& I'm certainly not gonna dictate a person's decision on this matter;hopefully, no one will do same to me.

However, I find a "pro-life hobbyist" to be an oxymoron for the following reasons : "because while a pro-life hobbyist would give the woman a right to choose to become a provider to gratify the sexual needs of the hobbyist, with all the other risks associated with profession ( getting arrested, disease, violence )they would not give her the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.
Not even exceptions for rape, incest & the life of the Mother ? Some clarification is in order.

I believe WW came up with this scenario when this was brought up earlier;if the rubber broke on a pro-life hobbyist & the provider was carrying his baby, would he keep it or want it aborted ? Quite a conumdrum"

That was cut & pasted from earlier thread of mine; feel free to agree or disagree with it.

Lastly, ( if we haven't scared them all off ), how about providers stating how they stand on this issue ?

1. If you had a baby with a provider that looked like pic below, would you still be pro-life ?

2. After reading several of your posts, am curious-----are you under psychiatric care & taking psych. meds ?---------

I  greatly adhere to that philosophy myself------HOWEVER, to quote you :"only way I get any tail is through this hobby".

Now, with that quote, SOME one this board may think you have a "social problem" with the "opposite sex". NEVER me, however, my friend; just wanna give you a "warning"about this place. I think it's changed since you've last been here. When you get to know ol' Pria53, you'll find he's the least judgmental on this board.

However,on other topic, it would behoove you to Goggle "megalomania" & "delusions of grandeur"--------

How many guys do you know that have Wives/GF's that are absolute fucking MONSTERS, that you wouldn't even fuck with your worst enemies' dick-------UGH--------

I am pro-abortion. Let me repeat that. I am PRO-abortion. I think is most cases, abortion should be the decision made.

And while this may be controversial, and may even piss some people off, that's not my intention. I believe in most cases, abortion is the most just and moral decision that can be made.

Before I explain why, let me begin by saying that religion has no place weighing in on matters of biology. You don't see plumbers telling rocket scientists what they should and shouldn't do.

Religion is based on beliefs, not founded on facts. "Be fruitful and multiply" made sense about 6 billion people ago. Today, we have too many people, and we're running out of resources.

This planet was not meant to sustain one species. It was meant to sustain multiple eco-systems, all of which we rely on, whether we're aware of it or not.

Modern agriculture has meant that many species get eliminated for one. This can be seen in most crops, many of which are now genetically modified, with unknown consequences. The Irish potato famine was the result of this. Since only one strain of potato was farmed, entire fields were destroyed because of one fungus. All other species that would have fed from different potato strains were made extinct. Multiply this process over every thing we humans consume: Deer now have no natural predators except for automobiles. Amazonian rain forrests are wiped out to raise cattle. Salmon are wiped out so a beverage company can produce Coca-cola.

The bio-diversity on this planet is in decline. Trees that used to produce oxygen for us to breathe are removed to build homes that produce pollution.

When you look at the earth from space at night, you can see all the lights we use. It looks like the planet is suffering from a massive skin lesion.

http://www.nightskynation.com/pics/earth-at-night.jpg

Today, for every child that is born, that is another 2,700 square feet of earth that has to be dug up and put a box around it with a cover on it, while sucking up fossil fuels and poisonous agriculture production. Another 2,700 square feet where all other species on this earth have been served an eviction notice.

Take a good hard look at the image below. It is a history of the human population growth rate. When Columbus landed on Hispanola, the entire world population is what the US population is today. When the Founding Fathers penned the Constitution, the world population is what North America is today. When the Civil War was fought, the entire world population is what Africa is today. When JFK said we should go to the moon, the world population was a third of what it is today.

This can't go on forever. We have reached a point of consequences: There are only a few options open to us. 1) Far more abortions or 2) Mass starvation or 3) Extinction. There are no other options. I think option 1 is the most humane, and therefore the most moral decision that can be made.

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OK, so, I went through a stage in my life when I was a hard core evangelical/fundamentalist Christian.  During this stage of my life, I lived the lifestyle of asceticism. There was no sex, little to no drinking, and little to no rated R movies.  Although I tried to convince myself that I was living the abundant life, my life sucked and I knew it!  I am now a skeptic of all religious and supernatural claims.  The more science and Biblical higher criticism I read, I realized that the field of Christian apologetics is an industry of bullshit and that I could no longer place my faith in the Christian religion or any religion in general.  My rejection of religion is one reason why I occasionally hobby.  

All that being said, not all of my views have changed since I have deconverted from evangelical/fundamentalist Christianity.  For various reasons, albeit not religious ones, I'm pretty pro-life when it comes to abortion.  I don't think doctors should be able to perform abortion unless a woman is raped or her life is in physical danger.

If you are pro-Choice, I respect your opinion even though I disagree with it.  Many pro-life people paint the pro-choice position as pro-murder and I don't see it that way.

Here's my question.  I would imagine the majority of the people here on TER would be pro-choice when it comes to abortion. Is anyone pro-life? Or am I the only one?  Again, if you're pro-choice, I won't attack you or act unkind towards you despite my disagreement.

Have a nice evening.

Pro Life all the way.

But I think you may be surprised at how many pro-lifers there are here.  It'll be interesting to see.  My reasons for my position are:
1) I believe, first and foremost, that a woman has a right to choose what happens to her body.
2) I honestly don't believe in "the sanctity of life."  Human beings, their religions and societies treat other humans like shit.  Why is it the only time life is sacred is when it's the size of a peanut? I don't believe in any religion, so why would I believe in a religion-based sanctity of anything?
3) I believe firmly that, if you feel differently, that is your right and I respect it.  But I fervently believe that it works the other way,too.  Believe and act as you want.  Don't tell me that because of your beliefs I must believe and act as you do.
4) I believe that this is an issue of personal, moral choice and that the government has no business deciding what the "right" answer is.  Why is it so many so-called conservatives want a smaller government except when it pertains to womens' bodies?

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I don't hold my views out of any religious virtue but out of disdain for the amount of abortion for convienence that takes place. It is a horrible symptom of the individulist/selfish/lack of accountability and responsiblity mindset that most people in this country have been conditioned to have.

The assorted bulldykes and others who champion the murder of the unborn like to bring up a women's choice ad nauseum. Well aside from rape (which results in a very low percentage of abortions and is only used to muddy the water and prevent any halt to the status quo) where the woman has no choice and should be permitted to have one, the woman has the choice before getting pregnant to NOT HAVE SEX. Just once it would be nice to confront one of the pro-choice people with that, if your economic, social, or any aspect of your life could not handle the possibility of a child then you shouldn't have sex, period. Take responsibility for your actions taken under free will.

They act like women don't have control over their own bodies or something and can't prevent themselves from spreading their legs.

We'll when they get within a few feet from me we can excuse their inability to resist temptation, but in all other cases

The permissiveness of this society has just taken that notion out of people, personal responsibility and self control, they think that it is just a foregone conclusion that a massive amouint of the population is just going to get drunk and have sex without precautions and what is there to lose, you can always kill the fetus. It is one aspect of this rotten civilization that anyone with unmolested and unshakeable moral compass should not be able to get over.

You see my friend that is why I have ridiculously high standards, standards that make it to where the only way I get any tail is through this hobby, no chance I would be messing with your friend in the picture, though I am sure its personality is just great. If I ever father a child it will be with a smokin piece of ass, probably won't happen though as any woman that is physically up to my standards is only going to be banging me for my money, I am way too average looking to score a perfect 10, outside of this hobby that is, without other considerations being at work (again money)

As for me being on meds, I am not on them yet, then again we are quickly heading for a time when being politically incorrect will probably be classified as a mental disorder so I will keep you posted on when I am forced to start and what kind.

of I don't have a clue.

1) a woman has a right to choose what happens to her body.
Well to a point.

2) I honestly don't believe in "the sanctity of life." Human beings, their religions and societies treat other humans like shit. Why is it the only time life is sacred is when it's the size of a peanut? I don't believe in any religion, so why would I believe in a religion-based sanctity of anything?

Sanctity of life on religious ground, no. But, more like the right to life. Not sure when life is a two cell ameba and a living being.


4) I believe that this is an issue of personal, moral choice and that the government has no business deciding what the "right" answer is. Why is it so many so-called conservatives want a smaller government except when it pertains to women's bodies?

I'm not sure anyone has the right answer, including me. However if I had my way I would allow for rape and incense no questions asked based on the free choice of  the mother. In all other cases a woman under the age of 21 could have an abortion after counseling with the option of finding parents willing to pay the expenses for 9 months and taking the child. This would be absolutely no way of backing out if agreed.

There are a few things I want to address and I believe there are many things that pro-lifers and pro-choicers here on TER can agree on despite our many differences.  

As a pro-life occasional hobbyist, if I got a provider pregnant (SLIM chance of this happening as I insist on using protection), I would do my best to treat the provider with dignity and respect, as I always try to do with providers.  I would accept responsibility for my role in the situation and do my best to support the provider in her pregnancy and urge her to keep the baby and give it up for adoption.  However, if she chose to get an abortion, I don't think I could stop her. How could I?  She has the legal right to do that, doesn't she?  Whether I agree with the law at this point is irrelevant.

Regarding my reasons for being pro-life, again, they aren't religious, but I'll sum it up right here.  If a woman is raped or her life is in physical danger, that's one thing.   But with all the birth control options out there and sex education, if a guy and gal are going to do the deed consensually, there is no excuse for using protection in this day and age.  We know babies don't come the sky.  We know the potential consequences of having a good time.  I have a HUGE problem with ending a life or the beginning of a life because it make life inconvenient for us.  I will say that both the gal AND the guy need to be responsible.  The gal shouldn't solely be blamed for "spreading her legs."  The guy put his pole in there as well.  Both parties are responsible.  

And as a non-religious pro-lifer, I find it less than helpful to paint those with the pro-choice view as "baby-murder supporters", "pro-death" or anything similar to those labels. I realize that most people with the pro-choice view do not delight in the act of abortion and realize that it can be an extremely difficult and painful decision.

I'll now move on to where we pro-lifers her on the TER can probably be on the same page with the pro-choicers here.  I think it's ridiculous that many religious groups and even politicians who oppose abortion, also oppose birth control/contraception, masturbation, and porn.  I even think this is cruel.  Obviously, birth control and contraception prevent pregnancy, and one could argue that masturbation and porn prevent it as well since these can be alternatives to sex.  If we are going to oppose abortion, we need to be for alternatives that prevent pregnancy besides living the lifestyle of a monk.  It's tough enough to abstain from sex, but to expect people to not masturbate and not look at porn?!?!?!?! Come the fuck on!  

Lastly, I'll sum it up by saying this. I'm pro-life in most cases, but I'm a HUGE supporter of contraception/birth control being made easily accessible and legal. When politicians try to pass legislation trying to restrict or eliminate birth control, I get really pissed.

Life is complicated, after all, and I often question myself.  Don't let people put you in a box and make you feel as if you absolutely must believe X, Y, or Z, and only X, Y, or Z.

It is a personal one and potentially a legal one depending on the laws where you live in this world.

But, I will share my personal view.  I am pro-choice with a twist.  The "choice" comes before a woman gets pregnant, as in the "choice" to use birth control or not.

Making the "choice" after pregnancy occurs would be like taking a mulligan at the first tee (sorry, maybe I should have posted this on the sports board, lol).

No its pretty simple, no social problem. Just a guy that got his ideal picture of a women by "reading" Playboy at 14 yrs old and as I am a pretty average skinny guy I can't score what I like through my physical stature. Not to say I am scary looking, I just have unreasonable standards...lol...It is what it is I guess.

No problem wth the opposite sex, I just don't want to have sex with them unless they are near flawless,lol.

If a woman is not absolutely smoking hot, I can't get a hard on and I can't perform.  Where I work, a good number of my female co-workers are pregnant, and a few of them are U-G-L-Y UGLY. When I walk past them, I can't help but think that the guy who got them pregnant must have been REALLY fucking desperate to impregnate that.  Hell, I'd rather jack off any day than have sex with an ugly to average girl.

I'm really not trying to be offensive by saying this and I apologize to anyone if they are offended, but this really is how I am, and is why I occasionally hobby.

Ugly guys who don't have the means to hobby or don't know about it I guess submit themselves to a sex life with ugly hefers. I can't tell you why they don't just, as you said, jack off, but I guess the act, with anything, means that much to them.

For every ugly woman there are a number of ugly men who would do her, can't say that I get it, but its reality.

The alternative choice is up to her , not me .

we dont suffer the psychological damage from that "choice", and we get to dodge the bullet by not having to pay for and raise a child. besides, it plays well with the chicks so you get white knight points.

as a society we suffer though.

rape and incest are no brainers for me, but because having a baby makes your ass fat and you dont wanna have to buy new pants, or having a baby conflicts with a summer vacation?

you gotta dumb down the definition of life itself to justify it.....that's never good.





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contraception was foolproof.  But it's not.  Also, in a world with finite resources, I'm in favor it abortion from a popultion control perspective.  And I don't want to pay to help incompetant parents raise unwanted children.

Yep. Im pro-lifer.  Fucking n having babees is a fucking privilege. its bout creating a new life, not just filling sumone with yur babeemakers. if peeps aint planning to have babees, then they shud use some fucking protection. absteenence is the best fucking protection of em all.

There has always been only one having the authority to create and terminate life.

That ONE isnt a politician, judge, lawyer or woman; it is GOD

Surprised at my answer? lol

I would pay for the best maturity care I could get. I would even supplement her income while caring my child. I would give her the option to walk away clean or we could figure out what would work best for the child splitting custody or even something else. I do not believe in murder of the unborn. I do believe in taking responsibly for my actions. That includes busted condoms.

There is no variance in my opinion. I believe the woman can do what she will with her body short of terminating anthers life. I think the embryo if human life and needs protecting. I will take full responsibility for any child resulting from my or my wife's actions in or out of the hobby.

No woman needs fear pregnancy that is not having sex. No man needs fear child support that abstains from sex. Works every time. The choice is there. If you engage in risky activities there is consequences. If I play football and break my back I took the risk and it is me who will pay the price. The risks of sex is no different because one could reduce the risk or kill the unborn to prevent it. Yes, abortion is killing a human life. Just because it has not been born does not mean it is not alive. I was an unwanted pregnancy. I am glad my mother did not kill me in the womb.

Didn't think there were too many God-fearers here on TER. LOL!

because I am a HUGE believer in Freedom.

I can not stand abortion. Neither can I stand those ignorant hicks who still want to march in Klan rallies.
But I also know that interfering with an individuals rights is something I never want to do an an individuals rights are paramount.

Would I overturn Roe-v-Wade, YES, but I would also oppose anyone who tried to make it illegal. It is a private matter and should stay that way.

I will say this, in absolutely NO WAY should government funds be used to support this practice. This is a private matter so the individual should pay for it.

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