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“They’ve Lost Their Fuckin’ Minds” Strategist Says Re WH Statement On Manchin
cks175 52 Reviews 836 reads
posted
1 / 22

24 hours after Manchin dropped his bombshell on Fox News Sunday and the recrimination stories are already being published.

But while much of the party’s frustration was aimed at Manchin, some Democrats on Capitol Hill voiced outrage with the White House for bungling the Build Back Better negotiations
This is an indictment of the senior leadership in the White House. The worst part is nobody will be held accountable for this. They don't understand the American people want results; they don't want drama and rhetoric,” the House Democrat said in a lengthy rant over the phone. “Everyone has been left high and dry. I can see everyone [vulnerable Democrats] fleeing for the hills at this point,” abandoning Biden and running their own races.

“It started with Afghanistan. Nobody was held accountable for the chaos that the Afghanistan withdrawal constituted. It allowed everyone to get a pass. It sent the message that the president will stick by you so do whatever you want,” the lawmaker continued.

“I do think [Biden] needs to clean house if we have any chance of salvaging 2022. There have to be consequences,” the source added.

A top aide to former Majority Leader Sen Harry Reid commented,
Jim Manley, who was a top aide to former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), said the White House was justified in the statement but questioned whether it would damage future talks as Democrats try to push forward with their priorities.  

“Part of me felt that it was entirely reasonable to take the tact they did, but the part of me that’s had to deal with loose cannons within the caucus before recognizes that it’s a good way to drive Manchin even more away from the process,” Manley said.
If the intent of the criticism was to put pressure on Manchin, it seems it’s having the opposite effect.
A day after his stunner, Manchin criticized White House staff, but not Biden specifically, in a local radio interview Monday morning and warned Democrats against trying to back him into a corner.  

“They figured surely to God we can move one person. We surely can badger and beat one person up. Surely we can get enough protesters to make that person uncomfortable enough that they'll just say, 'OK I'll vote for anything,'" Manchin said.

“Well, guess what? I'm from West Virginia. I'm not from where they're from and they can just beat the living crap out of people and think they'll be submissive, period.”

LostSon 43 Reviews 21 reads
posted
2 / 22

The wailing and gnashing of teeth! Can’t wait to see how this train wreck p,as out.

inicky46 61 Reviews 19 reads
posted
3 / 22

But you might want to consider that this issue may not actually be over, so try not to splooge yourselves with joy.

cks175 52 Reviews 27 reads
posted
4 / 22

Re Manchin’s “West Virginians Don’t Let Themselves Get Pushed Around” comment on local WV radio this morning.

Manchin is running circles around the left ***by playing culture and class games***.

It’s beyond parody that the American left is losing class warfare politics to a guy who lives on a yacht and drives a Maserati. But the left makes it easy.

RespectfulRobert 40 reads
posted
5 / 22

But that wont solve the problem. The WH and Democratic leadership screwed this one up from the beginning. Instead of waiting until the end and using a maximum pressure campaign on Manchin,. they should have got him on board at the beginning.  
Manchin was never the type of guy that can get bought off, legally speaking. Anyone that knows him calls him a person of principles. He was never going to support things that AOC and Bernie supported and to think he would have, was just incredibly foolish. He is a republican, albeit a moderate one, who just happens to have a "D" next to his name. This is an error the Carvilles, Begalas, etc would not have made.
I would suggest they start over, with a new team, and get everything they can from Manchin and pass a more scaled down version of BBB. If Progressives will stick with the "Hell no, I wont kiss Manchin's ass" they are only hurting their party for the midterms and screwing over their own constituency by not enacting programs that will help them.  
Manchin isn't saying no to anything and everything, he is saying no to this specific bill.  The solution is obvious; put EVERYTHING in the bill that Manchin will support and pass the damn thing in January. Americans have had a very tough year. More infighting, sniping and name calling will just further the view to so many that Democrats cant govern and dont care about the middle class. Is that really the impression we want to give the country in an election year?

cks175 52 Reviews 23 reads
posted
6 / 22

This is an error the Carvilles, Begalas, etc would not have made.  
I would suggest they start over, with a new team, and get everything they can from Manchin and pass a more scaled down version of BBB.
Your line of thinking lines up with the Dem Congressman quoted in the article cited above.
“I do think [Biden] needs to clean house if we have any chance of salvaging 2022. There have to be consequences,” the source added.
That would be contrary to Schumer’s recently stated plan to put the current BBB plan up for a floor vote.  That would only be productive (for the Democrats) if he followed up with legislation that can actually pass the Senate.

RespectfulRobert 45 reads
posted
7 / 22

They are going to want to embarrass him, and the Republicans, by forcing a vote. I don't believe, in this case, it is good politics although it might make some people feel good to do so. Every damn Republican will then point to Manchin for cover. "You see, this bill is SO bad that even DEMOCRAT Joe Manchin wont vote for it!!!!"  
But this humiliation is what the Progressives are going to demand. Leadership will have to play along, especially if they want the scaled down version of BBB to eventually pass, for it must imho, for us to have a shot at the midterms.  
On the other hand, the Progressives feel like they have bent over backwards to appease Manchin. They started off with a $6T bill, lowered it to 3.5T, then 2, then...well you get the idea. My concern is the they will feel so burnt, so scorned, they will not under any circumstances back a Manchin BBB bill. This is where the new team I speak of comes in to play and sorts this all out. The current group in the WH and leadership is incapable, imo.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 22 reads
posted
8 / 22

do not support BBB.  It's a loser, time to abandon it and take up the items that have merit individually.  They may get some Bipartisan support that way.  There are a few good items that have merit, and these could be easily passed WITHOUT the social and climate bullshit dragging them down.  

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 29 reads
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10 / 22
inicky46 61 Reviews 36 reads
posted
11 / 22

So, yes, they could have come right out of his ass. So much does.

inicky46 61 Reviews 18 reads
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12 / 22
inicky46 61 Reviews 33 reads
posted
13 / 22

When I said it wasn't over.
1) Biden and Manchin had a cordial phone chat yesterday and agreed to keep working on a deal after New Years.
2) The biggest coal mining union, which has been a major Manchin supporter, expressed distress at the seeming death of the BBB bill because -- wait for it -- the bill contained a lot of good things for coal miners.
Gawd, it's boring to always be right...

cks175 52 Reviews 17 reads
posted
14 / 22

• 76% of voters in battleground districts say they are more likely to oppose BBB knowing that it imposes a natural gas tax that will “increase home heating costs, electricity rates, and raise gas prices.”
• 77% of voters in battleground districts are less likely to vote for a Democrat who “votes to give an eighty- thousand-dollar tax break to wealthy homeowners in New York, New Jersey, and California, a move that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars, and overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy, not the middle class.”
• 76% of voters in battleground districts oppose the package’s proposal “giving $3,600 a year to illegal immigrants for every child they bring into America or give birth to after arriving.”
• 71% of voters in battleground districts are less likely to vote for a Democrat who votes “to increase IRS audits of taxpayers, by hiring 87,000 new agents to look through the bank accounts of every American earning or spending more than $600 per year in order to make sure they are paying enough taxes, disproportionally affecting small business owners.”

cks175 52 Reviews 16 reads
posted
15 / 22

For those who didn’t follow the link, this is an NRCC internal poll taken in battleground states.  This type of polling hoped to shape Republican messaging used in the most competitive House races.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 23 reads
posted
16 / 22

Without a source I find this VERY hard to believe, especially coming form you....Hey but check this out, you and you buddies.
It shows an overwhelming support for the BBB.

KCMOSHYGUY 11 Reviews 15 reads
posted
17 / 22

Do you have an affinity for the Mac Davis song from 1980 "It's Hard to Be Humble?"  I always think of the song when you reference saying "It's hard to be humble when I'm right all the time," although in the song, the line is, "Oh, Lord, it's hard to be humble...when you're perfect in every way."  It's a hilarious song; just missed making the top 40 in 1980.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 20 reads
posted
18 / 22

Seems with all the news being covered with this Manchin Vs BBB...It seems like more people are learning what's really in it and the news media is now doing the messaging that the Dems failed to do. There's an uptick in people looking into what's this bill is actually about, in other words what's with all the fuss. And now they're beginning to see what's in it and more and more are liking it.
Look at the coal miners concerns with Manchin on this, they want him to rethink this and it's only the second day...
Give it time.....If not now, then when the Dem retake the house and solidify their position in the Senate...There's good messaging here.

KCMOSHYGUY 11 Reviews 16 reads
posted
19 / 22

I like most of Mac Davis' songs.  He wrote Elvis Presley's 1969 hit "In the Ghetto."  If I had to pick my favorite of Mac's, it would probably be "One Hell of a Woman."

inicky46 61 Reviews 26 reads
posted
20 / 22

Let the record show he still hasn't defended his own post.
Probably because he actually DID just pull it out of his ass.  
As usual.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 15 reads
posted
22 / 22

He seems cool with most of the 1.7T deal, the tax increases, some of the climate provision, and health care provision.
But it’s the child care tax thing that bugs him.
He thinks the meh and opioid hoes will use it for their addiction…but something will eventually get done.

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