..  I'm sure now that all of you have heard or read the story.  

Welcome to the Middle East with an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.  Welcome to the Mafia and revenge killings.  Welcome to modern technology so we can watch a man being beheaded on our computer.

St John of the Cross wrote about the Dark Night of the Soul.  All of us are writing here because we have not lost the capability to feel things.  Tonight, all of us face our own dark night if we have the courage to look it in the eye.  

I'm personally sickened.  My heart goes out to the man's family.  There is really nothing to say.   Right now, our time is a time to mourn.

Harry

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I hope the media, handwringing politicians and the soldier who ratted everyone out and started this whole ball of wax can be proud of the part they played in this man's death.

Maybe the reason the Pentagon was keeping this under wraps is because they knew what the ultimate fallout would be since politicians and reporters are incapable of keeping their traps shut.

Remeber these are also the people who stone women to death for adultery.  Wm. Sherman was right "War is Hell"

I actually hadn't thought of that concept. You gave me the chills.
~CarleeofArizona

I saw it too in the UK (not live but on News channels) will there be an apology from any Iraqi now? or is that only for the west? I don't hear Amnesty International on the TV yet, their silence is deafining, how long will their inquest take for this? I do feel sorry for any persons family which has been brought into this war and i wish it was over but all these civil rights groups have been on uk tv all day sbout the prisoners abuses (which HL i don't condone) but now this story rolled out and silence from the same groups. The uk defence minister proved yesterday that the pictures where "probably fake"(take that what you will)and others which Amnesty reported on have already been dealt with 6 months ago

Reark Night of the Soul

I hope I get this right "The tree of liberty must be water frequently with the blood of Tyrants and Patriots"  Thomas Jefferson - 3rd President of the United States

I still feel the same way tomorrow, but tactical nukes comes to mind tonight!  I predict that within the next five years that if we don't get serious, we will be nuking in retaliation.

Since they seem to be glad to meet death, seeing that they believe in a religion of death, I would give them a shove.

However, I am satisfied that "some" of you will be able to figure it out!



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" Maybe the reason the Pentagon was keeping this under wraps is because they knew what the ultimate fallout would be since politicians and reporters are incapable of keeping their traps shut."

Maybe if the Pentagon had gone in and cleaned house in the months they've known about these abuses they wouldn't have had to keep it under wraps. Taking action after pictures are released doesn't make them noble. The man who blew the whistle apparently did so because it was the only way to stop it.

The evildoers responsible for this are claiming to be Al Qaeda.

They just have another excuse to inflict their misery upon us.

The Middle East is a pretty vile place. Only one democracy (Israel) , strongmen rule every country and a centuries old system of oligarchy is in place. Religous fundamentalism (think American South) is used as a tool to control the masses.

If I were growing up under such conditions I'd be looking for a way out too. It's really an easy sell.

Let's cut to the chase about what Iraq is really about. It's all about draining the swamp and keeping the swamp from everyone else, no matter what the cost.

As for nukes, what would you call missles with depleted uranium warheads? Nuke lite?

is what a lot of people will do.

I just hope that emotions do not overcome whoever is actually in charge of this bullshit war in Iraq and allow it to cloud their judgement as to the handling of it. So far it has been improperly handled since the beginning.

... If I could get close to the people who did this, I would kill them myself and never lose a night's sleep.  I say this as a man who has trouble with capital punishment as a judicial tool.

What happened is not part of the Iraq war.  The terrorists apparently did it.  It looks like the young man who was killed was some poor do-gooder in Iraq as a private citizen trying to help.  US troops arrested him and held him for close to two weeks and then released him in the middle of a combac zone and told him he should get out of Iraq. (I'm not blaming the troops).  

I would have great problems with "carpet bombing" as a method of dealing with this.  The man who read this statement and did the killing was, according to analysts, an uneducated citizen of Egypt or Siria.  Who do we bomb?  The solution sounds like the man with a very good hammer to whom every problem looks like a nail.

I think everybody loses when they treat others collectively:  e.g. this other group is evil -- therefore the normal rules don't apply.  That thinking prevades every conflict that lasts for a long time. I don't know how to fix it.  However, on a day to day basis, we have to deal with it to maintain the safety of citizens and the military.  

With no attempt to make a joke out of the thing, I keep thinking of my late father's admonition "Never wrestle with a pig.  Both of you will be covered in mud and the pig will like it.".

I cut this from Neal Boortz' website this morning. I agree with it completely.


"Compare the two cultures.  While America is investigating the abuse of Iraqi prisoners ... while America is preparing to punish those responsible ... while America is apologizing to the families of the prisoners and their countrymen for the actions of a few soldiers, and preparing to pay these families large sums of money .. while America is trying to do the right thing, Arab Muslims are slaughtering an innocent American civilian who's only crime was he was looking for a job trying to improve the Iraqi communications infrastructure.

This was a terrorist attack.  It was an attack by Islamic terrorists, only this time it took five men to kill one American.  One American civilian, or 3000 ... it's terrorism all the same.

Will this finally convince you that we are in the midst of a war?  It's a World War.  A war being fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, on Manhattan Island and the Virginia suburbs of Washington DC. It's a war being fought in former Soviet republics; a war is being fought on the island of Bali and in the Philippines. This is World War IV -- a war against fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists and terrorists.  These are the people we are fighting.  They are vicious relentless Muslim animals  who will not stop killing innocent Americans and who will not abandon their dream of a world dominated by Islam until they are utterly and completely destroyed.  These are people without a conscious who believe that the way to redeem their honor is to brutally slaughter innocent human beings, and this they do in the name of their god.

The question may be discomforting, but do these Islamic terrorist fanatics draw encouragement from the constant Democratic attacks on the president and the liberation of the people of Iraq from one of history's most brutal dictators?  How could they not?  How could these vicious Islamic bastards not draw comfort from Ted Kennedy's comparisons of Iraq with Vietnam?  These Islamic fanatics know they're at war.  They make no secret of their ambition and intention to destroy America.  Do you think they haven't studied our history?  How could they not know that America abandoned Vietnam to communist aggression when the going got particularly rough and when the tide of opinion in America turned against the war.  Do they not hear the comparison to Vietnam from a leading American politician as nothing less than a prelude to surrender or withdrawal ... a sign of American weakness?

This vicious murder of an American civilian should serve to reignite the American resolve to destroy, not to appease, but to destroy the Islamic Jihadists.  Now you should know that playing nice won't work.  While we try to bring to justice the people responsible for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, the Islamic fanatics cut the head off of an innocent American civilian in order to "redeem" their manhood.  They're not men, they're bugs ... and they need to be squashed.

The retaliation for this vicious act must be firm, it must be swift, and it must have a violent finality.  These inhuman Muslims must learn that these actions against Americans will not go unanswered ... and the answer will have a terrible finality."

RLTW

I totally agree with what you say.

We must realize that we can not talk to these "people", we can not negotiate with these "people", we can not "get along" with these "people".

We must kill them dead, then kill them again and stomp on their graves, in full view of the world. So they know what to expect.
We need to let them know that we are more than willing to help them on their way to see Allah.

Just my opinion...
B

Keep up the good work paltroons.

We Shall Avenge Nick Berg.

cannot agree more RLTW, not only are we fighting a war on terror we are fighting a war against Political correctness, immediate media knowledge( wether right or wrong) I know muslims in the uk, and are good ones at that but they stick to their religion when others ie mine Christianity will waver for politcal correctness

the easiest excuse that one, but we have had the Uk PM apologise for things which have been told are made up pictures by the Daily Mirror, so we (the uk) have seen pictures of gravestones from the great war being de-faced and abused in Al Alamein because of false pictures now just to sell newspapers and the public down the river. But an american can be behaeaded on live internet and Al Jazeera tv and no apology from anyone at all, come on, if all the muslim communities want is peace then somebody say sorry for 9/11 and these instances of brutality.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure.

This is from a letter by Jefferson in 1787 writing from Paris and is discussing the US Constitution which is soon to be ratified.

Here is another part of it.

Wonderful is the effect of impudent & persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves.

And here where Jefferson promote violent overthrow of the US!!!!

What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.


Amazing eh?

TET

Harry I like this one even better than the Pig one.

"When you prepare for revenge....dig two graves."

TET

As I recall, the Muslim community in the USA that are not fanatics did apologize after 9/11. This may have been in part to save their ass. They also tried to educate non Muslims about the their beliefs, which are just the opposite of the terrorists.

Now I still pose the question to you.

Why would an Iraqi apologize to anyone about the beheading of a US citizen? The terrorists supposedly did it, not any Iraqi's.

They do not want US there. The Shia and the Sunni's are now banding together to fight US and in a country that knows nothing but strife and turmoil, they live to fight and die for Allah.

The enemy being Al Qaida and their supporters.  Who, BTW, had nothing to do with Iraq under Saddam Hussein.