...like how to spell "anti-Semitic" and how to spell a Jewish name like "Pollak." "Pollak" is a Jewish surname; "Pollack" - not so much. Not many Jews on your dad and brother's respective police forces, are there? I'll say it again - come back when you know something about Jews.
Come back when you learn what signing a court declaration means and the penalty for lying under oath. Come back when you know the difference between a black man "calling another black man the N word and an article disseminated throughout the world via the internet. Obviously, you haven't looked up the word "kapo" yet. Epic ignorance, dude. Truly epic.Says there is no evidence he is an anti-Semite.
Lib meltdown in 5, 4, 3, ......
I'm not a complete Dershowitz fan but he's got a good mind and his analysis here is worth considering. I don't like Bannon but I've been waiting for someone to prove these anti-Semitic charges and am still waiting. That said, I do think he's extreme and divisive. But Trump has a right to pick his advisors, just as we have a right to criticize them.
And if anyone thinks Trump will dump the guy because he's catching heat for it, dream on.
And the reason they give is that he is an anti-Semite.
As Dershowitz said, maybe he is, but there isn't any evidence as yet. He is def a guy on the fringe though but if it is proven that he is a bigot, Trump would have to dump him.
Your reasonableness is starting to get on my nerves and hurting my point of unhinged libs gone mad. lol
Please act less rational in the future. Thats more fun. 
Second of all, while anti-Semitism may be the main reason Libs are going after Bannon, it's not the only reason. You really should know that.
But suggesting he is a racist or anti-Semite without proof is slander and hateful.
Of course that didn't stop Harry Reid from calling Bannon the "champion of white supremacy" along with a reference to the KKK. Swell...
And in case you are wondering, yes Jake, the very same Harry Reid that said Obama was electable bc he was "light skinned who spoke with no negro dialect."
Good lawd!
who they excoriate the most. In this case Bannon. I don't know much about him but I do know there's been zero evidence of his being anti-semitic. With the Jews in Trumps family does one really think he'd hire an anti-Semite? Seriously?
I agree it's hard to make the case that Trump's an anti-Semite when his son-in-law and major advisor is an Orthodox Jew, his daughter is a convert and his new grandson is Jewish. Also, the real estate business in New York has a lot of Jews in it so it would have been hard for Trump to succeed if he was known as an anti-Semite.
That said, what's troubling is that, despite all the above, Trump's intemperate words during the campaign have helped give freer rein to racists of all stripes. He needs to own that and to tone it down. He has a right to pick Bannon but he also needs to deal in a positive way with the outrage it has caused.
its an absolute outrage. While I generally agree with you on this, I still don't see all this "free rein given to racists of all stripe." Are their idiots sure? Show me the Jewish cemeteries being vandalized. Show me the Synagogues being torched. I don't see it. What I see are a bunch of professional agitators running rampant destroying personal property and disrupting communities at will with absolutely no criticism of it by the media. Yet Trump is to blame for all this invisible anti-Semitism? Don't buy it.
The media is scared shitless of Bannon. They're putting that out there in public daily. Its embarrassing. But not surprising.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has counted more than 200 complaints of hate crimes since Election Day. "Since the election, we’ve seen a big uptick in incidents of vandalism, threats, intimidation spurred by the rhetoric surrounding Mr. Trump’s election," said Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Swastikas were drawn on several doors in a residence hall at the New School in New York City on Saturday. Three Jewish women live in the suite where one of the swastikas was drawn.
A residence hall at SUNY Geneseo was also vandalized with a swastika and the word “Trump.”
Anti-Semitic graffiti—including a swastika and the words “Heil Trump”—appeared at a bus stop at the University of California at San Diego.
http://time.com/4569129/racist-anti-semitic-incidents-donald-trump/
Citing them does not help your point whatsoever.
That said, there are numerous incidents, against BOTH Trump supporters AND Trump protestors.
And you have no clue who is drawing the swastikas. It could very well come from the Left to try and frame and defame Trump. Please don't tell me that kinda shit doesn't happen, on both sides.
When you factor in BLM, OWS and now these rioters/protestors, they FAR outweigh any damage the Trump supporters have caused and have been MUCH more violent.
They're partisan crackpot hacks. But you already knew that. And as stated prior show us the evidence that Trump followers did these alleged acts. There is none. Of coups lefty losers would never ever do stuff like this right? SPLC? LOL.
Wow
You did. Of course there's all types of anti-Semitic behavior and I listed several. It was an analogy to the Nazis. Which of course is what Trump and his followers are. Right? November 1938. Look it up.
YOU are the one who picked the examples, not me. Surely you can do better than your bogus response.
No one is near as smart as you Jake. I learned that long ago. I won't get into another absurdly long "back and forth" with you as you always desire. I'll leave that for FG upon his return.
Unlike last Tues you won this "debate" as always. Congrats. Have a great humpday!
Then you quibbled about the adjective I used to describe them but fail completely to engage on my point, which was your examples are extreme and have not happened. And then you say you don't wish to discuss it any more. So, yes, of course I won the "debate," which is not much of an accomplishment under the circumstances.
Poor Grumpy.
I sure do hope FG is back soon to keep you occupied. I miss him too.
Just don't accuse others of the same thing.
I've never heard of incidents targeting Jews that came from that particular...what are they? Not an organization really, except that right now they're probably starting up at least one. Let's say by that label. It seems Blacks and Hispanics, primarily Mexicans, are the main targets. Immigrants from any non-European country are their most vocal concern.
One thing I see happening as a result of the alt right that I just became aware of last night is that a care of how certain words are used is becoming commonly more fashionable. I was in a group of people who consciously were very correct when using the words "immigrants" and "migrates." I attribute that to the recent alt right visibility.
I haven't paid them much attention myself. In fact when hearing the term I thought the word would be spelt "ult-right" rooted in "ultimate" no "alternative." Makes sense, of course, as one's ideology could skid very, very far right without becoming mired in White Nationalism. So this particular way of thinking and believing seems to tangent off the left-right spectrum and include something usually not applicable to left-right appraisal.
Still don't know what I think of Bannon and all the symbols he puts out along with his snarky remarks. Probably he just goes wherever the work is. Pay him to attack little puppies, he'll attack them. Or pay him to champion little puppies, he'll do that. Maybe he doesn't really have any deep seated political beliefs.
...accept that old saying: "Where there's smoke, there's fire." But just because there's no hard evidence, it doesn't mean that there's no "fire." In your link, Dershowitz himself said: "“Look, I don’t know whether he’s an Anti-Semite or not.”
Maybe Dershowitz should ask Bannon's ex-wife. She said, UNDER OATH in a court declaration that "he did not want their daughter to attend a Los Angeles school because of the numbers of Jews who went to school there.” She also said that Bannon “went on to say the biggest problem he had with Archer School is the number of Jews that attend. He said that he doesn’t like Jews and that he doesn’t like the way they raise their kids to be ‘whiny brats’ and that he didn’t want the girls going to school with Jews.”
When Bannon and his now ex-wife were visiting private schools, he asked the director why there were so many Hanukkah books in the library.
The Forward examined whether Bannon peddled anti-Semitism. Bannon's Breitbart called Bill Kristol a "Renegade Jew." Michelle Goldberg was quoted as saying: "To define someone as a ‘Renegade Jew’ in a column about scheming elites written for an audience full of white nationalists is to signal to the sewers."
http://forward.com/news/348040/does-breitbart-news-peddle-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories/
Citing the fact that Jews work for Breitbart is pure, unadulterated bullshit. Look up the word "kapo" in the dictionary. Joel Pollak had a close friend, Ben Shapiro, a fellow Orthodox Jew who worked with him at Breitbart. When Shapiro quit in protest, Pollak blasted Shapiro in a sarcastic column written under a chickenshit alias. It was subsequently deleted and Pollak apologized with his tail between his legs. But the damage was done - Shapiro was bombarded with anti-Semitic harassment on Twitter, all due to Shapiro's Orthodox Jewish "friend."
Full response by Pollak's cowardly alias:
The fact that JakeFromTheFunnyFarm said your link was "good" is EXACTLY the reason why he is on the funny farm.
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Bannon has denied saying any of that and she would certainly have good reason to lie, as many do in divorce proceedings.
There is ZERO collaborating evidence to side with either so that entire episode was a "he said, she said" but since you know her so well, she must be the truth teller and he the liar, right BPS?
Re: "renegade Jew" that was written by a Jewish author and NOT Bannon. That is no more anti-Semetic than it is racist for one African-American calling another the "N" word.
And it is much more than "Jews" who worked at Breitbart. Breitbart himself was Jewish so why in the world would he have an anti-Semite on staff???
As for Pollack, he worked for Dershowitz and they know each other quite well and Dershowitz trusts him and his opinion on Bannon.
Come back when you have FACTS and not smears and unsubstantiated rumors.
Epic fail dude. Truly epic.
...like how to spell "anti-Semitic" and how to spell a Jewish name like "Pollak." "Pollak" is a Jewish surname; "Pollack" - not so much. Not many Jews on your dad and brother's respective police forces, are there? I'll say it again - come back when you know something about Jews.
Come back when you learn what signing a court declaration means and the penalty for lying under oath.
Come back when you know the difference between a black man "calling another black man the N word and an article disseminated throughout the world via the internet. Obviously, you haven't looked up the word "kapo" yet.
Epic ignorance, dude. Truly epic.
Many Jews volunteer as auxiliary police officers.
That's mighty right wing of them, isn't it?
Steve is the very definition of political scum..
scum is Axelrod, Carville, Brazille, Begala, Jarret, Rev. Wright, Sharpton, Jackson . . . .
scum lost THIS election!
Whether Bannon is or is not anti-Semitic, specifically, is just the starting point for concern. His close association with Breitbart and the alt-right is the broader base of the problem.
The AR, being a rather new manifestation born out of dark regions of the internet, those who claim this movement are still debating amongst themselves the specifics of what, exactly, the AR stands for. Different factions appear to claim different elements from a kind of cafeteria style buffet of extremist ideologies—everything from anti-Semitism to anti-multiculturalism to rabid misogyny/anti-feminism to anti-political correctness, anti-homosexuals…superior white race ideologies…there are the inet trolls, and the conspiracy theorists’, and those who specialize in planting inflammatory mis-information on internet sites (like BB), the meme teams, etc…and so on.
Some choose all ideologies and tactics…some pick and choose…..Bannon could very easily be AR without being anti-Semitic. But ALL of these AR wing-nuts are rallied around curtailed immigration + mass deportation, and are ideologically opposed to any kind of multi-culturalism---they a want hegemonic society.
Now, some of the Alt-right mouth-pieces say they don’t consider Bannon a full-on AR guy; he’s not extreme enough for them. They call him more of a civic nationalist than a white nationalist. But right about now would be a really good time for Bannon apologists to wake the fuck up. Even a hint of association with the Alt-right ---regardless of what flavor of “nationalist” he is---should preclude Bannon from being anywhere near a high level position in the Whitehouse. Given his close association with Breitbart, which is basically propaganda machine for the AR, it’s alarming that this is even a discussion.
Long read attached. And, if this doesn’t make it clear why so many people are justifiably fucking alarmed about Bannon (and trump, for that matter), take a wander over to the daily storm website and look for the Alt right guide written by the sites owner. If you dare---beware---it’s a cesspool in there.
http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/alt-right/
Lib meltdown in 5, 4, 3, ......
So far the only named name is Bannon.
Who are these people the left believe are going to terrorize America?
Did you see the Anti-American lefties in Greece?
They don't even want Obama in their country.
just another name made up by libs to demonize those who disagree with them
keep up with the name calling ass-holes and we'll tighten our grip on power
Greek lefties aren't alone, no one wants Obama anymore - he is suddenly irrelevant with no one left to hear his incessant lectures
his "legacy" will be a few schools and streets named after him - all in minority communities who will never understand how badly he fucked them.
They will never know that attacking and blaming whitey for 8 years not only didn't help them but made shit worse
I will judge Bannon on his action and his words, not what some crazed far left liberals think of him all butt hurt off an embarrassing election loss.
And where you so concerned about Obama having Reverend Wracist as his spiritual advisor and Al Sharpton his racist, racial advisor?
If so, them my apologies.
If not, why the fuck not?
Contrary to your assumption, in an effort to give Bannon the benefit of the doubt I actually did a significant amount of fact checking into Bannon. I was truly hoping that these allegations of anti-Semitism were untrue. Unfortunately the picture that has emerged, for me, is much more nauseating than just potential anti-Semitism.
Did you even bother to read the article I linked? If you did and you still don’t get it, perhaps an explanation of who the alt right is---directly from part of the alt-right will get your attention. Google “A Normie’s Guide to the Alt-Right”. It’s quite illuminating.
Or, take a look at 4chan or bchan---if you even know what those are. That’s pretty educational as well.
Trump has appointed, as his chief strategist, a man with unequivocally clear ties to the alt-right---again, saying himself that Breitbart is “the platform for the alt-right”. This connection is undeniable. And there is certainly plenty of smoke around the anti-Semitism allegation. His public misogyny speaks for itself.
So…as a thinking person, *given his words and his actions*, I can either conclude that cannon does indeed sympathize with the alt right---and lets not be too PC and sugar-coat that----white nationalist/neo nazis, OR I have to assume he has simply allowed and encouraged their chilling rhetoric to bloom unchecked on his news outlet to get the “clicks”.
I’m repulsed by either of these possibilities in the context of his presidential appointment.
And before we get off down some silly tangent, no, I was not particularly crazy about Obama and Sharpton. But Obama didn’t appoint the guy as his chief strategist. Had Obama actually done something so puzzlingly incendiary, I would have called him out too.
And where you so concerned about Obama having Reverend Wracist as his spiritual advisor and Al Sharpton his racist, racial advisor?
If so, them my apologies.
If not, why the fuck not?
Or the haters at the HuffyPoo? He has had people that have worked for him, now working for Bannon and they tell Dershowitz he is a great guy and not the person libs, who have an invested interest in, have smeared.
And why is it silly to point out blatant liberal hypocrisy? The Left DEFENDED Obama with his racist, anti-Semitic, spiritual advisor and DEFENDED having a known racist act as his racial advisor.
So Obama clearly has unequivocal ties with anti-Semitism and yet you brush that off. No rational person defends Wright or Sharpton in those areas.
At best, Bannon's anti-Semitism is an unknown. So not knowing, and with numerous Jews defending him, and a man in Donald Trump who has Jewish daughter, grand kids and one of his most trusted advisors in Invanka's husband being Jewish, he should get the benefit of the doubt.
I would think anti-Semites wouldn't surround themselves with Jews they place in position of power.
Sorry HP but libs lost the moral ground on this issue 8 years ago when they stood silent and/or defended Obama's bigoted advisors.
In my first post I acknowledged that Bannon can be AR without being anti-Semitic. If you actually read what these AR guys are about, you would see how this could easily be true---as weirdly improbable as is sounds.
In my second post I deliberately said 'potential anti-Semitism' and 'anti-Semitism allegation'.
Wright and/or Sharpton may or may not be Anti-Semitic. But that is not the issue here. And again, while they may have had Obamas ear, neither of those guys was the flipping' chief strategist to the President.
My real issue here is with Bannons connection to BB and alt right. And when there is *every appearance* of the PE walking a white nationalist into the white house, instead of arguing about how the deck chairs need to be arranged, everyone in this country should be asking some probing questions.
If there really is nothing to this, then all that has happened is the American public has done some vetting. If it's true? What then? Should we all just sit back and hope it all works out for the best? C'mon
What does it really mean to be an AR? Who knows? It is a term that may mean one thing to you and something different to me. Something entirely different to Bannon.
E.g. The word "socialist" can have positive or negative meaning/connotation based on who is using it, how they are using it and who they are using it to define. Some may mean it as a European fiscal socialist and some others may use it as a term for the more dreadful and horrific forms of communism.
If you are familiar with BB as I am, I see no connection to white nationalism or anti-Semitism. Never have. That's my personal experience.
I am not telling you, or anybody, they shouldn't have concerns. We all should have concerns over anyone the POTUS chooses to advise them. The unknown scares us all. AR is an unknown and Bannon's connection with them is nebulous.
I have seen good people smeared all too often. For example, Sarah Palin's husband went to an AIM meeting. AIM standing for "Alaska Independence Movement". A succession movement if you are not aware. So he was instantly labeled an anti-American. By all counts he went to ONE meeting and came back and said it wasn't for him. Didn't matter to the lib haters. The smear had taken hold.
What I am saying is that, imo, libs are out over their skies condemning a man they know so little about. Lets give him some time. The policies and language the Trump admin uses will be watched under a microscope, with good reason.
As you may or may not know, I am not a big Trump supporter but he won and should be given the benefit of the doubt until something proves otherwise.
Personally I think this is wild overreaction by the Left but time will tell. Be vigilant, yes, but be fair, as best you can. A leopard will show its spots in time. Give it time.
So maybe we aren't that far off on this as we thought?
Bannons connection to the Alt right movement is not nebulous. The problem is NOT that not much is known about Bannon. The problem is that what is known is alarming.
I'm am neither an alarmist nor a conspiracy theorist. But, I have made a serious effort to seek out what the alt-right is about and how they operate----info that is not particularly easy to find considering the back-waters of the internet these guys operate in (which is deliberate on their part).
And, what is quite clear is that these are not your old-school skin heads. These guys--at least the ones in the forefront of this movement---are smart, well educated, very technically savvy, they're masters of social media manipulation, and they're executing a very calculated plan to wrap a white nationalist ideology into a tastier package that can be absorbed into the mainstream. And, it's working. There are documentable examples of trump helping them---albiet---probably unaware (but, still---not comforting).
As far as your personal experience with BB? I did not see it immediately myself either. But after reading enough of the AR strategy---their ideas are right there on BB. Mostly subtle. Mostly. But occasionally they throw a firebomb in there, or BB will deliberately publish mis-information----which is then immediately pounced upon by those inclined to believe it---white women raped by somali refugees!!!---soros pays protesters 10s of thousands $1500 a week!!! or some other such inflammatory nonsense-----and then twitter and Facebook circulation begins.
Next day, as some begin to question whether it's true, or other media outlets begin to fact-check---the article will disappear. This is a calculated strategy clearly spelled out in AR circles.
Just yesterday BB published an article declaring trumps victory in both the electoral college AND the popular vote----by a wild landslide in both cases (not true). This was accompanied by a map showing the entirety of the US (excepting a couple tiny blue spots on opposite coasts) as ALL Red. Today? Article is still there but modified. This is no accident. And this BS is happening on BB---Bannons news paper.
Hey---I settled down and decided to give T a chance---reluctantly, yes....but it was genuine. And then he appointed Bannon. So until Bannon, or someone in T's admin is willing to come out and say something about this other that the alt right not really what it appears to be?
I hope you're right, Jack
I think the left jumps on their words well before the right.
I don't care if it's the Alt-Right or the Nation of Islam, everyone gets a voice in America.
BTW you seem like the only one who is reading BB
And honestly HP, BB is far from the first publication to print false info. Remember Dan Rather's hatchet job on Bush? Or NY Times complete fabrication about McCain cheating on his wife?
At least the Times own ombudsman called the Times out on it and said they never should have printed the article. On the front page, above the fold mind you. Ahem. I am STILL awaiting Rather's admission of his slanderous report.
So you'll excuse me if I don't get all gooey eyed about what I would call a mistake, and what you refer to as "mis-information" re: BB's reporting. I guess it depends on your perspective though.
Again, Bannon has a tons of eyes on him. If he is what you say, he will expose himself in due time. I just don't know enough about him to come to the conclusions you have nor does he not get my benefit of the doubt. FOR NOW, at least. You are still not sure that Wright and Sharpton are racists so you are a bit suspect on this subject. lol
Lastly, it is actually nice to see a woman with political knowledge posting on the P&R.
I hope it continues.
Hey...all I know is what I read on the internet....lol..
Listen I understand that Bannon being close to the President is the issue.
Another issue is the Alt Right, and hate groups.
Why is it that hate groups get singled out, yet there are factions of organized criminals, and independent general lunatics destroying the urban American landscape