When they said Kerry did not earn his Silver Star.

It turns out the trooper Kerry saved is a Special Forces vet. And when the Swift BoatLiars for Bush said Kerry lied they also called the Special Forces, Rassmun, a liar too. When they called him a liar they called ALL Special Forces ....liars.

Special Forces is the 1% of the 1%. They take honor and duty further than just about any ther segment of the military. they now consider the Swift BoatLiars for Bush   dishonorable.

Rassman, the man Kerry saved is a life lon Reoublican, but on his own dime travelled to Ioaw and is now supporting Kerry.

This scurrilous political attack job, funded by Republican, who did the same against McCain and McCleland seems to have backfired this time because they called the entire Special Forces traitors.

when word came over the radio a couple of wounded GI's needed to hitch a ride, so off we go.  This particular chopper was not on a combat mission btw, we were tasked to photograph some blown up shit out in the middle of the damn jungle.  We had a pilot and an intelligence officer, each with 1911 A1's, one M16 just for kicks, and me and my camera...not even a fucking door gunner.  Anyway, off we go!

Pilot set down, we loaded two wounded guys and started to lift off.  Charlie started shootin', our guys started shooting back, another went down.  Still under fire, and with cover fire, we set back down hopped out, grabbed #3 and threw his ass on board and went skyward taking a few rounds for good silver star measure.

To the best of my recollection no one on board even hinted that what just went down was unusually brave or deserving of a medal.    Me thinks that if John Kerry were on board he prolly would have somehow finagled a silver star out of that one too.

4 months, 3 purple hearts and a silver star with no more than a scratch or two is laughable.  

Lastly, how you rationalize that giving a more "accurate accounting" of JFK's service in Viet Nam rather than the tripe he panders about as calling all special forces liars is beyond me.

now what was that you've been smoking???  

bb

No shit!

It has been 33 years and I and every Vet I know (WWII, Korea or Vietnam) very seldom talk about their service, most especially those bad days.  Much less about their own heroic deeds.  And I don't know anyone who served in Vietnam who didn't perform heroically almost daily!  I'm not sure why that is, but it is a fact.

My Dad didn't talk about WWII until after Saving Private Ryan came out and he was in his 80's.  And it was pityful watching him relive it!  

It's not something that warriors do.  Kerry was no warrior, even if he wants to portray himself as one.

I wonder if Kerry had a paper bag full of shit thrown at him when he got back home?  Some of us did, and I still feel like it was Hanoi John himself who was throwing it!

laughed and said 'You want a purple heart for that?' Kerry got his 3rd purple heart and a plane ticket home.  3 purple hearts and not one medical non-active duty day. Very bogus to me.  I'm gonna read that new book as soon as I can get my hands on it.
Plus--- That magic hat that Kerry carried around in his brief case- just to weird.  I don't hate Kerry, it's just to dangerous for him to be president.  He just pulled this stuff out of Apocalypse Now.  HE THINKS HE'S MARTIN SHEEN!!!!

Yep it was wild day.

Just to make it clear though, I was not a infantryman.  The navy had me cleared top secret cuz of some other stuff, and because I was good with a camera, could run the dark room and keep my mouth shut they, kept flying me in country to take pics of bad shit that happened.  Sounds cush, and it was when compared to real shooters, but we had some damn close calls.  Jumped out of a bird one time and we weren't 50 feet away and charlie lit it up.  We had a couple of hot team guys with us that day so charlie paid the price.

But you're right, the shooters over there did amazing stuff daily, and did it because it was their job, not so they could lobby for medals that might help a future political career.  My guess is Kerry woulda gotten his ass fragged had he done a "real" tour.  My own, 2 tours - 19 months give or take, so John Kerry can suck my dick!!!

Ya know, thinking back on those days and seeing brave young soldiers going home because they suffered real and debilitating injuries it just makes me sick to my stomach that John Kerry left afer 4 month with narry a scratch and 3 purple hearts.  Some shit just isn't right!!!

bb

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He is the political quarterback for what is the most patently corrupt and criminal Administration in our Nation's history, and he still has 45% of the public scammed into believing Witless should be given a second term.

to self promote himself in order to gain said decorations is shameful.  Real shooters don't do shit like that, opportunists with an eye on future do.  Had you served in or been anywhere near combat in your lifetime you would understand this with clarity.

And then there's the Cambodia claim...like I said, Fraud is his middle name.  I'd rather see Al Sharpton in the Whitehouse than this asshole.

At no point in his life did Kerry ever squander the lives of over 900 brave American soldiers in an unwise war based on false premises.

At no point in his life did the enemy ever kill 3000 Americans when KERRY was the man who had the top job of defending the nation from attack.

And at no point in his life did Kerry ever decide that the same enemy who had killed those 3000 American citizens was not as important a target as a tin-horn dictator who had never attacked the U.S.

Sometimes, the truth is really apalling.  But that doesn't prevent it from being the truth.

And it's just too fucking bad that Kerry's wounds were not severe enough for you.  But to claim that he had "narry a scratch" is just another piece of shit lie of yours.   why should we give ANY credence to ANY of your posts?



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Cut me a break.  If you don't like the guy just say so and don't
vote for him.  Don't try to make up some bullshit just so you
can argue your point.

The military gave him the medals - end of story.

AN

and comes away with 3 Purple Hearts Bronze and Silver without kissing ass and lobbying on his own behalf.  So yes he did fool the military and shame on them.  So tell me Abnormal, why won't the Kerry campaign open all his medal related records to public scrutiny.  Kinda makes ya wonder doesn't it cupcake!

To put your blind faith approach in semi-proper perspective, it's kinda like posting self reviews in these parts.

John Fraud Kerry is just that, a Fraud!

You extoll how great the military is as an institution etc and
then you want us to disregard they're greatness when it comes
to handing out medals.  You can't have it both ways.

Kerry has the medals.  He did not award them to himself.
End of story.  Try coming up with some other "scheme" to
discredit him.  You have a few months.

AN

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where John Fraud Kerry did 4 months and a few days.  As such, I kinda sorta know just a bit more about this medal thing and how ya get em' than the average civilian. Were you aware that Fraud didn't even know about the 3 Purple Heart and ya get cush duty rule, and that another office brought it to his attention and suggest he exercise it before he got his ass fragged.  So we've got hundreds of Swift Boat Vets that say he's an asshole and maybe 18 or 19 that say otherwise...I've gotta go with the majority and personal experience on this one....what's your excuse besides emotional anybody but Bush speak.

Bottom line cupcake...Fraud overstated his actions and so called bravey while in country.  Fraud came back to the states and admitted to commiting war atrocities.  Fraud has at best a lackluster track record as a senator.  Fraud sez to the brainless faithful what ever is necessary to get elected.  Fraud is simply a Fraud, and as I stated in a previous post, I'd rather see Al Sharpton in the White House than this asshole.

Bush has his Daddy pull strings to get him into the Air National Guard guaranteeing there would be virtually no chance of him being sent to Vietnam.  He apparently had trouble showing up even for this duty and missed a physical which got him removed from flight duty.  (By the way, this physical was the first one that would have required him to take a drug test - you don't suppose he would have failed, do you?)

Bottom line...Bush dodged going to Vietnam with Daddy's help, Bush failed as a businessman and was bailed out by Daddy's friends, Bush had a lackluster record as governor of Texas, ignored many of his non-Neocon advisors on planning for post-invasion Iraq which has made the situation much worse now, promised that his economic policies would create millions more jobs than have actually been created, etc., etc.  How can anyone say this guy deserves a second term?

The subject matter is/was Swift Boat Vets talking shit and Frauds medals.  

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are worthy of medals then that's your problem.  Oh, the rice in his ass injury sure was grand wasn't it...another medal.  Then the stupid fuck misfires an M-79 and injurs himself in the process, oops another medal.  A 3mm metal fragment lifted from under the skin afterwhich a bandaid was applied was about as serious it got.

So no, after the shit I witnessed over there his so called injuries are nothing, and big fat fucking nothing.  If you wish to so be blind with rage at the Bush administration, which I don't wholy support by the way, that anything John Fraud Kerry does or sez is gospel, well, I just don't know what to say.

Oh, and as for credence....what the fuck makes you so special!

were reasonbly well thought out and presented, but something's happened to you.  Your comments above are nothing more than Strawman bullshit.  You are becoming a rabid dog that cannot stay on topic. Anything not complimentary of your candidate gets a bunch of rabid dog bullshit. Your utter disgust for the Bush administration has turned you into a thread hijacking Kerry worshiping asshole strawman.

Back on Topic:  John Fraud Kerry did no deserve all the medals he received the result of his service in southeast asia.  To state otherwise dishonors those vets who really earned their medals.  Swift Boat Vets against this asshole far out number those who support him.  He would have likely been fragged had he stayed in country for his complete tour.

Bush is also an asshole.

Now go get laid, you'll feel better!

 

Then who should give a rat's ass (a Bribite Term) whether whatever number of detractors there are who were not side by side with him.  Also, it is a historical fact that Mr.Kerry served one TOUR of duty plus 4 months in VietNam.  You purposely attempt to twist facts to serve your ends, such is symtomatic of an asshole.

where there is essentially no shooting, or very little.  Mr. Kerry has made a big deal of his in country herosim and resulting awards, that which we were discussing.  On that specific issue I believe he was a self serving asshole that does not deserve all the awards bestowed.  

Now back to his detractors.  Swift Boats rarely went out solo so to suggest that his detractors, men on other boats within eyesight of Lt. Kerrys boat and fighting the same fight, are less qualified to say he's an asshole than the guys on his boat is just silly bullshit.  It's kind of like saying a special teams player is not qualified to say the QB is a putz because he wasn't on the field with him.

   

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The four months that Mr.Kerry served as a swiftboat commander on the Mekong Delta resulted in no other person than President Nixon citing the unit that contained his boat for meritorious execution of their duties under trying circumstances.
    While swiftboats did not go out alone, their tasks often required that they be somewhat isolated from nearby boats.  Again bullshitter, I say that the men on Mr.Kerry's boat are the better judges of his service.
    A special teams player on the sidelines DOES NOT know how good or bad a quarterback is until that special teams player has had a 315 pound defensive lineman trying to turn his spine into a pretzel.
    You know.  People like you point to "your" military service like you are the only people who have served.  You use it as a badge of honor to make scurrilous attacks against people who you disagree with politically.  Other people have done what you have and then some, but those people are sane and balanced enough to refrain from such conduct under normal circumstancs.  I do not know what you think of yourself and frankly, I do not care, but to me you are somewhat short of what I would expect of someone who I would consider an equal.

if they draw fire the rest of come a running, if not, said boat rejoins and off they go looking for something else interesting to shoot at.  From that you infer they are "often required to be somewhat isolated" leading some to believe the rest of the unit really doesn't have clue what's going one.  Nice play on words but that dog won't hunt.  Here's how it prolly worked.  Lt. Kerry's job was to keep his guys alive while engaging the enemy and buy all on-board accounts he did a damn good job of it, hence, loyalty of his crew.  That's the way it ought to be and if you'll note I never critized his crew.

The other guys he served with, at close quarter no matter how you wish to distort it, don't necessarily feel that direct "he kept me alive and got me home" bond and are able to evaluate their joint service with Lt. Kerry more objectively.  They are not so kind in their assessment or opinions are they?      

On MUC's - pretty much every unit ends up with an MUC unless they fuck something up real bad so the point is moot.

Special Teams - I was thinking in terms of punter/kicker, someone not involved in the heavy duty bread and butter stuff.

And your last little flame - well, since you don't care I'll not bore you with how calm and peaceful life is over here but you should know that diverging political views don't get me as riled as you might think.  It's blind faith that I have a problem with.

Isn't that what TERica is all about ?  Perhaps, in his last few months, Bush can appoint you Czar of TERica and you can then dictate the discussion.

llcar tell me something, you're in the middle of an IRL discussion with someone and a third party jumps in with a comment that is off the wall thus hijacking the conversation. I think you may look at them and think WTF.  

In the world of well run discussion boards a topic opens and most folks stick it out and discuss the topic.  Hijacks and strawman comments are generally considered bad form.  This particular board seems to have a bit more than its fair share of stuff like that.

It's a more a polite common courtesy thing, much like you would enjoy IRL, than this Czar angle you've somehow envisioned.

But yes, Bush has is problems too.

I can understand how an off the wall remark can be irritating.  However, that the ``Strawmans'' remarks were off the wall is not my opinion.  

I feel it is the bigger picture that is important.  I certainly enjoy the ``meanwhile back at the ranch'' segues.  While Kerry was posing as a hero in Vietnam I envision Bush Jr. posing, in a Bar, all safe and secure knowing Daddy would protect his little Boy - A shot for the road please (Out of line ? No. I think it sums up Jr's character.  Who is worse is debatable).  

Anyways, even if I thought someones comments were off the wall I would definitely think WTF and may look at them with that WTF glance but I would not have the audacity (IMO) to assume everyone else shares my opinion.  Of course, this is just my view and I do need glasses when driving so ?

BTW, it does suck that these 2 clowns are our choices (I've seen enough of the first - send out the second [And don't let that last one near the clown-mobile ever again]).

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Glad I've been away.  You are babbling on and on with no facts
to base your supposed arguements.

You seem to be a bitter and broken person.

AN