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"Aleppo, Assad, Shia, Sunni and other curently relevant topics" for infidel.
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Just wrote this on a different forum as a response to a very convoluted description of the same topics and decided to copy it here.

"Boy this was one complicated explanation of something relatively simple! Here is my take on things:

Assad is Shia. In Syria (as well as in Islam) Shia are the minority. Majority are the Sunni. Since times immemorial Sunni and Shia hate each other no less then they hate "the Crusaders", i.e. majority of those posting into this thread.

Since Assad's dadda, Assad Sr., assumed power back in the day, not only did he become a Shia ruling over Sunni in a majority Sunni state, he also took some serious steps to secularize the country, which bought him little love from country's religious crowd in general, while among Sunnis simply placed him on the level of something resembling our notion of "antichrist". Since that day Syria's Sunnis were united by one all-superseding beautiful dream: "to cut Assads' throats" and put some Sunni in power so they could do to Shia what Shia is currently able to do to Sunni.

When events in Tunisia (called Arab "spring" which now, agree, sounds a bit odd not to say sadistic) finally dominoed into Syria, Syrian Sunnis saw their opportunity and rebelled.
Since Assads were long-time Russia's allies Obama administration naturally supported the rebellion, and that brought Syria to a proxy struggle between America and Russia which is continuing today. If Obama administration didn't support Syrian Sunnis, Assad would've easily crushed the rebellion at its inception and by now all would've been long back if not to love then at least to peace for sure.
Btw, ISIS is a Sunni organization whose immediate main objectives are amply implied by its name, ISIS stands for "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria", which is to topple secular Shia governments of Iraq and Syria and replace them with something resembling Saudi Arabia but with bit more of a religious zeal.

For those who are interested: the difference between Shia and Sunni in practical terms can be observed by comparing one of several traditionally structured Sunni states Saudi Arabia to the only traditionally structured Shia state Iran.

In Saudi Arabia King serves as both religious and administrative leader of the State. He does appoint Mufti to oversee day-to-day matters of the religious side of things but can overrule him if he so chooses. The same goes for ISIS where Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been designated as the caliph, i.e. the king, and is both administrative and religious leader of the organization.

In Iran those two positions are set up in exactly opposite way: the Ayatollah is the land's religious leader while the president is its VP Operations. Why VP? Because in traditional Shia state religious leader should always be able to overrule the country's administrator. Ayatollah is elected by Council of Experts which for our "gyaur" purposes let's call it a "Council of Ayatollahs", while president is elected democratically by the nation's populace.

What does it all remind you of? R-r-r-r-right! The Catholics (Shia) vs. Protestants or rather Anglicans (Sunni). Shia has Ayatollah (the Pope) while Saudis (and the like) have their own Henry VIIIs! :)

That's why Iran so vehemently supports other Shia governments in Syria and Iraq despite the later two being decidedly secular.

Turkey on the other hand find themselves in a bit more uncertain and difficult position. On one hand Turks, especially now with more religiously oriented Erdoğan naturally hate Shia Assad and would love to support fellow Sunnis. On the other hand they realize that fellow Sunnis they are facing across the border are either wacko "moderate" rebels that are anything but moderate or ISIS that want Turkey to go 2-500 years back in time. Turkey's main concern is that America gives Iraqi Kurds their independence and that would create huge issues among Kurds in Turkey. All that forces Turkey to be reactive rather then proactive. I kind of feel for them in that regard."

A real and concerning issue is "do we even have a horse in this race"? I think it's the old adage of being damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Neither Bush nor Obama came up with any real answers. Will Trump flounder just like them?

He will just bomb the shit out of them..

Posted By: CENZO1
A real and concerning issue is "do we even have a horse in this race"? I think it's the old adage of being damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Neither Bush nor Obama came up with any real answers. Will Trump flounder just like them?

Bomb the living shit out of whom?

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saltyballs305 reads

......and in other Muslim counties around the World. SA and Iran have both encouraged the spread of their virulent forms of Islam to various regions around the World, formenting religious mischief and violence. Eliminate these two countries and we will have enduring peace in the M.E. Clueless, successive U.S. governments have failed to see this fact.

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And how do you propose to do that? Nuke them? We'd have the whole world against us, and we will lose. Russia proved during this elections that America is vulnerable. DNC is a little thing, power grid is another. In terms of utilities, technology and life's comforts and defense capabilities America is much more centralized and interconnected then Russia or any other place for that matter.

And hy would that resolve anything? Saudi Arabia is not the only Sunni state out there. You'd just have another one taking its place.

GaGambler371 reads

How "clueless" of successive US governments not to have done this already. ROFLMFAO

Has this election finally pushed you over the fucking edge. This one post may have vaulted you into contention for SPOTY. I can't think of a stupider idea EVER.

Are you the same guy who has been berated Trump endlessly for his stance on Muslims?

Ok, while we are entertaining your idiocy, lets say with a magic wand we wipe out the countries Saudi Arabia and Iran, does that mean Israel is all of a sudden going to start singing kumbaya and having sleepovers with the likes of Syria, Yemen et al???  

Get help, get help NOW

JakeFromStateFarm421 reads

But as stupid as that idea was, for sheer stupidity it can't beat dimwits like FatVern, FG and swallowpee.

GaGambler307 reads

but the idea itself is SPOTY worthy.

Put it this way, what would you have said if someone like Gunny or Brook had suggested we simply "eliminate" two countries with combined population of well over 100 million people, not to mention two countries that together make up over 15% of the current worlds oil production? I can hear you right now rightfully laughing them off the board. As for SaltyBalls, he really seems to need one of those sympathy pigs as he seems to have lost it after the election

...read his PDBs, he won't read your post either.  You better put it in a video with naked women getting their pussies grabbed.  Then he might pay attention to it.

Trump doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, much less Shia from Sunni.  But Dubya didn't either and look what a great president he turned out to be!

86H13LTP287 reads

He doesn't micro-manage everything like Obama and Hitler . Both failures .  

Trump is a winner . You should pay close attention and learn something

Pence, as well as his recent expert appointees, read it every day and updates Trump and Trump has said that if any intel changes, he is available at a minutes notice to get the intel directly.

Also funny how all the "smart" people in the room (i.e. Barry) that read the PDB every day, ahem, have left Trump tons of horrific foreign policy disasters over many parts of the globe.

Yeah, lets try it Trump's way and see how we make out. LOL

Didn't seem to bother liberals back then did it?

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And there you are wrong. :) Not totally, and he probably doesn't know the difference between Shia and Sunni but I bet he does read everything that attracts his attention. And good thing about Trump is that he's open to anything that makes sense to him and doesn't go against his interests and/or agenda, irrespective of whether or not it's "appropriate". I already have personal experience with that.  

In regards to Shia and Sunni, I don't think too many people know about that, period. Even Wikipedia talks more about the event that brought that division about and omits talking of any practical, i.e. administrative, implications which in my opinion are obvious and ...huge! :)

86H13LTP354 reads

first lion food people  haven't figured it out after 15 years of war then they never will

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