PROVES you're actually a sarcastic alias.

Dude you are sooo perceptive  .....