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70,000 turned out for Kerry in a key battleground state. (eom)
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2sense8446 reads

Kerry and Clinton in Philly today!

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NAUGHTIUSMAXIMUS8953 reads

It's Bill Clinton not Jesus Christ! I think the billing is all wrong too. Shouldn't it be Clinton and Kerry? Let's face it, that's why they're there

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2sense8445 reads

"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?" LOL


BTW, "The Rising" refers to Bruce Springsteen's album, not Jesus Christ, and the great work that Springsteen has been doing to help Kerry get elected. Have you been under a rock?

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NAUGHTIUSMAXIMUS7768 reads

I simply choose to ignore bubbleheads (of both party affiliations) that use their celebrity in an attempt to sway voters who haven't the intelligence to form their own opinions. I suppose if you look at it that way, I would have to agree that I have been under a rock when it comes to Mr. Springsteens evangelical efforts on behalf of the "defeat Bush" cause. That's really what it's all about anyway, isn't it? The election of JFK should the effort succeed would just be a side effect.

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2sense9325 reads

It is interesting that you choose to relate both my initial allusion to Springsteen's "The Rising" to Christ's resurrection, and  also Springsteen's work for Kerry as "evangelical".

The whole point of Springsteen's exercise is to restore the separation between church and state that has been so seriously eroded by George W.'s ascension to power. The world is justifiably suspicious when a U.S. controlled by the Christian right acts to impose their views by force-of-arms. When George W. initially described his invasions into Afghanistan/Iraq as a "crusade", it was widely translated into Arabic as "The War of the Cross". No wonder George W. & Co. have had such a tough sell, when they claim that all the U.S. is doing is spreading "democracy". Today's LATimes notes that there are three concepts that the University of Baghdad-trained interpreters could not translate into the language of Hussein's Iraq: debate, tolerance and compromise. No wonder that the growing Iraqi insurgency has instead cast George W.'s actions into something they understanding all too well - the religious war between Christianity and Islam.  

What this election is about (or should be) is to restore secular government to being "reality-based", as opposed to the "faith-based" City of God promoted by George W., Cheney and their fellow neo-cons.

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MrSelfDestruct9379 reads

You two are getting me excited.

Seriously, while I am aware you both know your stuff, I have to say, 2, that last post kinda made me wish you was a lady. :)

Keep it up, guys.

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2sense6724 reads

LOL!

Sorry MSD, Naughtius doesn't want to play any more on this thread. Too bad, as things were just starting to rev up. Oh well.

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llcar7781 reads

Just say  ``Naughtius ... come out to playeeaay''


Sorry, couldn't resist.

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NAUGHTIUSMAXIMUS8527 reads

I wouldn't be too interested in the connection between my reference to JC and my use of the word "evangelical" when writing of Mr. Springsteens exercise. There is no connection. I'm uninformed (intentionally so) about the particulars of BS's activities to restore the separation of church and state. The underside of my rock is not so flat that I can't stick my head out and be informed about his political affiliation and respect his views. BS is obviously well informed, has read the US constitution, understands the founders intentions and would have no problem pointing out exactly where the words "Separation of Church and State" appear in the  US Constitution.
GW's "erosion" of that concept hasn't affected my life at all. I'm fine with my kids reciting the pledge in it's entirety and having the Ten Commandments displayed publically. I don't necessarily subscribe to the Christian right point of view by and large, but is it really all that bad? Do they decapitate you if you don't agree with them? The founders were Christians. This is basically a Christian dominated society. Why should the majority submit to the minority?
It's really too bad that the concepts put to interpreters you referred to could'nt be translated into Arabic. Those are three terms that advanced societies easily understand and embrace. That's why our language is filled with words derived from other cultures. It helps us to understand and fill the gaps. Maybe it's time that the Middle East got out of the time warp they've been in and stepped into this century.

2sense, you're obviously very well read,well informed and I will not start nor will I perpetuate an argument on politics. I've been lurking this particular board since its inception and have held back up to this point. Posting my point of view would have been easy using an alias so I could have hit and run as others have done here but my local board knows how I feel on that subject. I much prefer to stand behind what I say. This can go on and on just as it has since this Republic was formed. I respect your views and you can respect mine (or not) just as the founders intended or we can pull up endless quotes  supporting our points of view. Let us all decide next Tuesday.



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