I can't imagine anyone but a genius code writer being so out of touch with reality.
OH!!Wait!! I woke up. I can think of lots of people who believe insane pappekak,they hear from a source with no credit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8034987/Israeli-cyber-unit-responsible-for-Iran-computer-worm-claim.html
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/12/abortion
-- Modified on 10/4/2010 9:08:24 AM
I have been in Frankfurt, Germany only for 10 days now. There is plenty of sexual openness and freedom I had never seen before. Like the FKK clubs, it is something out of the ordinary. I had my first one on one with a tall German blonde and her pussy was natural, bush and blonde hair. I did not try DATY but the tingling during missionary was very sensual.
Compare this to USA. The country sucks. I only hold out gloom for the hobbyists if the nuts in GOP and that new maniacs called the Tea Party take power. They will not only shut down all nude bars but also make everything illegal and immoral, including masturbation!
Good Luck to folks back home.
Those countries with the most "sexual freedom and openness" are those with the lowest rates of sub-replacement childbirth.
Because our social systems in the Western world are based on Ponzi schemes and depend upon increasing population to avoid financial collapse; those nations that cannot muster at least replacement level childbirth from their native populations are constrained to import replacement populations so that the aging "sexually free" people have someone to pay their bills and empty their bedpans.
(Note: it is possible to set up social safety nets without such dependencies; and working with an economy that does not need infinite expansion. But it would require questioning fundamental premises that are of too much use to people empowered by the status quo.)
Those new populations often bring new social mores and substantial cultural change. Just google "sharia law" and "germany" to see what's coming.
Not that I care much. All cultures are identically valid ... right? If I were to state that the cultures soon to be displaced by Sharia law were in any way preferable, that would be very racist and bigoted of me. Clearly, the people of Germany have chosen to "eat drink and be merry" while leaving no offspring to burden them; so that their culture and people will be properly displaced by other cultures and people. Who am I to argue with such a decision?
One should carefully consider that the reasons for previously existing social mores might not simply have been the satisfaction of mean people who wanted to keep everyone from having fun. Social mores that stayed with us for hundreds if not thousands of years were developed as part of a cultural feedback loop in order to support that culture's wellbeing. Replacing them willy-nilly can have unintended consequences. Notice I said "unintended" not "unfavorable." Most certainly, ladies in Germany 50 years from now will fully appreciate the inner wisdom of why they get stoned as a penalty for being raped.
Any culture can withstand some subset of its population choosing not to be held by prevailing social norms. For example, we have a long-established social norm against murder; yet the amount of murder that goes on doesn't threaten our viability as a culture because we have instituted methods of controlling it. But what if we failed to enforce such controls? How long would our culture stand before degenerating back into primordial ooze?
Our culture can also withstand a certain amount of "sexual freedom and openness" so long as it remains relatively fringe and rare. Once it becomes widespread; we too will join Italy and Germany among the ranks of nations importing replacement populations and switching our culture.
Oh, wait -- it's already happening.
It's kind of like abortion. As long as it is safe, legal and RARE it is not an issue. But what if 95% of all fetuses were aborted? It would be self-genocide. These departures from social norms can be tolerated to a degree without substantive damage; but when they go too far it can result in social destruction at a macroscopic scale.
I want you to notice a pattern. Widespread sexual libertinism creates an environment in which cultures with far stricter views of gender roles and far more restrictive views of sexual freedom will displace the original culture. That's because cultures with a sense of shared destiny tend to be stronger in many ways than those enmeshed in hedonism.
Individual liberty, incidentally, is not the same thing as hedonism. Cultures based on individual liberty are stronger than those with totalitarian tendencies. For examples, read Carnage and Culture.
It's all very interesting to watch.
And, like I said, I am not being critical of other cultures. The fact that I don't understand or appreciate the inner wisdom of female circumcision and would never allow it on my own offspring doesn't mean it might not be superior to my own narrow-minded views.
Several years ago, I saw an article about the fact that Europe was headed to cultural suicide. The article focused on the fact that cities like Berlin were importing many Moslems who were rather hostile, to say the least, to sexual freedom and other aspects of European life. Many Moslems were very offended by the public nature of sexuality and the public images of sexuality.
The author interviewed a fifty-year old gay man who loved his life style, although he recognized that it would probably not last. He was just hoping that it could last as long as he was active, and didn't really care after that.
He ended the article by saying that he had enjoyed his freedom so much that he never really bothered to learn how to fight to keep it.
As to the original posters fear of the Tea Party taking over and prohibiting jerking off in the privacy of our own bathroom, talk about paranoid. The social and cultural issues are so far off the Tea Party agenda, they are rarely, if ever, mentioned. The Tea Party and Ilk are more concerned with the expansion of the federal government, the deficit, and taxes. They will have a lot of their primary issues to handle before they get to the "No Jerk Off Act."
Because our social systems in the Western world are based on Ponzi schemes and depend upon increasing population to avoid financial collapse; those nations that cannot muster at least replacement level childbirth from their native populations are constrained to import replacement populations so that the aging "sexually free" people have someone to pay their bills and empty their bedpans.
(Note: it is possible to set up social safety nets without such dependencies; and working with an economy that does not need infinite expansion. But it would require questioning fundamental premises that are of too much use to people empowered by the status quo.)
Those new populations often bring new social mores and substantial cultural change. Just google "sharia law" and "germany" to see what's coming.
Not that I care much. All cultures are identically valid ... right? If I were to state that the cultures soon to be displaced by Sharia law were in any way preferable, that would be very racist and bigoted of me. Clearly, the people of Germany have chosen to "eat drink and be merry" while leaving no offspring to burden them; so that their culture and people will be properly displaced by other cultures and people. Who am I to argue with such a decision?
One should carefully consider that the reasons for previously existing social mores might not simply have been the satisfaction of mean people who wanted to keep everyone from having fun. Social mores that stayed with us for hundreds if not thousands of years were developed as part of a cultural feedback loop in order to support that culture's wellbeing. Replacing them willy-nilly can have unintended consequences. Notice I said "unintended" not "unfavorable." Most certainly, ladies in Germany 50 years from now will fully appreciate the inner wisdom of why they get stoned as a penalty for being raped.
Any culture can withstand some subset of its population choosing not to be held by prevailing social norms. For example, we have a long-established social norm against murder; yet the amount of murder that goes on doesn't threaten our viability as a culture because we have instituted methods of controlling it. But what if we failed to enforce such controls? How long would our culture stand before degenerating back into primordial ooze?
Our culture can also withstand a certain amount of "sexual freedom and openness" so long as it remains relatively fringe and rare. Once it becomes widespread; we too will join Italy and Germany among the ranks of nations importing replacement populations and switching our culture.
Oh, wait -- it's already happening.
It's kind of like abortion. As long as it is safe, legal and RARE it is not an issue. But what if 95% of all fetuses were aborted? It would be self-genocide. These departures from social norms can be tolerated to a degree without substantive damage; but when they go too far it can result in social destruction at a macroscopic scale.
I want you to notice a pattern. Widespread sexual libertinism creates an environment in which cultures with far stricter views of gender roles and far more restrictive views of sexual freedom will displace the original culture. That's because cultures with a sense of shared destiny tend to be stronger in many ways than those enmeshed in hedonism.
Individual liberty, incidentally, is not the same thing as hedonism. Cultures based on individual liberty are stronger than those with totalitarian tendencies. For examples, read Carnage and Culture.
It's all very interesting to watch.
And, like I said, I am not being critical of other cultures. The fact that I don't understand or appreciate the inner wisdom of female circumcision and would never allow it on my own offspring doesn't mean it might not be superior to my own narrow-minded views.
is so far out of touch will reality that debate is impossible.
attention, which means that it has reached some of the goals that its originators had set.
But the main goal of those so-called Tea Partiers is to reduce government spending and address the financial issues of our country. Just because one Tea Party-backed candidate said that she felt masturbation was being unfaithful doesn't mean that the entire GOP and Tea Party followers are going to shut down all nude bars and make masturbation illegal.
But you sound like you might be a good candidate to fill in for Keith Olbermann on MSNBC the next time he goes on vacation. Isn't that how MSNBC found that other irritant -- Rachel M.??
But the main goal of those so-called Tea Partiers is to reduce government spending and address the financial issues of our country. Just because one Tea Party-backed candidate said that she felt masturbation was being unfaithful doesn't mean that the entire GOP and Tea Party followers are going to shut down all nude bars and make masturbation illegal.
But you sound like you might be a good candidate to fill in for Keith Olbermann on MSNBC the next time he goes on vacation. Isn't that how MSNBC found that other irritant -- Rachel M.??
Also Rick Santelli of CNBC is the one who really got the ball rolling
It is so funny that MSNBC is so left and CNBC the opposite http://www.cnbc.com/id/29471026/Rick_Santelli_I_Want_to_Set_the_Record_Straight
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I can't imagine anyone but a genius code writer being so out of touch with reality.
OH!!Wait!! I woke up. I can think of lots of people who believe insane pappekak,they hear from a source with no credit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8034987/Israeli-cyber-unit-responsible-for-Iran-computer-worm-claim.html
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/12/abortion
-- Modified on 10/4/2010 9:08:24 AM
but, WTF does that movement have to do oncoming sexual repression in the U.S ?----Talk about a loopy WW style non-sequitur ! Chandra----ever occur to you that there are tea party hobbyists ?( some on this board )---not a mutually exclusive concept.
& another thing ( which pains me to bring this up ) the crackdown on CL erotic services came when the DEMS controlled the executive & legisative branches !
Lastly, if one followed your sophistry, one could say that since "the final solution" originated in Germany that it has been genetically transmitted to future generations
& we should expect the dreaded arrival of "Holocust2".
One reason why I find this board so entertaining
on a daily level is because of the mind numbing stupidity that greets my eyes every day. The mind fucking boggles.
I guess by this idiot's line of "reasoning" America was a hobbyist's and there was no sexual repression whatsoever until those evil Republicans got into power. What a fucking douche.
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To all those who question my gloomy expectations for US, here is my take. Just go across the border to Canada and escort outcall is legal!. Nude massage parlors where everything happens except FS is legal! This can never happen in US except in Carson City, NV. Wait for the wing nut from Tea Party, Sharon Angle to get elected from NV. She will shut down Carson City, NV.
My other take is, anything a consenting man and woman do in private for money should be legal. They are not killing anyone like those nuts with free guns supported by the GOP & Tea Party sponsored NRA!
...and one last thing. The same GOP & Tea Party maniacs who oppose this on moral grounds are the ones getting caught with their penis in the cookie jar!
I forgot to respond to the guy who said Tea Party is to curb spending. Where were these nuts when the following happened:
1. $1 trillion to invade and occupy Iraq.
2. $4.1 trillion dollars for massive tax cuts to filthy rich.
3. $950 billion for Medicare Prescription drug plan not funded.
4. $860 billion to bail out wall street who brought the financial crisis.
I'm not only a great hobbyist but also keep track of stupidity and hypocrisy in US politics.
Tea Party rallies and their nuts have displayed racism against not only blacks but hispanics. This country has come a long way and don't need another KKK group disguised as Tea Party.
As for spending and deficits, Bush & GOP brought an end to capitalism as we know it through insane deregulation that led Wall Street sinking the country in to its worst depression and recession since 1930.
With capitalism dead, it is only natural that the Federal Government had to help millions who lost their jobs, their health insurance and their future and their families.
The millions American unemployed who got help should thank President Obama for his help. He did not waste tax payer dollars invading another innocent country BUT helped Americans in need.
Anything wrong with this picture?
If Sharon Angle wins, she has no jurisdiction on prostitution in Nevada. That is a state law matter, and as U.S. Senator she has no say on the matter.
In any event, if legalizing prostitution (or criminalizing it) is more important than taxes and deficit, I see your point. But I think your priorities are a little off.
My other take is, anything a consenting man and woman do in private for money should be legal. They are not killing anyone like those nuts with free guns supported by the GOP & Tea Party sponsored NRA!
...and one last thing. The same GOP & Tea Party maniacs who oppose this on moral grounds are the ones getting caught with their penis in the cookie jar!
My other take is, anything a consenting man and woman do in private for money should be legal. They are not killing anyone like those nuts with free guns supported by the GOP & Tea Party sponsored NRA!
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