Dear Mr. #6,
If you are believing the crap you supplied in the attached link, you must seek immediate and competent help.
To finish the author's piece on the New World Order (the Freemasons, Illuminati, Trilateral Commision or whatever the conspiracy in your pain filled mind is) one must realize that the AntiChrist is behind it all anyhow. You see, this is how they will manipulate the world's population and force the marking of the beast on the right hand of every man, woman and child. At that point, we will enter the 666 years (the Apocolypse) of Godless society in which re-education, engineered breeding and mass euthenaisa will finally allow the "State" religion to become faith required to properly enslave mankind. The state will become one with humanity and vice-versa. When God no longer exists in the hearts of men, Lucifer wins and gets earth and the 6 families of the Sacred Council will reign forever on the backs of our labor.
So you must remain vigilant, #6. You never know when those International police will come sneaking into your bedroom wearing blue berets attempting to inject their drugs into your brain to make you believe the sun is shining and your are enjoying life when you will really be hacking earth 1,000 feet below the surface for the diamonds for George Bush's crown.
Also, you need to go to the library and get Nostrodomeus's
Quatrains because the plan is all layed out for the world to see.
Apologies to the others that read this, been drinkin' beer again. I think I'll call it a night and get my redneck ass out in the moonlight w/my double-barrel and see if I can pick off one of them four horsemen circling my house throwing frogs on my roof. Crap, now I have a headache..............
Besides innuendos and comparisons, what's the factual flaw you find on that website, Snafu?
The idea that we're approaching, or have reached peak oil production is confirmed in several reputable sources that I've read and heard before. I haven't thought, or imagined, the consequences of this immediately, nor of what an interruption of oil, for just several weeks could do to this economy. That oil companies have lied about reserves is completely believable.
At least with a UFO site or an antisemitic site or a freemason conspiracy site, I could at least find immediate flaws in the picture of it. I don't find that here-- he doesn't point to a conspiracy, really, and the sources he refers to are reputable.
So I just hope he's as wrong as possible, and I'll resist my usual pessimistic impulse. But he's right that the consumption of oil today is unsustainable and there is no replacement to it. He's right that the level of debt everywhere in this country is unsustainable, and quotes Paul Volker as saying that it's scary.
And I don't know enough about the guy really, to see if he always writes in this way, but I get the impression that he doesn't.
I haven't yet taken the time to look at other writings of the author or much of what THE WILDERNESS has to offer, but my gut feeling from the article is that the source is a conspiracy whacko. The end, according to the author and/or his sources is 2007 or 2008. That means in the next 540-900 days, the faucet will shut off, we will have world-wide panic & mayhem, world economic collapse and regional military groups ready to fight to the death for the last remaining barrels of oil above ground. Does this sound right to you? If this is to be true, are you not wasting your time here when you should be out hoarding food and buying bullets?
I have not checked his sources nor have I began researching the oil industry to counter his points. I believe that I have heard/read though that Middle East oil may only last another 50-60 years at current consumption, I believe I have also seen numerous sources that have argued oil reserves in Canada, Mexico and Eastern Europe have virtually just been tapped into. The author made no mention that I saw of the fact that oil production in the USA for years has been stagnate because of the actual affordability of Mid-East Oil. Its been a decade since I was travelling through Oklahoma and was shocked by the delapidated local economies of the area because the oil wells were sitting quiet. I know that the Williston Basin of North Dakota and Montana has been pumping minimal at best with very little activity to keep popping holes in the last twenty years because American oil simply isn't worth pulling out of the ground when prices are below $28-30/barrel. I don't know of the activity over the last 18 months in that area. Other than hunting land, there has been little appreciation of real estate in that part of the country over the last couple years so I can only assume that nobody is making mad dashes to grab lease rights for the last remaining barrels of oil on earth.
I had my doubts while reading the article, but when he dropped into the new world order mantra, he lost all credibility in my mind. Really, Zin, he should have lost your confidence also, because without God and the Devil, the whole New World Order conspiracy goes out window. The author himself states that he is dissapearing for two months to restructure his business to adapt for the moment that he wakes and find that the collapse has been "triggered". Is he searching for ham radios to enable communication during armegeddon? building his fortress to hold of the masses of starving people? reclassifying his corporate structure from sole proprietor to LLC or Sub-S Corp to take advantage of soaring profits of his end-of-the-world publications and dehydrated food products?
When I look at what has been developed at current prices for oil, and some of the pipelines financed through very unstable areas, I'm not impressed with the argument that we have plenty of oil here in the US. Even if some fields have been closed, I don't think there is still a plentiful supply, either, compared with consumption.
An example, the proposed Anwar drilling, with all of it's political trouble, is an enigma compared with the amount we're supposed get out of it. It's a tiny drop. I believe less than one percent of total world demand. I can't believe that's considered more economically viable than the oilfields you describe in Oklahoma.
I'll just say, we're not being given truthful information about oil, by the companies, or by the government led by two oilmen. I don't know how deep the lies go or why.
You'll have to check with Tikal about the UFOs. I don't have much for experience in the oil biz other than a little vague knowledge regarding oil leases in agricultural areas of the plains states. Have you happened to review the other links that I supplied from the same source???
Rapture? New order? Free Masons? Oil Wars? etc., maybe. But if you want to dwell on the end of mankind, why not focus on the potential scarcity of fresh water or disease?
The way I see it, if I die a premature death in all probability it's because I've choked on a piece of meat (no straightline intended) or fucked-up on the road.
If you want to dwell on death, contact your local infectious disease specialist and ask what's up this week: flesh eating bacteria, avian flu, whatever. Meningitis is always fun.
In short, oil? Take the bus, carpool, tear down your neighbor's tree house and burn it for heat. Fuel is the least of our worries. So your lawn doesn't get cut. Screw the homeowners association.
Where was I going with this? Oh yeah, RIGHT ON! MARCH MADNESS!!
-- Modified on 3/16/2005 11:41:21 PM
Without it, the food we eat can't be grown, processed or shipped. Production and distribution will probably plummet 70-80 percent.
The water we drink can't be pumped into our houses.
Yes, even antibiotics owe their manufacture and distribution to oil. Much less the anticeptic that protects you from that flesh eating bacteria.
If oil does run out, quicker than we can adapt, the die off of humankind will be immense-- worse than any plague in history.
-- Modified on 3/15/2005 4:57:56 AM
It's not an article at all. It's a short introduction, three paragraphs, followed by a PDF of a declassified Pentagon memo. The declassified memo says it all-- unless you contend that it's a forgery? It could be, but my reflex is to doubt it. It's a matter of record that there were some very bizarre plans to get rid of Castro in the works, and about this, there is no doubt. No paranoid consiracy theory is needed to find them.
I wouldn't compare it to say, the Roswell UFO Incident, where all the best information is inferred, because it's so well hid, it has disappeared. (Disappeared because it was never there!)
Or say, the Kennedy Assassination Conspiracies, where imaginations were allowed to run wild for years around a lack of any information, and doubts about the official story. (Truth is, there is no reason Oswald couldn't have done that alone, and every reason to think he had the motive.)
This guy worked for both Carter *and* Reagan. He's very well credentialed, his credibility is very high, with both political parties. He's probably third as an expert on geopolitics to Wolfowitz and Kissinger.
I'll admit one line made me laugh: "... the key to controlling central Asian republics is Uzbekistan." (!?) Yeah, of course, everyone knows... I always knew that, too...
...but then that's supported by what Brzezinski is quoted to say later:
"Uzbekistan, nationally the most vital and the most populous of the central Asian states, represents the major obstacle to any renewed Russian control over the region. Its independence is critical to the survival of the other Central Asian states, and it is the least vulnerable to Russian pressures."
Good argument, but a bad and abrupt way to present it.
With all the quotes, this article is about 1/2-written by Brzezinski.
Ruppert's use of the term "New World Order," for the evolution of geopolitics now, maybe hurts his credibility with you Snaf, but assuming that he cites his sources accurately, he supports his arguments well, and you really shouldn't dismiss him at all. If not "New World Order" there needs to be a term for the evolution we're seeing now, where, I'm afraid, yes, commercial interests are superseding national interests. This is effecting everything. It definitely does effect the behavior of your oilman/politicians, the news you see, and the information that you get.
However, I will also say that a well supported argument is still not necessarily a true one. I say don't dismiss Ruppert's warnings, but you don't have to share his pessimism. There's a lot he's inferring and not seeing.
Frankly, I have a problem taking snafu's comments seriously, since they are more interested in discrediting me than they are addressing the issue.
I find Ruppert interesting reading, although, I too, think he thinks a little too darkly, but then again, he's in the bookselling biz as well.
Many times throughout history, the truly bad and evil have tried to seek dominion over the pure and good. While they have succeeded at times for a while (see Revelations), they have been every time repulsed by the forces of good. I have no doubt this will happen again, because as far as the oilmen go, it's probably their last chance. Unfortunately, this one will be messier than most, which is likely the source of Ruppert's pessimism.
All of this bullshit, about Osama, about 9/11, about Saddam and his WMDs (and while I'm here, why was Clinton so anxious to pardon Noriega?) has been about following Zbig and his Grand Chessboard in controlling the oil.
Again to my mind, W/Cheney has been, far and away, the most criminal, corrupt and incompetent Adminsitration in our Nation's history. You won't hear that from O'Reilly and Hannity, however.