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RespectfulRobert 891 reads
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Putin invading Ukraine. CNN just reported that the Russians will soon have over 200K troops on the border and they are not there to wish he Ukrainians a happy holiday. Is Putin using this as a bargaining chip? If he does invade, the allies have to cut ties with Russia and stop purchasing their gas/oil, costing them numerous billions. Easier said than done though. What should Joe/the allies do? Sanctions? What type and how severe? Any ideas?

inicky46 61 Reviews 61 reads
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2 / 35

I don't know what kind of military aid we've been sending Ukraine but we should be flooding them with anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to make any invasion as painful for them as possible.
Biden is talking to Vlad tomorrow. Vlad wants to lop off a hunk of Eastern Ukraine to connect the Crimea (which he stole in 2014) to the rest of Russia. He also wants to make sure Ukraine never becomes a member of NATO.
That's a concession we can never make, but I don't mind if it's made clear to Putin privately that we oppose that.

RespectfulRobert 38 reads
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3 / 35

Experts are saying there is only another month (or less) of "mud season." That is, once the ground freezes, which will make the attack much easier, the countdown to invasion will be moving rapidly. I just dont think the Ukrainians will be able to thwart those kind of numbers i.e. 200K troops or more. Good point about the back channel overture. I think that is the play here. Good post!

KCMOSHYGUY 11 Reviews 39 reads
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4 / 35

1)  They didn't go along with an infamous incident known as "quid pro quo."

 
2)  Putin & the guy that wanted the "quid pro quo" are collusion buddies.

 
3)  You support the guy that didn't get that "quid pro quo."

Townman 57 reads
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5 / 35

Nobody's invading anything. Putin is applying pressure to get the US out of his hair in relation to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. In that he should succeed I reckon.  
Russians don't care about the US sanctions as long as it doesn't involve SWIFT. As long as China is on the side of Russia in that conflict, and China is, American sanctions are irrelevant because guess where most of the things are still being made nowadays?  

On the other hand if US tries to cut Russia off SWIFT that could literally lead to war. Guess who wins if the US and Russia start fighting? China of course, but only of course if the nukes stay put. If nukes start flying between the US and Russia then it's a 'goodbye baby' for all of us. I think this small scale tactical nuclear exchange thingy some people are talking about is a fantasy land.  

Also anyone's up for sending their son or daughter to fight the Russians over Ukraine? I thought so.

cks175 52 Reviews 59 reads
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6 / 35

Biden dropped the NS2 sanctions months ago, and that pipleline is a done deal. Nicky pointed out a land bridge to Crimea, and NATO membership for Ukraine as the two key factors in play.

US financial sanctions are certainly in play as we could almost paralyze their monetary system.

macdaddy1944 51 Reviews 60 reads
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7 / 35

We'll just the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys over there to take care of them..

LostSon 43 Reviews 32 reads
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8 / 35

The fact that Putin "thinks" he can get away with this is BECAUSE Putin knows that Biden is piss his pants scared of him.  When Biden was in Russia in 2011 on behalf of the Obama election Biden traveled to Russia and  Putin personally Punked Biden and Biden did NOTHING about it.  

So Vlad has slow Joes number hard! and knows he can bully the man easily!!!

LostSon 43 Reviews 39 reads
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9 / 35

Posted By: KCMOSHYGUY
Re: You don't care about Ukraine because...
1)  They didn't go along with an infamous incident known as "quid pro quo."  
   
   
 2)  Putin & the guy that wanted the "quid pro quo" are collusion buddies.  
   
   
 3)  You support the guy that didn't get that "quid pro quo."
The Koolaid runs strong in this one.... It's amazing to me that the collusion story still sticks.

Robertini 4 Reviews 40 reads
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10 / 35

I just want all the popcorn in the world to pop at the same time without the use of a microwave.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 36 reads
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11 / 35

trump divided us and pitted American vs American....Putin has seen how weak we are now with all the infighting we have.
When trump was in office, he was doing Putin's dirty work by weakening NATO, selling us out to the Russians...Putin had his "Yes" man in the White House. So now he see us as not having the stomach for any foreign disputes. And he lost his "Yes" man....But in the whole grand scheme of things, we won't invade.

cks175 52 Reviews 40 reads
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12 / 35

That’s when Putin first invaded Ukraine. Obama was president.

Obama limited support to Ukraine as only non-lethal aid.

Trump came into office and the Ukrainians received lethal aid, most importantly Javelin anti-tank missiles.

Biden is the President now.  

There’s plenty to criticize Trump for, but saying a potential invasion of Ukraine is all Trump’s fault is absurd.

cks175 52 Reviews 32 reads
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13 / 35

Will be interesting to read the diplomatic readouts of the call from the perspectives of the Biden administration and the Putin regime.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 36 reads
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14 / 35

Let's start on how trump plays so well into Putin's scheme of things. trump kneecapped NATO in favor to Russia. It's something the Biden administration is trying to piece back together, and how trump tried to reverse a lot of the sanctions that congress placed.And the EXXON drilling deal with Russia that trump tried to revive in 2017 but was scrapped in 2018..I could go on but I think you get the ideal...In conclusion, Putin NEEDS trump back at the WH.
But, this buildup on the Ukraine border smells political. It's seems it's design is to muddy the water and become a distraction to the Biden agenda. It's red meat for the Right, like an "I told you so" moment to build into the 2022 midterms and to trump up trump for 2024. Russia can project the invasion is imminent to keep us guessing. All the while the far right loses its shit over this.  
So is it trump's fault.....HELL YES.

KCMOSHYGUY 11 Reviews 34 reads
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15 / 35

You keep guzzling Stump's "election was stolen" Kook-Aid.  In contrast, it doesn't amaze me his fairy tale still sticks, since your side is so delusional & gullible.

cks175 52 Reviews 37 reads
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16 / 35

You’re so fixated on the Russian collusion hoax, you assign Russian collusion to things that would debunk it.

What you’re suggesting is that Putin has stationed 200,000 troops on the border to begin saber rattling for the 2022 elections in the US, and will keep them there until 2024?! LOL

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 35 reads
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17 / 35

It's Trump's fault that Biden gave Putin the Pipeline access;
It's Trump's fault that Biden destroyed border security for the US;
It's Trump's fault that Biden got thrown out of Afghanistan by the Taliban, leaving Americans behind for 115 days to die;
It's Trump's fault that Biden has fucked up the economy that was roaring prior to Covid;
It's Trump's fault that inflation is at the highest rate since Carter was prez;
It's Trump's fault that Biden is not mentally fit to continue as President;
It's Trump's fault that Biden's poll numbers continue to tank;
It's Trump's fault that China is harassing Taiwan with military flyovers;
It's Trump's fault that VP Harris is the most despised VP in history;
It's Trump's fault that Biden has not beat Covid, despite access to vaccines that did not exist for Trump;
It's Trump's fault that nuclear talks with Iran are going nowhere;
And its Trump's fault that you keep drinking the Leftie koolaid.  Yes, Trump is the only one responsible, if you're a moron.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 34 reads
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20 / 35

Your "What you’re suggesting is that Putin has stationed 200,000 troops on the border to begin saber rattling for the 2022 elections in the US, and will keep them there until 2024?!"...no that's not what I'm suggesting. What I'm saying is to have the imminent threat linger for optics. Then in time they'll be a withdraw of maybe 100k or 150k. By that time the righties will be all over the stench. It'll be your rally cry.

LostSon 43 Reviews 29 reads
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21 / 35

Posted By: Laffy
Re: Two things:
1)  Nailed it
 
No, he didn't Not by a MILE ! !  
   
 2)  One thing most people fail to mention that proves Nazi Donnie and the entire GQP is Putin's bitch is how the fucking NRA took 30 million from him and spent it on advertising to help him win.  How in the FUCK is that legal?  RayGun is STILL spinning in his grave.  

This is completely unfounded and not true. If it were this would have been the smoking gun to actualy arrest Trump..
   
   
 
Posted By: Laffy
If Emily's List took 30 million from China and spent it to help Hillary, the "Super Patriots" would have shot every single fucking one of them.  
   
   
 Also, what makes it sooooooooooooooooo much hilarious is they fill their diapers non-stop calling Liberals "Commies" when THEY are the ones sucking Putin's cock and taking his money.  Always projecting.  Always.
 

Ya gotta top with the diaper and ass licking fantasies... Seriously Gollum  ya do...

LostSon 43 Reviews 41 reads
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22 / 35

Posted By: Hpygolky
Re: I think we can all agree that trump/GOP=Putin's stooges...yes?
Let's start on how trump plays so well into Putin's scheme of things. trump kneecapped NATO in favor to Russia. It's something the Biden administration is trying to piece back together, and how trump tried to reverse a lot of the sanctions that congress placed.And the EXXON drilling deal with Russia that trump tried to revive in 2017 but was scrapped in 2018..I could go on but I think you get the ideal...In conclusion, Putin NEEDS trump back at the WH.  
 But, this buildup on the Ukraine border smells political. It's seems it's design is to muddy the water and become a distraction to the Biden agenda. It's red meat for the Right, like an "I told you so" moment to build into the 2022 midterms and to trump up trump for 2024. Russia can project the invasion is imminent to keep us guessing. All the while the far right loses its shit over this.  
 So is it trump's fault.....HELL YES.
How exactly did Trump "Kneecap Nato?" Chart Circles and arrows Please? If you referring to him making the NATO member nations pay up on their late payments? Then you stretch is from Coast to coast.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 28 reads
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24 / 35

It was intentional.  It's called sarcasm.  Everyone here (except maybe Happy, who likes to STILL blame Trump for everything that goes wrong) knows that everything I mentioned is on Biden, not Trump.  I like your way of agreeing with me by making it look like you don't.  Very clever.  LOL

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 37 reads
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inicky46 61 Reviews 25 reads
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26 / 35

Russia has zero interest in taking over all of Ukraine. At most they'd like to hack off a corridor to connect their stolen Crimea to the rest of Russia.
And no one here or in DC is wanting to go to war with Russia over it. No one.
Stop huffing glue, Wanker.

KCMOSHYGUY 11 Reviews 59 reads
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27 / 35

In addition to snuggling up to Putin at NATO's expense, how about threatening to leave it?

cks175 52 Reviews 31 reads
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28 / 35

NATO was stronger and better funded at the end of the Trump administration than it was at the beginning of the Trump administration. That isn’t exactly “knee-capping”.

inicky46 61 Reviews 54 reads
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29 / 35

"Despite Trump's swagger, those increases were the result of efforts by Stoltenberg, who "strategically promoted the view that Trump had prevailed over opposition from other member states," Schuette writes.

Stoltenberg was also always careful to compare "the spending figures to 2016 — the year of Trump's election — rather than 2015, when the allies' budgets first showed increases," Schuette notes.

According to one official interviewed by Schuette, Stoltenberg would even present the increases in defense spending to Trump using "very simple bar charts" — playing to Trump's preference for visual aids."

And THEN: "In 2019, only seven out of the then-29 allies met the 2% target and only 15 were planning to meet it by 2024."

So Trump (and ChicKenShit) have little to crow about here. Not to mention that Trump's mouthing off about NATO perhaps being no longer necessary was highly destructive and encouraged his pal, Putin.

followme 22 reads
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30 / 35

And prove him a liar again.

 
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm

 
Since he spends so much time with his bag twin (icunty) felching each other that during the down time they make up lies and stupid bullshit together, their version of pillow talk.

cks175 52 Reviews 49 reads
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31 / 35

1. NATO was better funded and stronger at the end of his administration than it was in 2016.
2. Trump provided lethal aid to the Ukrainians, unlike his predecessor, President “Please Don’t Seize Crimea” Obama
3. Biden dropped the NS2 sanctions, not Trump.

Nicky and KC are arguing that Trump kneecapped NATO, but haven’t pointed to one action Putin took because he perceived a Trump era NATO to be weak.

From a foreign policy analysis of Trump impacts on NATO:
Yet, the actions of the current administration speak to a very different reality. Rather than weakening, the U.S. military commitment to Europe has actually increased during Trump’s presidency in ways that send direct signals to Russia and limit potential Russian involvement in Europe
The Three Thronged Approach:
the U.S. commitment to the defense of Europe from Russian action has undeniably strengthened over the past two years. This can be seen in personnel choices for key positions in the administration, an increased American military presence and specific capabilities in the region, and energy development in the U.S. that undercuts Russia’s leverage in Europe
Increased Military Presence In Eastern Europe:
Since the start of the Trump administration, the U.S. has both doubled down on the Obama administration’s policy to reinforce the Baltic states and increased the U.S. presence in Ukraine. The U.S. military presence in the Baltic states is part of the European Reassurance Initiative to bolster the defense of the most exposed members of the Alliance. Each Baltic state and Poland has a brigade of Allied forces stationed in it with the U.S. taking the lead role in Poland.
The Obsession With Trump Tweets Is Absurd:
this is a moment to forge a new relationship that would suit both long-term U.S. and EU objectives, as well as bring NATO back to its original purpose. To get there, however, we need to collectively move beyond an obsession with Trump’s seeming inability to play according to the rules of diplomatic behavior.

inicky46 61 Reviews 40 reads
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32 / 35

Yes, NATO was better funded but it was not stronger. Why? Because Trump sowed uncertainly among our allies and was clearly Putin's poodle. Also, while it was better funded, the article points out that most NATO countries were NOT paying their fare share to their own defense budgets. And to the extent they were, it was because of Stoltenberg NOT Trump.
Epic fail by ChicKenShit.

cks175 52 Reviews 41 reads
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There’s quantifiable evidence that shows Putin did not make any notable gains versus Europe as a result of a “knee-capped NATO. On the contrary, NATO power projection in Eastern Europe increased during the Trump era, as did military aid to Ukraine.

Liberal critics can’t point to any measurable advantages Putin gained in Europe due to Trump’s criticism of the Europeans’ lacking financial contributions to NATO. The best they can come up with is Trump’s style was unnerving to the leadership and diplomatic classes in Brussels and throughout Europe.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 38 reads
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Democracy/Nato being the snake and America being the head. Putin knows the game, long term.So to say "Putin did not make any notable gains versus Europe" isn't correct...he made great gains here, divided us, question our democratic process and to expose us to the world that democracy isn't all that. All this in time would've weaken Europe/Nato.
And of course you sprinkle a Marine Le Pen and a Lukashenko here and there over Europe and the voila....Democracy is weaken before our very eyes...Surprised you don't see it that way but....hey whatcha gonna do.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 19 reads
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35 / 35

a black woman, it's because she is a cheap slut-whore who spent her life sucking Democrat dicks to move up the food chain when she didn't have the smarts to do it with accomplishments.  Now she is PRETENDING to be VP when she has no idea what the job entails.  THAT'S why she's despised.  

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