POTUS will not let Israel fly over Iraq so what the hell is going on!!  I'm so pissed at Bush for being a wimp to the bitter end.  He's been nicey nice to the vermin dems FOR 8 LONG YEARS and that just makes them hate him and shit on him even more.

You just wait and see what happens next you slimey vermin democrats.  Sarah Palin is going to beat the piss out you!!  ha ha ha ha

She's going to beat the crap out of Hillary Clinton too.  And that evil Nancy Pelosi too.

It's not all that unlikely. I have to confess, I think McCain did well by picking her as a running mate, but I don't ever see myself voting for her as POTUS.

I don't know GaGambler.  I might.  We haven't seen her under pressure yet.  

She might be awesome!!!!  I have to admit that I am looking forward to seeing her debate Biden and how she handles the drive-by media on the sunday morning shows.

We live in interesting times!!

but what you can bamboozle and finagle and weedle and pressure the USA into doing for Israel.

I see that the USA, in a rare attack of common sense, has refused to sell Israel the Boeing 767A aeriel tankers needed to refuel any strike against suspected Iranian nuclear facilities.  I image that getting those tankers, either as part of military assistance or general foreign aid, will be one of the first orders of AIPAC business with the next Congress being swworn in in January 2009.  No doubt a McCain presidency will give them up as it's first order of business. An Obama presidency will hold out a day or two before the political pressires become unbearable.

Hey, would it noy be amazing if the Israelis did undertake an aerial strike, overflew Iraq, and the Iraq gov't ordered it's defense establishment [such as it is] to engage the Israelis?  Now, that would be interesting.

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A Wellesley Collage graduate against a graduate of the University of Idaho?  No contest!

But if you mean Chelsea, then I would put it about even.

Senator Clinton might have a chance to debate Palin during the next campaign season leading up to the 2012 election.  By that time Palin will have almost four years experience as the vice president.  It should be interesting, and of course, who wins depends are who is judging their performance.

but keep in mind that Obama will still be a major factor and he too will have four more years of experience. I just hope that it will be four more years of experience in the Senate not the White House.

Israel has exercised great restraint in the past when attacked.  

What would Russia do if a group supporting Chechnya were to lob 1,000 missiles into Russian territory from Poland?  Poland would resemble a parking lot within two hours.

What would China do if a group supporting Tibet lobbed missiles into China?  They would make the Russians look like a bunch of school girls.

Yet, tens of thousands of missiles have been fired into Israel, and they engaged in one limited invasion pretty much targeting the source of the missiles.  The proof of that is that the vast majority of Lebanon is still standing, which would not be the case if Russia were reacting to a similar attack.

Israel has no good options.

80 years ago someone said that he was going to wipe out all the Jews, and he managed to kill them by the millions.  Now, someone else has made repeated references, at the very least implying, and at the most expressly stating the same desire.  

In such a situation, as Iran approaches the means to achieve that result, one can hardly fault Israel for taking the threat rather seriously.  

no, Geezer, Ehud Olmert is too busy whacking himself off, as he drools over his latest bribery payment, to bother whacking Iran.

Besides, fighting Iran?  That's why the United States was invented.  Israel has  got defense;ess Pallys to oppress, and Pally land to seize illegally, and the ill-gotten fruits of tediously squalid little aggression to enjoy.  Israel is way to busy and more than has it's hands full to bother whacking Iran.  That's the US' job as far as Olmert, Livni and the rest of them are concerned.

That there was any corruption at all within the Olmert government is troubling. But he's an amateur in this arena. If he wanted to do it right, he could have learned a lot from the PA. Arafat funneling billions away to support his cronies and his wife's extravagant life style in Paris, and continued corruption under Fatah. The main difference I suppose is that aside from the much smaller degree, that it did happen at all in Israel is an actual scandal and threatens to bring down the government, whereas for the PA its just business as usual and no one bothers to bat an eye. Especially you.

But I did learn something new from your post for once. Its the first time I've seen those who launch missiles, detonate bombs on buses and in market squares, and gun down school children as they cross the street, referred to as defenseless. Although I'm sure you've done that before.

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"Hey, would it noy be amazing if the Israelis did undertake an aerial strike, overflew Iraq, and the Iraq gov't ordered it's defense establishment [such as it is] to engage the Israelis?  Now, that would be interesting."

So now Hezbollah and Hamas and others aren't currently killing enough Israelis to satisfy your bloodlust, you need to invent a fantasy where others are now going to do it also?

Do you have McCain dying off and Palin being elevated and running for re-election in 2012? If McCain does gets elected, I can't imagine him ever volunteering to step aside after one term unless he becomes totally incapacitated.

Or do you think Clinton might be chosen as VP candidate next time around?

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Bizarro may drop by and call you an elitist.

will just be called martyrs. And the dead Jews--well the muslim world would have a very short celebration until someone wipes-out all of Iran and probably Pakistan, Syria and Egypt.  Then they won't be celebrating--because they'll be dead.

It would be best to take out the centrifuges now.  That would save the most lives all around.

... and the ambiguity of their nuclear capabilities has long been a part of that survival instinct.

The hard fact of the matter is this:
At the end of the day, Israel will do what they feel they must do in order to survive. If that means the Israeli braintrust has decided they must destoy Iranian nuclear facilities, then they will destroy Iranian nuclear facilities. With or without help. Just like they recently did to the Syrian/N Korean nuclear facility.

At some point, there will be a nuclear detonation, most probably in the Middle East somewhere. The world will see the horrors of nuclear destruction first hand in ways unavailable to them in 1945, and they will be horrified, and perhaps, sanity will be restored to our civilization. Perhaps not, but one can hope for a silver lining.
The Israeli's will be villified, the world will still be here, and the good fight goes on for another day. Just like it did when they took out Osirak.

On the other hand, the Indians and Pakistanis are both nuke-capable and are in a constant state of war, so who knows? Won't be the first time nuclear weapons were used in that part of the world.

Israel's actions.

would it not also be interesting if some Arab state, or the Iranians, taking seriously the talk of an Israeli strike on Iran, mounted a peventive strike on the Israeli air force?  Now that would also be very interesting.

More than one party can play the prevention/pre-emption game, but only party, whose identity is obvious, will ever be held blameless.

Do you believe Obambi has a chance in 2012, if he looses? Without a Dean controlled DNC, his choices will be limited I think. Dean will be dog shit if Democrats loose this one.

Hillary will clean his clock in 2012. Obambi & co won through the caucus, won't happen again.

Hope the Democrazies got rid of the Super Fools and Caucuses!

ooops, you missed a few places where those perfidious Moslems congregate.  Wouldn't want to let any of them survive, would you?

Xinjian province in the PRC
The Philippines
Indonesia
Kenya
Nigeria
Sudan
Somalia
all the varios USSR successor states in Central Asia ending in "Stan"
India
Afgahnistan [some US collateral damage, but you and Israel obviously do not value US lives, so WTF, bombs away]]
Iaq [ditto comment above]
Kuwait
Oman
all those horrible, corrupt pestilential states in the Persian Gulf

there must be some others I missed, but you and the various "strategists" and ethnic cleansers of the IDF are no doubt more than capable of filling in the missing states

Geezer, I for one am glad that you are merely a caricature of a character and not someone to be taken seriously

How he takes losing and what he does in the ensuing four years. If he pulls an Al Gore or his supporters do, or if there is rioting in the streets of Detroit it may kill his political career. OTOH if he accepts defeat graciously and promises to continue to fight the good fight, he could very well be a force to reckon with in 2012.

Keep in mind both Obama and Clinton are both senators and neither one of them are going away anytime soon, but trying to predict what is going to happen four years from now is an effort in futility. I've got an Idea, ask Zin and whatever he says bet the opposite. lol

Or the day before that, the World will bear the weight of Israel not reacting..

Your writing style reminds a little bit of WFB except you're on the left kind of.

A Zebra can't change its stripes and neither can you.  You were born into Catholicism. You're Catholic whether you like it or not and your on Israels side. The days of Catholics and Protestants hating Jews is over.  Catholics, Protestants and jews are on the same side.

The days of Father conglin and H.L. Menkin are long gone(I'm not sure about Menkin hating Jews).

I don't hate muslims--I just think the muslim religion is a cult- that's all.  The muslims should convert to something else.

or any of the Arab states would try anything like what you are suggesting? One thing you've got to admit about the Israelis, right or wrong the retributions would be quick and severe.

If the US ever became a tenth as good at looking out for our own interests as Israel, we would have all the cheap oil we could burn. WTF if the whole world hates us anyhow we might as well reap the benefits.

The Christians also have a long tradition of killing those that won't convert too. I wish they would all convert into some other fairy tale worshiping belief that does not include  prostylizing others.

I don't really care which imaginary friend you want to believe in, I just wish you would all just leave me out of it. I'd also like it if you didn't blow up the planet while you sort out your differences too, but I am sure that is too much to ask for.

no, you don't hate Muslims, you just want Israel and/or the US to bomb into oblivion any and every state where those unfortunate delusionists live, so Israel can better enjoy the fruits of it's ill-gotten booty w/o pangs or consceience and guilt [as if!] and w/o those pesky Pally surviviors occassionally making an appearanc and ruining the Zionist good times.  Foreign Policy Tough Love for the Mohammedeans?  It's for their own good, really, you'll assure us next?

I was indeed raised as a RC, but if being an RC means supporting Israel to the detriment of the USA, it's no wonder I've jettisoned those ancient and well-organized superstitions a long, lomg time ago.  You vastly, vastly confuse vague sympathy for Israel with concrete support of specific Israeli policies on the part of the Xtians out there.  In spite of those Xtian fundies whose dubious support Israel has been more than happy to cultivate, you and they are in for a very big and very unplesant surprise one day when you finally realize how little that support will provide.  


Tell me honestly - if the Pallys did convert to "something else" do you think that their dispossession at the hands of Israel would suddenly be acceptable to them? You're not really that clueless, are you?  And  you're not really Ann Coulter, are you?  As I suspect, a caricature of a character.


I  appreciate the comparison, albeit small, to WFB, TYVM it's quite flattering, I was a big fan of his style if not his politics.

no, neither Iran nor any Arab stste has the capability, the imagination, or the balls.

You're almost on to something, though, when you write "If the US ever became a tenth as good..."
My point exactly - as long as Israel has got the US totall bamboozled, it can get away with whatever the traffic will bear, as we ultimately are their strategic reserve [a role I do not relish playing].  And my other point, if the US would finally understand that Israel's interests  are NOT the US' interests, things would look much improved for theUS in that wretched part of the world. I fear neither of these will ever come to pass in my lifetime.

Well, there is one other possibility - in "Nam. the VC frequently attacked static US positions, sometimes to great succes. If those Pally shitheads could take a break from suicide bombing buses, piszza parlors, deprartment stores, discos, farmers' markets and other similar  targets of great strategic value, and conducted similar  raids against IDF air force installations, the Israeli capability to conduct long range "defensive" missions against Iran and others could be seriously degraded.  Worth a try, and the PR value sure beats murdering Israeli civilians who, while fully enjoying the fruits of Zionist political misdeeds, are in no way responsible for the policies of the Israeli govt.

Though I can, of course, imagine the inevitable outcome - every aircraft attached to the 6th Fleet will be repainted with Israeli markings and turned over to our Most Reliable Rllies In The Middle East faster than you can ask "WTF?"  And if that ain't enough, we can work on those other US aircraft based in other parts of the world.  Sigh.

you forgot a big one ...China has a few Muslims .. Or they did a couple weeks ago.

try again quad.  the very first place I mentioned was Xinjiang Province in the PRC [that's commie China in case you've missed that one as well].

while I've forgotten it, I'm sure AIPAC hasn't.

But I think many of those Arab-Americans in Dearborn are Chaldeans and belong to those  Eastern Xtian rites.

Besides, as Americans, I think evenn GOPGeezer's amnity doesn't extend that far.

The population you speak of resides primarily a bit north of Dearborn, in Soutfiled and Farmington Heights (W and NW burbs). Dearborn (to the SW) indeed is full of Muslims.

so, lemme guess, you avoid that town like the plague.  wouldn't want to come face-to-face with some scary Moslems?

But no matter, I'm only curious if GOPGeezer wants to whack those Moslems living in the USA?  

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I never said one disparaging thing about the Muslim population in the Detroit area. I was simply trying to help you out. Dearborn IS full of Muslims. So what? I’m beginning to think that hold a bigoted view of myself. Or maybe you're just projecting your own hidden and un-admitted hatred for Muslims onto me, LOL.

nope, just trying to goof on GOPGeezer at the very start of this thread.

please don't take this the wrong way RWU, but I think of you as little and as infrequently as possible.

None of it addressed one thing I said, which WAS in response to your previous words. There IS a commonly accepted convention to this whole concpet of forum threads. . .

unless of course you simply talk in order to hear your own voice.

It's good to know you that don't think of me often. I will sleep better now.