"The hobbiest controls the flow of money and so controls the business. All who posted above were here long ago.....and will be here long after the current crop of gals has moved on."  "This is a hobbiest board, created by a hobbiest for hobbiests." "WHY DOES HE NEED PERMISSION TO REVIEW HERE?  This is called "The Erotic Review," and is ostensibly a review board of HOBBYISTS sharing their experiences and opinions (good, bad, or indifferent) with OTHER HOBBYISTS."

I don't think I need to be told any clearer about what the Message Board is for!
I guess it doesn't matter that I asked specifically NOT to be reviewed. If I was a rip off or misrepresented myself, it would be different.

I think you mis interpert the post altogether..It was not a flame or slam against you in any way.  It certainly was not a clash but rather a blanket statement that says a Hobbyist should be free to post any review they want as long as the review is accurate and factual...Certainly you have the right to ask you clients not to post reviews if that is your wish....however, if the client decides to post anyway you then have a decision to make, see him again or not...Hobbyist make informed decisions on what they read or acertain from reviews..Most providers want reviews as that is a way to "get the word out" about their service...

The inference that there is a Clash is unfounded and simply not the case....its too bad you believe that.  I don't know you personally but have no reason to believe you are nothing more than a very nice person with good intentions...

Everyone has brought up some valid points.  It seems that some of the hobbiests are thinking that we only want positive reviews.  I cannot speak for every provider but I think that reviews are a great tool that help bring both the hobbiest and the provider together for a hopefully nice experience.

If a guy has a bad time because the girl was not into it, rushed him, upsold herself, didn't provide a good service, was rude, unclean, a rip-off, etc....then yes, she should get a poor review based on that.  Even if her other reviews are nice, it may reflect an off-day.  This is where consistency is the key.

The issue below is that the guy specifically stated that it was not the girl, but he who was not up to par.  He still posted the review which by just the numbers was probably unfair.  I read the whole review and he implied that his session was so good that it ended quickly for him during bj.  She must have done something good if it happened for him so quickly.  How is that bad?

So here's a question.....If a provider must do certain things in order to get above a 7 for performance, is it fair to give a low number if she does things that qualify her for an 8,9,or 10?  It seems that if a guy feels the girl was a 9 in performance to him, but according to the ratings system, they knock it down to a 7 because she did not do enough, then is it fair that the girl can do things that should qualify her for a 9 or 10 but the guy only rates her as a 5,6 or 7?  I am not trying to be a wise-ass, I am truly being sincere in my question.  It seems if it works one way, it should work the other way as well.

The problem lies in the confusion of the numbers ratings more than the reviews themselves.  There are still a lot of people out there, especially newbies who don't know how the number system is based.

There is really not a reason for there to be a clash, but a couple of guys really have gotten on a nasty defensive.  Yes, TER is for hobbiests.  Yes, it is for reviews.  The message board is for just that, messages. Messages are not(or shouldn't be reviews). It's a way we can communicate with each other and have fun.  I cannot tell you how many guys have seen me because they like my posts.  Who cares what the topics are.........some people find this board as a safe haven to express themselves about anything.  Lots of guys and girls are afraid to post on the Phoenix board because it is a tougher and more unkind board than some of the others.

And as far as honesty goes(since honest reviews has been the issue with some guys), how many shill posts have we seen on this board almost daily for the past year???  You don't see them in other places like you do here.  Ok, go ahead and flame me for that one, but you want honest and most of us know, that's honest.

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I heard all of you and this is not meant to be a personal attack on anyone but this is a review board and there should be the freedom of speech whether it is good or bad. This helps us all fellow hobbyist make informed decision when we spend our hard earn money...

to the discussion.  The rating system is what it is.  I have had reviews lowered by TER in the past when I did not think it was justified.  But even if that happens the narrative really tells the story if it is presented accurately....that is really the key to the hobbyist.  Does he read a low number, yes sure he does.  If the narrative is factual it may relect a 8 or 9 experience even though the number may be a 7.....

Schilling is a part of the board and will always be here.  It is done on other boards some more than others.  Many of the boards and the moderators even allow "mini-reviews" to go up when someone new is in town or a new girl is on the scene....We both know this board is for marketing purposes and if a provider is continually positive and non confrontational she will get a lot of play from this board because the hobbyist will be comfortable with her.....

You have always been positive as far as I have know and thanks for adding to this thread.

Just honest interpretations/opinions about what the board is for and how it should be used. Without reviews and without the channels of communication TER brings, I would not be in this hobby. Toooo risky.

Yes, clear communications serves all participants.

What seems to be missing in this discussion is this:

A poster asked about writing a review, a lady responded "is it me you are talking about"? (or something to that effect). The community has yet to see a confirmation that it was indeed the lady being talked about.

If the guy posted the question, then went ahead and wrote a review without even waiting for feedback; then he, IMO, just wasted peoples time. Others in that thread below stated the same thing.

As for a clash, I don't see one. You know me well enough to know I value honesty and an open discourse.

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then why not just move on and not post here. you have every right to be "UTR" {many of my favorites are}....but you cant be both UTR and have a public personna {thats linked to your professional identity} IMO....

I think too many people are getting in an uproar about this whole review process. The review system -- although I don't agree with some of the rules -- can be good and bad, but it is there for the hobbyists. However, the Board has become sort of a chat room. And you know what? That's okay, because some people feel the need to vent, to express their happiness, their sadness, to feel the companionship that might be lacking, and the need for social interaction. I've also scheduled appointments because of my posts and responses, so obviously some men like women who voice their opinions. After all, we're not just pretty faces.

Reviews are just that: They are located in the review section. The Board has always been known for "shills" and it's becoming more apparent within the last year (especially with agencies). But who cares? If you don't like something, you can voice your opinion. If it's not worth it, then move on.

I understand the need for hobbyists saying that this Board was initially started for them, but time changes everything on this planet. Life moves forward.

Seriously guys: I know a lot of you have fun bantering back and for with us "mere" providers. Without us, the Board wouldn't show off our personality. However, if you'd like all of us to stop posting, we could do that. That means, we won't even post when we're having a special. And we won't post when we agree with you, too. Wink! Again, you cannot set limits when chatting, other than deleting malicious behavior and personal attacks on the Board. Funny, but I don't see that in play anyway on TER. There have been thousands of rude replies and bad language since I start posting on TER about five years ago. Yes, we know TER is a "boy's club" but do you have to keep reminding us that we're still living in a male-dominated society? Enough already. We already know how TER started. Would you like to play with us on the Board and only allow our flirtateous comments without having the ability to also be objective about something -- like you guys do? Gees! I think I'm going to have to tongue whip some of you. Wink!

Hugs,
Ciara

I leveled a bit of criticism at Chilopsis for doing something unfair, but I think Hacker's point is also well-taken.  A provider can't post pictures of herself in this forum along with invitations to call, and then ask the members to not use the forum to discuss their experiences, when they do so.  The clash here is between Diana and Chilopsis, and probably should have never been dragged out into the open (because that just gave it a life of its own!)

Actually, does anybody even know who chilopsis was talking about?

I know Diane theorized it was herself, but I've not seen any confirmation from the guy.

But, I do agree with the generalization; though. If a provider uses this forum as a marketing aid, then it isn't really fair to have a no review policy.

BTW, for your post above - you do get the nerd award for the week!

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She posted a complaint about somebody giving her a 5/6 rating, he just reviewed Diana and gave a 5/6, she referenced his original post about it being him, not her, and Diana's previously posted ads as wndrwmn25.  You don't have to work for CSI to make the connection.

But, she also started her post wondering "is it me you are talking about?"

Make me think she had doubts. BTW, I do work for CSI

I think she was expressing more incredulity than doubt, because the review he posted (as I previously stated) seemed to very clearly reveal a different spin than what came out in the review.  Perhaps you could do some DNA testing to get to the bottom of this!  LOL.

if the review in question was actually fair. Roxanne commented above that the guy popped pretty quickly during bbbj....now who among us wants to lie 1st and say that never happened...

You cant fault a gal for being good (or to good) at what she's doing....now if she hopped out of bed and started the shower you have a complaint.

It's not a common occurence for me.....but it has happened. Now the last time was with a gal whose intent was exactly that....she literally didnt let me let go so to speak...afterward she looked at me with a somewhat evil grin on her face and said....1 down....two to go. And she held me to it....I wobbled out 2+ hours later....she's UTR in another city or she'd be on here as an 11,11.....

So the real key here is the "5,6" or whatever justified....or is it some kind of "payback". A real life example would be Calli....she gave a guy a horrible "performance" and even Jack agreed publicly here....I'm a friend so I called her the next day to ream her out {in a friendly way} and she twisted my arm into seeing her for a session....I told her flat out I'd flame her myself if it wasnt a great session....even really good gals have off days....

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this is a review site after all. If you advertise on a review site then you should expect to be reviewed within the constraints of the site.

Now you stated you do not wish to be reviewed which is certainly your right, however then you should not advertise on a review site. It may not seem fair then again the system inherently isnt particualrly fair...

The guy's review really was not that disparaging. By you calling him out and criticizing him displays unwarranted hysteria.