Social and fiscal conservatives; put this in your pipe and smoke it!

For anyone, including those social conservatives who want to stop abortions, and fiscal conservatives who bemoan the cost of their tax dollars going to support pregnant teens and their offspring, how can you really not support free birth-control? It significantly reduces teen pregnancies, hence reducing abortions, and a fiscal conservative, who does not support it is being a penny wise while being a pound foolish.

Did they do it scientifically, to match the general public group of teens, or random? In other words, were the 1500 kids chosen representative of the country at large for that age group?  

The fact young people today practice safe is hurting the bottom line of the vaginal contraceptive manufacturers.  

I couldn't read Table 1, however given this part of the article: "The significant racial disparities in national teen pregnancy rates, which are higher in black and Hispanic communities, also shrank in the study population, the researchers found.

But at the principle level I would NEVER support any handout like that.. Why should it be free? Is it that expensive that kids can't afford condoms? The same teenagers will buy booze and cigarettes when they want to party. Why can't they afford to buy their own condoms?  Just a movie date costs about $35-40 at least these days.  

"Its not the question of being penny wise and pound foolish for "me" but rather accepting personal responsibility."

handouts operates. You start out with one handout and then to deal with the mess that the first handout creates, you create more handouts..

those who never learned to take personal responsibility. How much does that cost us? One learns that from parents who have demonstrated and taught how to do it. It's not so much a matter of taking hand outs; particularly if you're referring to social welfare programs. When it comes to sex, how responsible do you really think most teenagers are?

Silly lib.

You would rather have teen pregnancies, unwanted kids and throw them in the streets. Let’s not even abortions.

I prefer paying for the birth control over the baby momma's and their baby daddies in prison, or for their off-spring who, many will grow up to fill our prisons!

and that is he lumps both fiscal and social conservatives as opposing this.

I am most definitely a fiscal conservative, but being conservative doesn't mean not spending taxpayer money on anything. I would much rather spend money on birth control, and yes IMO that also includes abortion rather than be overwhelmed with children that end up being raised by the state or otherwise end of on the public dole.

The main reason that a fiscal conservative would object to this is not that it's a bad investment but because he most likely is a social conservative as well. I am rather liberal where it comes to social issues, so this is a no brainer for me, I support it fully.

Now Matt, you might want to reconsider the header on your OP, here are two "fiscal conservatives" that are not against our tax dollars being invested into programs that actually pay dividends. So APOLOGIZE!!! lol

I guess I missed that part, though it's just common sense that educating a person on the types of birth control and making it free would tend to make it less probable that they would become pregnant, if that is indeed their desire.  If I'm not mistaken, I think that's one of the main reasons adult men and women use birth control.  

my clarifying statements, regarding who I was directly addressing, within the subject line, so I did it in the 1st sentence in the post. And, you are correct, I can't see where a purely fiscal conservative would have a problem with spending money on birth control.

Maybe the baby mamas and teen sex machines pay for their own birth control and babies! And maybe the baby mama daddy can even share some of the responsibility (if she knows his name). OMG a third possibility you guys never even imagined! In what kind of backward, bizarro world should people be responsible for their actions???

"should?" What is? You can talk until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't make what should be, or shouldn't be a reality. Take Catholic women as an example. They are commanded by their priests not to practice birth control, while most of them have practiced at one time or another.

More dependence on government. No perceived consequences or risks. More victims for Uncle Sam (you and me) to support. More need for the launching pad to Socialism that is Obamacare.

It is a matter of taking handouts.. When the handouts are available, it discourages a segment of  from taking personal responsibility.  

The liberal mind is "FREE."  There is not such thing as "Free" birth control, even though the president himself has muddled the waters with that term.  

Explain handouts first. Then count to 100 and think for 30 minutes then validate your statement.

Being Penny wise and Pound Foolish.

Birth control has been around for very, very long time and it is very cheap. Besides, sound production principle state, as unit of production increases, the cost decreases exponentially.

Just because one is conservative, it does not mean he is looking for the economically cheapest means of doing something.  Sometimes other principles outweight the finances.

should never complain about having to food, house, and imprison babies that grow up unwanted, damaged and feel crime is the only way to get what they want.  

glad somebody was a perfect teenager, never met one that didn't make mistakes.  congratulations

"First, 90% of the people getting "Free" birth Control can afford it.  They just want to pay for something else, like cable TV a Smart Phone versus a flip phone or 100 other things."

I may be the one needing to apologize.

It does appear that the more religious one is, the more likely that person is to oppose this, regardless of what excuse that person uses to argue against it.

I am a pragmatist first and foremost, Teen pregnancy is a HUGE problem and has been for decades. Hey we offer "Free" spaying and neutering for our pets, and a litter of dogs costs a hell of a lot less than a child born to a 16 year old high school dropout who has no ability either emotionally or financially to raise a child.

The high upfront costs are a bit alarming, but I don't think we should simply dismiss this idea out of hand, just because people are calling it "free", and of course we all know that somebody has to pay for it. The real question should be, do we get a decent return on investment, and so far at least, it looks promising to say the least.

Some had girls and some had boys.  

No one is thinking of banning birth control.  Find one GOP candidate in the last 30 years who said that.

immunizations given at state-funded health departments?  Even if it's for the greater good of the whole?  

You KNOW Fungy is no more capable of counting up to a hundred, much less backwards from a hundred than he is holding his breath for the rest of the afternoon, but it would be fun watching him try. lamo

BTW What happened to your Nats yesterday???

FWIW I fully expect them to pummel Timmy today.

Now watch him throw a nono against you, and well I guess me as well as I plan on loading up on the Nats today. I may be too drunk to actually watch them after an afternoon of college football, but I've already put a bet in on them, I hope I don't bring a curse to your team by betting on them. lol

Yes. It has been around for years and is cheap.  But that is not what I am talking about. Nor am I saying it shouldn't be widely and cheaply available.  

I am very much in favor of immunizations.  However, I think that who ever can afford to pay for them themselves should do that and the govt can pay for those who can't

While we're calling each other names...

for $20 for a flu shot should, I also feel that if a person has diabetes and needs help and they are working and trying their very best that they should get the help they need.