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Another classically ignorant post from Loser.
inicky46 61 Reviews 291 reads
posted
1 / 13

Leading to the inevitable question: what does Putin have on Trump? Otherwise, why would Trump keep eating Vlad's turdburgrs?
Here's how the Times describes it:
"European leaders scrambled on Friday to respond to a White House proposal to end the war in Ukraine, a 28-point document that would give Russia most of what it has asked for, including the surrender of Ukrainian territory and sharp limits on Kyiv’s military.

The plan, which Ukraine and Europe have said was drafted without their involvement, would require Kyiv to accept conditions that it and its European allies have long called unacceptable and tantamount to capitulation.

According to a draft posted online by a Ukrainian lawmaker, the proposal would require Ukraine to change its constitution to prohibit any effort to join NATO. It would force Kyiv to recognize Russian control of the eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions, parts of which Ukraine still holds. And it would cap the size of the Ukrainian Army at 600,000, down from an estimated current strength of more than 800,000.

The proposal would also bar the presence of NATO troops inside Ukraine, which would derail a European plan to help ensure the country’s postwar security.
If Ukraine agrees to end the war, the proposal says, it would be given frozen Russian assets to help pay for its reconstruction. Kyiv would also receive what the plan calls reliable security guarantees, promising a military response if Russia invaded again but offering few details.

If Moscow did invade again, the proposal says, sanctions would be reinstated and Moscow would lose benefits included in the agreement. Those sweeteners include major Russian goals like readmittance to the Group of 8, reintegration into the global economy and joint investment opportunities with the United States.

The plan was drafted by Steve Witkoff, a Trump administration envoy for peace missions, and Kirill Dmitriev, a Russian counterpart. The Kremlin has deflected questions about whether it supports the 28-point plan. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said he would engage “constructively” with the proposal after meeting on Thursday with an American military delegation sent to Kyiv to restart peace talks.

Stefan Kornelius, a spokesman for Chancellor Friedrich Merz of Germany, said in a statement that Mr. Merz, President Emmanuel Macron of France and Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain had assured Mr. Zelensky during a call on Friday of “their continued and full support on the path to a lasting and just peace.” The statement did not explicitly mention the U.S.-Russian plan.

On their call, the leaders welcomed the U.S. efforts to end the war but insisted on a need to protect “vital European and Ukrainian interests in the long term.”.......
The Trump administration is pursuing multiple streams of diplomacy to end the war in Ukraine, and it is still unclear how the proposed 28-point plan fits into the administration’s overall strategy. Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, said on Thursday that the plan was still in “flux.”

But Ukrainian and European officials have already balked at the reported terms of the U.S.-Russia peace plan, which would also forgo any role for a Western peacekeeping force after a cease-fire.

“If Ukraine accepts this, there will be no Ukraine anymore,” Marko Mihkelson, the chairman of the Estonian Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee, wrote on X. “If Europe accepts this, we must prepare for a direct war with Russia.”

Mr. Starmer said after arriving in South Africa for a Group of 20 meeting being held this weekend that “we all want a just and lasting peace.”

“That’s what the president of America wants. That’s what we all want. And so we need to work from where we are to that end,” he said. “But the principle that Ukraine must determine its future under its sovereignty is a fundamental principle.”
There's more but this is the gist of it.

LostSon 43 Reviews 67 reads
posted
2 / 13
inicky46 61 Reviews 54 reads
posted
4 / 13

If the Times says it, it must be wrong. Loser HATES anything that doesn't fit with his retrograde and rigid views. So he condemns the source, but not what it says, which is obviously true. Unless you're a knuckle-dragger like Loser The Fake Patriot.

inicky46 61 Reviews 53 reads
posted
5 / 13

And why wouldn't he? It gives him everything he wants.
I'm betting he's got pictures of Trump getting peed on by Russian hookers. And Trump knows it.

inicky46 61 Reviews 50 reads
posted
6 / 13

Seems like their abandonment of Trump over Epstein has opened the floodgates. Will Trump now abandon his disastrous plan? How will Zelensky and the Europeans manage their way through this? The longer Trump stands by this disaster the more China will step up plans to invade Taiwan.
Our international standing was poor before this. Now it's non-existent.
Just another disaster for feckless Don.

inicky46 61 Reviews 50 reads
posted
8 / 13

EVERYONE here uses sources. And then there's snafool who simply makes shit up. In my case, if I use The NY Times I'm aware it's behind a paywall so instead of a link most can't open I cut and paste it. Most people appreciate that. Then there's snafool who makes blindingly ignorant comments and, yes, makes a fool of himself.
Perhaps he thought I was a State Department expert on Ukraine and didn't need to cite sources.
What a pinhead.
He is making a serious run at assuming the vacant title of SPOAT.

jazzman121847 111 Reviews 35 reads
posted
9 / 13

Since when is "a single thought of your own" needed when posting a reported story?  It's not. However, the OP does contain a thought of his own in asking what does Putin have on trump? Maybe you should keep thoughts of your own to yourself before you post such a foolish reply.

inicky46 61 Reviews 47 reads
posted
10 / 13

He becomes consumed by the need to comment but always steps on his own dick.

edinathens 48 reads
posted
11 / 13

From 'The Telegraph' article . . .
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Meaghan Mobbs, the daughter of Lt Gen Keith Kellogg, the US special envoy to Ukraine who announced last week that he would quit his post, claimed that the peace plan was originally written in Russian.
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Lt Gen Kellogg, a former national security adviser and retired general, has fallen out of favour with the Trump administration, which saw him as too sympathetic to Ukraine.
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Ms Mobbs suggested that the document was “not originally written in English”, pointing to transliteration errors, Russian political vocabulary and phrasing that is commonly used by Moscow.
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http://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-peace-plan-written-russia-105836111.html

edinathens 46 reads
posted
12 / 13

"Trump defends decision to abandon Kurdish allies in Syria" - October 8, 2019
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump cast his decision to abandon Kurdish fighters in Syria as fulfilling a campaign promise to withdraw from “endless war” in the Middle East, even as Republican critics and others said he was sacrificing a U.S. ally and undermining American credibility.
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Trump declared U.S. troops would step aside for an expected Turkish attack on the Kurds, who have fought alongside Americans for years, but he then threatened to destroy the Turks’ economy if they went too far.
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Even Trump’s staunchest Republican congressional allies expressed outrage at the prospect of abandoning Syrian Kurds who had fought the Islamic State group with American arms and advice. It was the latest example of Trump’s approach to foreign policy that critics condemn as impulsive, that he sometimes reverses and that frequently is untethered to the advice of his national security aides.
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http://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-syria-ap-top-news-international-news-politics-ac3115b4eb564288a03a5b8be868d2e5

inicky46 61 Reviews 44 reads
posted
13 / 13

Putin must be rubbing his hands in glee that this disinformation scam has created so much mischief. You'd think Trump would be embarrassed that he's been had. But he's beneath embarrassment.

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