Katrina and covid 19 expose their complete and total ineptitude.
Trump is lining his sights on the Governors, watch...Except for Florida of course.
You only get your news from PMS-DNC!
Well there is a whole bunch of facts outside of that TDS riddled network so let me help you out here.
Only TWENTY seconds into her latest nonsense, she puts up a stat comparing number of infections in the U.S. and Italy and of course the implication is that it is FAR worse in the U.S.
So she gives us about 273,000 for the U.S. and approx 120,000 for Italy.
The 273,000 in the U.S. is the per capita equivalent to.....ready?....
SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND Italians.
Thank you for letting me educate you as Rach and the gang has no interest in math, perspective or proper context.
-- Modified on 4/4/2020 3:36:39 PM
Good lord are you an idiot.
Italy has shut down their country for close to a month and their daily infections are down to less than 5K a day and dropping. And are weeks ahead of the USA in terms of overall time course. Meanwhile, the US still has no nationwide stay at home order and is adding close to 50K new infections per day and is continuing to accelerate.
You crowing about us currently having a per capita infection rate of 1/5th that of Italy either shows willful ignorance of the situation or lack of intelligence capable of understanding context.
The numbers you are bragging about are going to age poorly. Let's just check back in a week shall we?
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We are not adding 50k new infections per day. Yesterday was 32k genius.
Italy had 681 deaths in last 24 hours. That is the U.S. equivalent to 3,750. Per the Bill Gates funded group, we are projected to top out at 2,600 per day approx 10 days from now which would be FAR below Italy.
Could the model be wrong? Of course. But as we speak today, and using a model from someone I would hope you wouldn't consider a right winger, your math is just faulty.
And why are you SO troubled to provide context to the numbers Rach gave us? What are you so afraid of? She deliberately deceived her viewers. Thanks for not giving a shit about the truth.
-- Modified on 4/4/2020 3:37:56 PM
Oh. My. God. If you really want to quibble...per the CDC...the number of newly reported cases between April 2nd and April 3rd is 37,926. So just under 38K. So we're both wrong. There. But I noticed you failed to respond to the fact that the US is at 38K infections per day and climbing while Italy is at less than 5K per day and dropping which illustrates the ridiculousness of the point you are making.
But don't let that detract from the idiocy of your post that caused me to reply in the first place. That you misinterpreting the current infection numbers of the USA vs. Italy as of today in such an epic way as to think we are handling this infection 500% better than they did.
I didn't watch what Maddow said, so if she misrepresented something as well, then shame on her.
Her being wrong doesn't change the fact that you haven't demonstrated in any way that you actually understand what is happening. Among other things, Italy has a case fatality rate of 12.5% because the vast majority of their cases happened in a concentrated area which vastly overwhelmed the area health care resources leading people to die who otherwise wouldn't have. To try and do an apples to apples comparison to the entire United States where the infections are spread out over an area containing more heath resources is just another way you show that you just don't get it. A better comparison would be to compare Italy with New York. Currently NY has a case fatality rate of about 3% and they are about a week away from max resource utilization. Again...let's wait a week and see just how ridiculous your comparisons look then.
As for why I'm trying to give YOU some proper context? I couldn't care less about what Rachel Maddow says. But you...you confidently bask in your ignorance. What...the sum of your research is what? A few hours of Fox News, DJT's daily presser, and reading the Daily Caller and a few other right wing websites? Because clearly you haven't the faintest background in epidemiology, public health, or health care. Your constant cheerleading for what can only be described as a disaster of leadership is tiresome.
-- Modified on 4/4/2020 5:42:45 PM
This one has his first posts on TER(using this name) today yet he has reviews going back to 2002.
I wonder if he will try to tell us he is new here like someone “once” did ?
I cannot say for 100% sure but I have to suspect that if a guy has reviews going back to 2002 that he must have posted from time to time under an alias …maybe several aliases. Don’t get me wrong I have no problem with a person posting under an alias.
Just sayin'
Nope...first time poster. Haven't ever felt the need to participate. But this is different. This is an area I have some degree of expertise in. And right now ignorance of science and facts are literally costing lives and costing unnecessary economic hardship.
This country deserves better than what we are getting, and I've had enough of the people unwilling or unable to call out poor leadership and poor results for what they are.
not good at it
Yes you are a first time poster under this name but you are not good at hiding your posting style.
not that you have style just talking about the way you post
you got caught so just be man enough to admit you "once'" posted under other names.
Listen...you can think what you want.
As someone rightly pointed out...I have reviews here in Texas starting in 2002 going through 2003 in Texas. Then my hobby habits changed and there's one more review in 2015 of someone who splits her time between NYC and London.
So if it makes sense to you that I made up another name only to do one review in 2003 of someone in Detroit, then switched back to my first name to do another review 12 years later, all while participating in forums for a while under the second name, and then switch to back to the first 2002 name for some random reason...go right ahead.
I'll tell you what though...this conspiracy theory of yours is distracting from the issue. That even at this stage of things there are correct steps to take going forward that will save lives and lessen the economic effects to all of us and that our current leadership is doing almost none of them.
I am the “someone” who rightly pointed out you have reviews going back to 2002.
I never said, suggested or implied that you made up different names for reviews.
I very clearly said and here is the quote
“I cannot say for 100% sure but I have to suspect that if a guy has reviews going back to 2002 that he must have posted from time to time under an alias …maybe several aliases. Don’t get me wrong I have no problem with a person posting under an alias.
Just sayin'”
You see I said that I suspect you POSTED under an alias NOT reviewed under an alias or other names.
How you came up with this stupid bullshit is beyond me
To quote you
“So if it makes sense to you that I made up another name only to do one review in 2003 of someone in Detroit, then switched back to my first name to do another review 12 years later, all while participating in forums for a while under the second name, and then switch to back to the first 2002 name for some random reason...go right ahead.”
That is a total and intentional distortion of what I said, a lie
You’re Welcome
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Listen...you can think what you want.
As someone rightly pointed out...I have reviews here in Texas starting in 2002 going through 2003 in Texas. Then my hobby habits changed and there's one more review in 2015 of someone who splits her time between NYC and London.
So if it makes sense to you that I made up another name only to do one review in 2003 of someone in Detroit, then switched back to my first name to do another review 12 years later, all while participating in forums for a while under the second name, and then switch to back to the first 2002 name for some random reason...go right ahead.
I'll tell you what though...this conspiracy theory of yours is distracting from the issue. That even at this stage of things there are correct steps to take going forward that will save lives and lessen the economic effects to all of us and that our current leadership is doing almost none of them.
Laffy gets so excited that he has a new friend and it always ends the same way; just another fraud spouting bogus numbers with all his Trump hatred.
"Did you know your conspiracy theory is distracting from the issue."
Translation:
"Fuck, FM is on to me and I have to divert!"
LMAO!
You busted ANOTHER one! His "facts" are as good as "Once" as well. Remember Once had the 34% nonsense he wouldn't dare back off of re: Trump support? LOL
And now he pulls 50k infections per day out of his ass. BUSTED.
But I guess we all should listen to him bc he self proclaims he has "some" expertise in this area. LOL
Yet he is too dumb and too lazy to look up several widely linked sites here to care about the real numbers and facts.
If I want to engage with a dumb, lazy, raging TDS loon, I'd just as soon talk to LTM&L.
How many Emmys has Hannity won?
I am well aware snowflake liberals feel the need to give other liberals awards to make them feel all warm and cozy. Duh.
Now could you address why she so blatantly deceived her viewers, like yourself apparently, or did you want to bring up Tucker Carlson next?
But looking at the numbers this is what's interesting.
We tested double what Italy tested. We have more then double of the COVID19 cases as Italy, which makes sense.
Our mortality rate is 2.5% of the cases. As time goes I think the mortality rate will diminish.. But the number are striking similar to Italy. Big problem is that we don't know the real numbers due to insufficient testing...we just don't know.
If the Italian mortality rate is approx 12.5% and the U.S. is approx 2.5%, how would our numbers be "strikingly similar to Italy?"
Our mortality rate is about to spike as NY, Detroit, and New Orleans are about to run out of ventilators and doctors will be forced to give pain meds and comfort care to people that otherwise could have been saved. And that's just the first wave of cities. Then we'll see about the cities in Georgia, Florida and Texas that will follow shortly after that.
Of course, wouldn't it have been nice if there were a centralized command and control that could utilize the greatest logistical force known to mankind (the US Military) that could quickly move resources and personnel continually from areas currently doing fine to areas that aren't? Wouldn't it be great when in a few weeks when NYC is over its horrific and tragic peak, we could efficiently move the equipment they no longer need to Atlanta, or Chicago, or wherever else it is needed? But thinking like that is beyond the idiots running this shitshow.
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while ADullerimage proves he's a partisan hack who couldn't care less about the facts.
What the hell is wrong with you? I disagree with the actions that have been taken to address this crisis and that makes me partisan. How sad your existence has to be that everything has to be a left wing vs. right wing issue. Oh...haha...duller image. Just like Sleepy Joe, and Crooked Hillary. How original.
Guess what? More than anything I wanted Trump and his team to get this right. I want him to get things right going forward, fix the problems that are happening now, and some how end up with results that are even better than the most optimistic of estimates. If that happens, you, followme, and everyone else rooting for him to dust Biden this fall will most likely get your wish. And I will sleep at night perfectly fine if that happens.
And what are these "facts" that you seem to think I don't care about? Do you actually want to discuss issues? Or just name call?
...Here are just a few of MANY times he's proudly referred to himself as an "asshole":
"I have a VERY well deserved reputation for being an asshole..."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/ok-i-can-beat-that-one-960594?frmSearch=1#960594
"I wear the label "asshole" like a badge of honor."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/i-dont-mind-being-labeled-at-all-953068?frmSearch=1#953068
"I am however an admitted "asshole" and have been often accused of wearing it like a badge of honor."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/i-dont-think-i-have-ever-been-accused-of-being-a-pompous-ass-952222?frmSearch=1#952222
"It's fine for me to be an asshole, no matter how big an asshole I am here..."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/i-was-not-mean-i-was-honest-lol-935143?frmSearch=1#935143
"... a self admitted asshole like me..."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/after-checking-out-your-one-review-and-the-handful-of-posts-you-have-made-934148?frmSearch=1#934148
"Everyone knows I am an asshole..."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/sorry-maddy-but-i-cant-buy-that-one-either-930619?frmSearch=1#930619
An asshole doesn't want to have a sensible dialogue. GaG doesn't want to discuss issues in a rational manner because he's not smart enough to do it. He's admitted that he's both a high school and college dropout. Deep inside he knows he's intellectually inferior. That's why he's an asshole and a board bully and has to brag about all the women he allegedly fucks. He name calls because he can't compete intellectually without resorting to ad hominem attacks.
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And for the record I have given up trying to "discuss issues" with people with TDS, it's a complete waste of my time. I guess I will settle for name calling, AND having actual discussions with people worth talking to.
Oh fuck, I just got done saying I wasn't going to reply to you, Oh well, consider this my final FUCK YOU!!!! to you. toodles
Ok, one last thing, TDS in itself is not enough to make me quit responding to someone here, Happy, Imp, and Inicky ALL suffer from TDS and I still talk to them. Prove you are not a partisan hack and I'll reconsider. Otherwise please Go Fuck Yourself.
If you would like to prove to the class that you are not "once" just make a post using this handle on the same thread as one where "once" has posted and if your post is allowed to remain by admin then I will concede that you must be two different people. Of course if you are "once" and you do this, most likely you will lose your posting privileges for knowingly breaking the rules.
The ball is in your court.
Post a link and I'll be happy to. It's your challenge after wall.
Meanwhile...its good to know you've admitted to being so closed minded as to being incapable of evaluating information on its own merits and that who says something is more important that what is actually being said. Makes perfect sense though.
And while I doubt it is, if that's the last thing you write to me, then I wish you well in being so arrogant about your own ignorance. Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect some day. I'm just glad that you lack the self awareness to know how it makes you look.
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FM nailing this fraud, or BigPOS totally losing it about you calling yourself an asshole! LOL
Talking about BigPOS, and not TO him, is clearly killing him. He really took the time to research and post all those posts that you are open and proud about???? Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
What an idjit!!!
I didn't bother reading any of them, but if they reference something I actually said, than I am sure I meant whatever I said.
Back to Once. He made a post only a couple of days ago, if Duller wants to PROVE that FM (and me) are full of shit all he has to do is comment on that thread. TER rules prohibit posting under your alias and your "real" fake name in the same thread, so it's something VERY easy for him to disprove if we're wrong about him.
Remember how all the lefties were slobbering all over themselves about how FM was the "dumb Righty" I am truly enjoying watching the dumb righty running circles around the "smart" libs. lmao
...They're posting on a fuckboard about a poster using an alias and openly trying to out that alias by speculating as to his real handle. Oh, and they're being so discreet about it by only saying "Once." They think they are not outing an alias/real handle by only saying "Once." How clever!
WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!! Only losers with no life speculate as to the alias of a handle on a fuckboard. GaG, FM and JackSquat have so little going on in their pitiful lives that they sit around guessing which handle is using which alias. Pathetic!!
And speaking of "dumb righties," there are no dumber righties than GaG and JackSquat. It's bad enough that dumb righty followme is openly trying to out an alias - GaG and JackSquat jump in to aid and abet him. Fucking morons!
...have time to search and post SIX quotes from you ALL saying the same thing. LOL
WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!! Only losers with no life would "out" something you are proud of on a fuckboard.
#WeAreSoUnderBigPosSkinHeIsMeltingDown
...It takes about ten seconds to do a search like I did.
And I didn't "out" the fact that GaG is proud that he's an asshole. I simply was informing "ASharperImage" of that fact because I consider him to be new to the Politics board. I don't spend my life playing "Concentration" with handles and aliases like GaG, JackSquat and especially followme do.
Hey everybody - JackSquat says isn't talking to me. See, he doesn't reply to my post. Instead, he answers my post by replying to GaG's post. That means he's not talking to me? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! How fucking juvenile are these righties. They should make a remake of "Mean Girls" about the characters JackSquat and GaGambler. Oooooo, I can't sit at their lunch table. I'm melting down!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!
BrokeBackStabber (a name well earned) is now having a hissy fit over aliases.
That is pretty fucking funny too.
This is the guy who mocked, ridiculed and insulted the dead son of a TER poster.
When called out on it he whines and cries that, that poster cannot prove his son was killed.
But BrokeBackStabber cannot prove it is not so. Therefore in his demented mind it is ok to over many posts continue making fun of a dead person, and he is now having a shit hemorrhage over an alias.
As BrokeBackStabber says doing a search is real easy, though I’ll not claim to be as expert as he, this was real easy to find.
Yes several years ago BrokeBackStabber bragged about engaging in sex acts with animals and animal cruelty.
A provider saying (on a black list ) that he His dead fish breath is pretty funny too
You are whining, crying and complaining that gag has to make “everything” left vs right.
You want to talk about a sad existence, your boy LTM&L is the epitome of a sad existence. He (and many others on the left) makes everything left vs right. Not only on this board but LTM&L brings it to the general board too, and has been criticized and bitch slapped on that board for doing so.
As for “just name call”. More Projection. Why don’t you look at your good pal LTM&L who does it much, much more than anyone? Why don’t you get on his case for name calling?
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We also don’t know the real numbers with regard to coronavirus “related” deaths. Although there currently are attempts to standardize criteria to define Covid19 as a specific disease entity, individual coroners are still faced with “listing the cause of death”. For example, it’s an easy call if a young 35 year old with no other health issues, contracts the virus and then dies of respiratory failure. But what about the 85 year old in a nursing home who has COPD or congestive heart failure who then unfortunately gets the coronavirus and succumbs. I guess you could say it’s the feather that breaks the camel’s back, but can you say that the coronavirus is the “cause” of death; or even how “related” it is? I think this is why we’re getting various estimates from different entities. It’s not like the NFL, where if two linemen simultaneously sack the quarterback, they each get credited with half a sack. There’s no way we can apportion a numerical percentage to the various disease entities when a person dies.
Let's say the 85 yo, who's pretty fucked up..So if I put a pillow over her and suffocate her to death, Did I commit murder? Or was she a goner anyways so, just fuck it?? Do I get a "Get out of jail" card?
A better question is do you withhold treatment from someone whose chances of survival are poor so as to give it to someone whose chances are better? That’s assuming of course that you only have a limited treatment modality available. It’s called triage. Hopefully we won’t come to that in this current crises in this country. I think there were some references on this board to articles that said Italy had to address that.
There is a huge difference between dying "from" COVID and simply dying "with" COVID.
That 85 year old that you just smothered, even if she had COVID, didn't die "from" COVID, you murdered her, but she most likely would be listed as someone who died "from" COVID which simply would not be true.
Let's say she was 95, with a severe case of lung cancer and barely holding her own in a nursing home, and then COVID comes along and she catches COVID just before dying from her cancer. Would that be a death "from" COVID? Or simply someone who died "with" COVID?
There is an old saying that I love. "Figures don't lie, but liars figure" A person can make numbers say pretty much anything they want to if they start with a predetermined conclusion and then work to make the numbers support that conclusion.
Call me simple but....What did granny in?
There is a huge difference between dying "from" COVID and simply dying "with" COVID.
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In the early days of the recovery, Trump complained about the rising death counts. To Trump, the only deaths caused by Maria were those that occurred during the storm itself: death by flying telephone poles, death by being blown off the roof, death by drowning in your car when swept out to sea, ... As the death toll mounted, Trump complained that it was fake news and people were trying to blame Trump or make him look bad by inflating the number of deaths.
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Different groups of analysts will use different criteria (that they should disclose in their reports) to come up with measures of the direct and indirect lethality of the pandemic.
Maria's death count was recalculated by Puerto Rico in order to get more MONEY. In contrast Katrina was deemed to have caused barely half as many as Maria. CLEARLY the "standards" used were not standard at all.
As I said, "figures don't lie, but liars figure" in your example CLEARLY somebody was lying. You of course immediately concluded that it was Trump who lied.
COVID is going to be much the same where it comes to trying to determine just how many people have died, and are going to die from this virus. The one thing I am100% POSITIVE of, is that there will be no universal number that people will agree on.
Speaking of liars, does ANYBODY believe the numbers coming in from the PRC?
There were multiple studies of the hurricane aftermath and they were in general agreement about its consequences, ~3000 deaths. None of them held to "6 to 18" or even "64" deaths.
http://www.npr.org/2018/09/13/647377915/trump-denies-death-toll-in-puerto-rico-falsely-claims-done-by-the-democrats
Trump Denies Almost 3,000 Died In Puerto Rico, Falsely Claims Democrats Inflated Data
"President Trump denied the death toll of nearly 3,000 from hurricanes Maria and Irma, which swept across Puerto Rico a year ago, in a series of tweets Thursday morning. "3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico," he tweeted. "When I left the island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths." ..."
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"... Some Republicans also criticized the president's tweet. Florida Gov. Rick Scott, who is running for the U.S. Senate in a state where many Puerto Ricans moved after the devastating hurricanes, tweeted that he disagrees with Trump and that "an independent study said thousands were lost and Gov. Rosselló agreed. I've been to Puerto Rico 7 times & saw devastation firsthand. The loss of any life is tragic," Scott continued, "the extent of lives lost as a result of Maria is heart wrenching." The campaign of Rep. Ron DeSantis, a strong ally of Trump's who is the GOP nominee for Florida governor, said in a statement, "[DeSantis] doesn't believe any loss of life has been inflated.""
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/13/real-danger-trumps-baseless-tweet-questioning-puerto-rico-death-toll/
Trump’s dangerous tweet about the Puerto Rico death toll
"President Trump is a conspiracy theorist. And on Thursday, his conspiracy theory du jour was that Democrats somehow oversold the official death toll in Puerto Rico last year — a toll that a recent study found is near 3,000 — “in order to make me look bad.” The baselessness of it is one thing; the potential real-life impact is another. And that potential impact is this: People might take hurricanes such as Hurricane Florence, which is set to hit the Carolinas within 24 hours, less seriously. ... At the time, Limbaugh agreed that liberals were using hurricanes to push their climate-change agenda, but even he admitted, “There has been no politics. This is a serious, bad storm.” ... "
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"... Trump is inherently suggesting that the government can’t be trusted to be a neutral arbiter of storm impact. And even some Republicans are differing with Trump -- albeit mostly gently. House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said he had no reason to doubt the official death toll, and Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) emphasized that “an independent study said thousands were lost.” Retiring Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) accused Trump of crying “fake news” because the news hurt his image. “How can you be so self-centered and try to distort the truth so much?” she said rhetorically. "It’s mind-boggling.” ..."
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"... But Trump also has a devoted base that often buys into his conspiracy theories in large numbers. That base is largely skeptical of what the government does and says — and is largely skeptical of climate change. Trump’s tweets Thursday are perfect for fertilizing the already-existent seed of doubt that others have planted about the true severity of hurricanes. ..."
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"A DEVOTED BASE THAT BUYS INTO HIS CONSPIRACY THEORIES IN LARGE NUMBERS."
Maria's death count was recalculated by Puerto Rico in order to get more MONEY. In contrast Katrina was deemed to have caused barely half as many as Maria. CLEARLY the "standards" used were not standard at all.
As I said, "figures don't lie, but liars figure" in your example CLEARLY somebody was lying. You of course immediately concluded that it was Trump who lied.
COVID is going to be much the same where it comes to trying to determine just how many people have died, and are going to die from this virus. The one thing I am100% POSITIVE of, is that there will be no universal number that people will agree on.
Speaking of liars, does ANYBODY believe the numbers coming in from the PRC?
I would say, as Happy says to me all the time that "I expected better from you" but the honest truth is that this is EXACTLY what I expected from you. It's not quite as bad as LTM quoting himself saying something once before as PROOF that it actually happened, but it's pretty close. I suppose I could simply quote Mike Pence supporting Donald Trump on an issue as PROOF that Trump was right. Nah, I'll leave the lying to you libs. You have so much practice at it.
Many Republicans thought the analyses were fine: "House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said he had no reason to doubt the official death toll, and Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) emphasized that “an independent study said thousands were lost.” Retiring Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) accused Trump of crying “fake news” because the news hurt his image. “How can you be so self-centered and try to distort the truth so much?” she said rhetorically. "It’s mind-boggling.” ...""
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There is not one sane person that thinks the body counting should stop the moment the skies clear from the hurricane.
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But Trump always thinks it's about him and his image and not about planning or preparedness or saving lives or protecting the masses.
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There will be non-respiratory deaths that can likely be linked to CV.
The guy is a fuck - up. The racists of America gave him presidency because they want to overturn Obama's policies, stop any civil and racial progress, and of course they are scared as hell of the rumor that America is getting Brown. Nobody was willing to do the dirty job so they were thrilled to give it to this deranged bafoon. Well how is it working out so far and how many of your family member the Trump virus killed so far.