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Bribrite, can you make a point without issuing thoughtless insults? (eom)
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Well I had to post the failures of conservatism...
Automobile Safety: The auto industry fought for decades to prevent mandatory seat-belts, air-bags and other critical safety features. Why? Because adding such life-saving devices cut into profits.

Auto Mechanics: It's almost a certainty: the final bill will exceed the original estimate. Even worse: mechanics who make unnecessary repairs.

The Battle of the Taxi-Cabs: You want the lowest fare possible, but your cabbie wants the highest. As a result, the shortest distance between two points is often a crooked line.

The Cable Industry: After deregulation in 1984, cable prices soared, quality of programming plummeted, and service providers began selling their channels in indivisible blocs to prevent subscribers from voting with their dollars. From 1986 to 1990, the cost of basic service rose 56 percent -- twice the rate of inflation.

The Corporate Special Interest System: So who's bribing our Congress? In 1992, corporations formed 67 percent of all PACs, and they donated 79 percent of all contributions to political parties. This poses a dilemma to believers in the invisible hand: how do you condemn today's government without condemning the free market that controls it? A better alternative: democracy.

Corporate Welfare: Private enterprise is quite adept at feeding at the public trough, despite its professed antagonism for government. One of the most famous examples is the Wool and Mohair Lobby, which receives $100 million a year for a product the Pentagon no longer needs. Estimates of corporate welfare run from $85 billion to $800 billion a year.

The Cuyahoga River: This Ohio river was so polluted by industrial waste that it caught fire three times. Government stepped in and ordered a $1.5 billion cleanup. Today, the river is clean.

The Drug Industry: According to Dr. George Silver, a professor at the Yale University School of Medicine, about 22 percent of the 6 billion doses of antibiotic medicine each year are overprescribed, resulting in 2,000 to 10,000 unnecessary deaths annually.

The Exploding Ford Pinto: Ford knew for years that it would cost only $11 per Pinto to correct defective gas tanks that exploded upon impact. The company decided it was cheaper to let its customers burn and pay out damages to victims or their families instead. (More)

The Exxon-Valdez Oil Spill: The oil industry has long fought to defeat laws requiring double-hulled oil tankers. And what few oil-spill cleanup measures existed at Prince William Sound were ones that legislators had mandated. These measures failed miserably when the single-hulled Exxon Valdez ran aground and spilled 11 million gallons of oil into Alaska's most scenic waters.

Global Warming: Despite the fact that the National Academy of Sciences is "90 percent sure" that global warming is occurring, the fossil fuel industry is resisting all change. It has even formed the "Global Climate Coalition," a public relations group that attempts to convince the public that global warming is a myth.

Insurance Companies: This industry is famous for battling its own customers in court to avoid paying awards. It has shut out patients with pre-existing conditions, allowing them to die to preserve profits. It has reduced hospital stays for mothers giving birth to 24 hours ("drive-by deliveries") to cut coverage costs.

Jack-in-the-Box: In 1993, E. coli poisoning from undercooked hamburgers killed three Seattle children and sickened hundreds of others. It is estimated that foodborne illness affects anywhere from 6.5 million up to 81 million people a year. About 9,000 die from E. coli and salmonella alone. Yet the food industry has heavily lobbied Congress to deregulate and relax federal food inspection standards.

Love Canal: Between 1942 and 1954, the Hooker Chemical and Plastics Corporation dumped 22,000 tons of 248 assorted chemicals in and around Love Canal. Despite claims to the contrary, Hooker neither adequately disposed of the chemicals nor fully warned property buyers of the risks. After a sharp rise in cancer rates and birth deformities, President Carter declared Love Canal a federal disaster area and over 1,000 households were permanently evacuated from their homes. (More)

McDonald's: For years, London Greenpeace distributed a brochure criticizing McDonald's role in rainforest destruction, labor exploitation, animal abuses, unhealthy food and child manipulation. McDonald's first infiltrated the group with spies, then attempted to censor the protesters by suing them in court for libel. The case became the longest in British libel history when the defendents put up a surprisingly strong defense. The case received international attention and became a major public relations disaster for McDonald's when their own witnesses actually confirmed the brochure's criticisms. (See McSpotlight)

The Media (Part 1): The primary goal of the media is to make money, not educate. Thus, news programs attempt to attract viewers by titillating them with controversy, scandal, sensationalism, sex, violence and demagoguery. The trend towards "punch" journalism has reduced the average sound bite from 42 seconds in 1968 to 8 seconds in 1992.

The Media (Part 2): The media is being increasingly monopolized by corporate owners, and they depend on corporations for their advertising dollars. Not surprisingly, the media is virtually uncritical of corporate America. In 1989, the three major networks devoted only 2.3 percent of the news to worker's issues -- like workplace safety, child care and income disparity -- despite the fact that workers constitute the largest share of their audience.

The Minimum Wage: Business owners say market forces should determine entry-level wages, not the government. But the job market does not operate by the usual laws of supply and demand. The economy is kept at a 6 percent unemployment rate (the "natural rate of unemployment") for reasons beneficial to business. Because there are more workers than jobs, it's an employer's market, and employers can therefore force entry-level wages below the poverty level.

... most are failures of politics.  Any government will make mistakes.  A great government can recognize and fix them.    

The failures and successes that you mentioned have happened under many administrations, convervative, moderate and liberal.  
    We, as voters, are not blameless.  We often vote for positions that meet our own needs and often ignore the needs of the commonwealth of people that we live among.  Tough problems require courage and significant sacrifice to solve, when voters bring forth those quantities, the influence of special interests groups decrease, their money buys them little sway over the national agenda.

You might however look back at your history as to who was controlling the country during your silly list of failures.

The Democratic Party Controlled both Houses for 42 years, during which almost all of the aforementioned "failures" occurred.

The most ridiculous is your contention that the "media" is conservative.  

You might want to try this remedy:

Take your right hand, grasp firmly on your right ear and pull your head out of your anal cavity.

(That last part was for you, I'm sure you will edit it out if not the entire post!)

But then surely a brain surgeon like yourself can distinguish between "The E Ticket" and "TheMealTicket".

Seriously, why not just take each point and refute them - one would think that in a reasoned dialogue that would be more effective than immediately resorting to ridicule.

I imagine that we might even find common ground. Surely there are as many things that bother you about the current administration as there are that bother me about John Kerry. Finding common ground along with points of contention could go a long way towards promoting understanding.

Before you lock and load, let me admit that I have allowed myself to get carried away with invective when logic and reason would have been more constructive. Perhaps we can all help each other in restraining this.

Bribite, whether you believe it or not, when I attack Bush and his cronies I am not attacking you. You obviously feel that there are benefits to the reign of the current president that outweigh what I perceive as negatives. Let's air them, shall we?

Puck, I'm working on the list and I agree that I have many issues of disagreement with Bush and of course more with Kerry, I'll list them, maybe not today, but in the next couple of days.

And it has been the "bigot", "racist" etc, comments without knowing me or what I believe, or even my race that have felt like personal attacks.  As far as debating the issues, personally I find it much more engaging with someone with an opposing.  I married one and although I'm somewhat of a dawg, I still love her.

I left your message intact because I wanted to give an example of how I moderate.

The post I am responding to has a subject that some could be construed as a personal attack. However, it is a grey area because being a "partisan lefty" could be seen by REASOANBLE people as being either a personal attack or not, depending on which side you stand on.

But, the second to the last sentence about pulling a "head out of an anal cavity" would be seen by almost all REASONABLE people as a personal attack and I normally would edit it out and leave the rest and then make it active.

Sidebar:

bribite said this:
"The most ridiculous is your contention that the "media" is conservative."

This is allowed because it calls the content of a post ridiculous, and did NOT call the person making ti ridiculous. thus it is not a personal attack.

Happy posting!

TMT

Can't seem to concentrate on the government we have vs the governments we had, either. Criticize Bush, he trots out Clinton. Criticize Ashcroft, he trots out Reno.
Funny - Nixon hardly gets mentioned by the lefties here, certainly not to the extent that Clinton is invoked.
Maybe when you can't defend your guy legitimately you are forced to offer up alternative targets. Wonder how Bush compares with Stalin - could that be the secret campaign slogan Rove is keeping in the wings?

"Vote Bush - he's better than Stalin."

Kind of has a ring to it, don't you think?

No point in referencing the distant past (Stalin) when the present is so appropos.  Since just about any other American President would have continued to try and track Bin Laden to the ends of the earth, rather than take his eye off of our real enemy, Osama is surely happy that he went after us on Dumbya's watch.

Al Qaida is FAR stronger than they were 18 months ago.  Why, because of the Iraq fiasco, plain and simple.  Bush is the greatest thing that ever happened to Al Qaida.  Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri must give thanks 6 times a day while facing Mecca that their hated adversary is led by George W. Bush.

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   I consider myself a conservative in many aspects of my beliefs.  But Im not stupid enough to believe that any one political party upholds those beliefs, and nor should it every time.
   I can openly agree with quiet a few issues with friends on the liberal side such as the war in Iraq which I completely disagree with as a matter of policy, environmental issues(specially energy policy) which in my opinion should be the highest national security priority.  I admired FDR, Teddy, even Nixon in some respects, Kennedy very highly, Reagan very highly, Bush sr. and Clinton also  highly.  
  Limited govt, low taxation, fiscally conservative policies, socially conservative policies, and pro-life(except in matters of threat to the mother's health or rape) are also Policies I support.  
   Far too often, due the diluted political messages people believe the Democratic party upholds Kennedy liberalism which is far from the truth, and people falsely believe that the Republican party truly upholds conservative principles which is also a farce.  

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