He must be fired if anything is to be salvaged of our image. Allowing him to resign would give him too much honor.

His pompous arrogance will not allow him to. He does not think he has done anything wrong so he will not resign.

The impact of this news has been so widespread, deeply offending our closest allies, that Rumsfeld will be gone.  I would rather see Bush fire him than he resign.

See how bad the news is that even our own resident extremist, Ayatollah Bribite is denying these things actually happened!  See one of the earlier threads!

No true American tolerates these actions, unless too stupid to understand what American Values are.

Hell, he thinks they deserve it. It's not like they're white, after all.....

Here it is, from the Ayatollah Bribite himself, from a few threads below!!! It is about the abuse of the 76 year old Iraqi woman! Mind you the news source is Blair's assistant. I think his tiny conscious is awakened!

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"What a joke that article is!  No corroboration whatsoever, just this liberal MOP who "feels" it to be true.  "But she didn't say whether they included U.S. forces or commanders." Oh, and isn't that just so convenient.  At least scrappleface is meant to be satire!  

It's not amazing that it would be printed in a European newspaper, but what is amazing is that you are either gullible enough or jaded against your own country enough to give it anymore credence than any other gossip."
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so far, it does'nt seem appropriate. CEO's or Secrateries of Defense don't run off and quit everytime one of their subordinates fuck up. MOst of the time, they stay and fix it.

I'd like to hear more about what he knew and when he knew it. Of course it may turn out that his detractors succeed in painting his face as the face of evil around the world, in which case he could be rendered ineffective to lead, in which case he should resign. He may very well be there now.

At some point, a leader must put the welfare of the organization he has been selected to lead ahead of his own. From what I heard presented to the Senate, they were taking action well before the pictures surfaced, blowing everything into a firestorm.

I heard it mentioned and it is worth noting, that Congress knew about this back in January and NONE of them cared enough to call DOD to find out more. NOne of them. To what standard then will they hold the Secratry?

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there are no rules here and the moral logic could be argued endlessly.  If he DOES leave, can things go on and does his resignation produce a good result?  

True or not, the pentagon is seen to have major responsibility for post-way Iraq planning.  The post war period has not gone smoothly and many administration assumptions have not panned out.  Prisoner treatment is a story that will have legs -- it won't go away soon.  It has turned a lot of international opinion against the US.  If it hurts Bush with Swing voters, he can lose the election.  The SoD did a good job of handling Afgan... and Iraq.  However, we are not currently in a war planning and conduct mode right now & he could be replaced.  We will not be doing other large scale military actions soon -- we don't have the troops.  The SoD would be doing Bush a favor by getting ahead on the prisoner story and stepping down.  I'm sure he is considering this today.

"Bush says Rumsfeld doing a ‘superb job’
He endorses defense chief amid outcry over Iraq prison abuse"

QA, you're esteemed article is based on nothing more than gossip, get over yourself!  It seems that their has been severe misbehaviour by those entrusted with Iraqi prisioners.  I support court marshalls and punishment of those individuals.  The court marshalls are going to be public and even televised on Arab TV, hopefully this will help difuse the situation.  What offends me is your knee jerk reaction to believe even the most outrageous rumor, especially this one without even a modicum of evidence or pretense of investigation!

Puck, you're attempt to paint me as a racist only highlights your lack of resonable argument.

You are both too used to "scapegoat" leadership. (Which I might add is not leadership) Your hope that Bush will cave to what the polls are showing is a minority opinion, albeit loud and whiney group, and scapegoat Rumsfeld and in so doing further your political desires are just not going to happen.

You do a fine job of that all by yourself.

BTW, Matt Drudge, the conservative's friend, reports that the abuse of prisoners was widespread and that US officials were notified repeatedly. The White House claim that it came as a surprise is pure horseshit.

discrimination against minority groups no longer exists - quite the contrary.  Oh, and Bush didn't get into Yale based on discrimination, it was Yales' ``legacy'' practice - See the difference.

Let's not talk about James86, I mean I thought the Native Americans had it bad - Christ, I'm gonna cry now ... [Tito, get me a tissue]