Recently I had a client that was new to the hobby and he made this offer....He asked if he could pay in advance for a second date in 3 days and if so would i give him a discount, I thought what a trusting guy and I took A $ off for both visits he saved $$ and was very happy. Now I would of given him more time to book the second appointment like up to 3 weeks  it was his choice to return so quickly. I think if someone sees you twice in a month it is fair to adjust the rate. He also paid before ever having the date which I thought was  very trusting on his part.Good news was that we both had a great time, I guess it is possible that we might not have clicked then I would of still given the lower rate but not taken the prepaid appointment and refunded second date before he left. I know this might not be a perfect solution for everyone just thought it might help those guys that love to hobby but are not able to afford $$$$.On the plus side for providers you have a date you can count on..........

a win/win situation on both parts to make an arrangement like this. I have seen on some girls websites that they offer similar "packages" like Victoria is talking about.

xoxo
Swedish Anna

Watch your mailbox flood with offers asking if you'll work for $300.

Last time I was here, a couple a years ago, it was the same great community, but all the girls were complaining that there wasn't enough business to go around, and many were working for $200-$250. My, how quickly times have changed.

to do such a thing...to many things can happen.

I think just knowing that a guy will be somewhat of a regular is enough to give him a break or what everyone calls "grandfathered"

It was very popular when I started that some gals on there web site would say pay $$$$ for so many visits with in a certain time, but I don't many took the offer.

I myself don't like prepaying for anything.

But if someone wants to prepay me I'll give a nice discount...hell why not!
T

Best to just give the guys a "sandwich card"  and punch it every time he visits. Give him his 5th visit free.

But aint no way I'd pay a girl in advance and then watch her retire or have the often used "family emergency" excuse...no matter how many reviews she had on file.

I would most certainly be interested in such an offer.  Where should I wire your money?  FASBE

I was seeing regularly for over a year $$$$ in advance to help her out and then she disappeared.
Yes OUCH. But I know most girls are not like that and will live up to their commitments. So enjoy and do what your heart tells you to if you help some one it always comes back in a good way.

Hi mm55mwm, like you need to worry about that silly boy.............I loved the christmas gift you sent today it was beautiful I will wear it in my next photos. See you soon my friend....Victoria

My guess would be you have not seen the right providers, I have lived in the same place over 20yrs why would I pull something like that {retire} I was trying to be helpful everyone has been complaining about the cost factor so you give them an option and they still try to find fault. I guess people are not happy unless they have something to complain about....oh and by the way business is great really do not need to offer anything was just trying to be nice

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I think this is an excellent idea, if both the Hobbyist and Provider feel a sufficient level of trust.  I know only 1 or 2 that I would trust sufficiently to make such a deal, but it seems to me like it works out well for everyone involved if the Provider doesn't decide not to return.  

I had that happen once, but I should have known better.  I didn't really trust her, but I thought this was a good way to build some trust.  Oh, well.  We all make mistakes.  I would do it again, however, under the right circumstances.  

Glad you suggested it, Victoria.

One of my all time (and still is) friends needed some extra  cash so i prepaid for several sessions (with a nice discount). Overall it went ok except for a cpl of scheduling conflicts. I will say the trust level would have to be immense for me to do it with anyone else.

If business is so good and you don't offer any specials why worry about the cheapskates.

It's just obvious that a prepay is really ridiculous no matter how long you lived here or there.

Thanks for helping out our community don't know what we'd do without you!hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Its obvious that you're somebody Vickie knows by your tacky remarks hidden behind your alias. You basically put her down for making a nice gesture and then "thank her for helping out "our" community? Don't know what we'd do without you?" Further indication of your insincerity and shot at someone with integrity who really doesn't need the extra business.  

It's not that you are a "Queen Bee", just a bitch in general. I've met a couple better Queen's in this community and heard of a few too, but then again you may be the one I'm refering to.

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Have you ever heard about being just nice to people and cut them some slack? I think it is an excellent idea what Victoria suggested, and I am not sure about you, but you build friendship with so many of your gentlemen and that is what you will do for a friend. Be nice and offer them a mutual beneficial agreement, if you will so call it, and if that is what they would like. I wouldn't say no to an agreement like that, and I would never think that he would be cheap for asking about it. Don't we all like to get a good deal? No matter what it is? And if you don't ask you will never know or get it. As long as everybody feels comfortable doing it, what is the harm here?

I just don't understand why you would say such a thing to someone who is just trying to be nice.

xoxo
Swedish Anna

Thanks piranhead, and the others here that are open to new ideas, Queen Bee seems to have a bee in her bonnet or maybe just having a bad day.She stated why not grandfather or do specials instead? Well explain how you grandfather a newbie? This man was not a cheapskate he was a hard working Joe that was looking for a way to be able to see me at a price level he could afford. I repected his willingness to trust me. As far as helping out the community, I am not part of the click I know only a very small amount of the posters here and a couple of the providers I was told long ago to not get envolved by several providers who never post because of the meanness of the posters here on the boards too much negative energy they said.....well I thought if I played well with others and never was mean or hurtful it would be fun to post but I guess they were right there will always be the few just waiting to attack no matter what you say funny how they hide behind a fake names kinda like someone talking behind your back  what cowards, if you really believe in what you have to say just say it please I would respect you for it. Groucho Mark once said "I never would want to join a club that would have me for a member" I see what he means.....Victoria PS who died and made you Queen anyway? maybe your a legend in your own mind hummmmmmmmmmm
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Victoria, I presume you want the money at the beginning of a visit to begin with (like most girls).  Why take the guys money several days in advance? Why not offer him the same reward for actually following through with his second visit (but take payment THEN)?

Contrary to your preception, I'm not just sitting here waiting to pounce with a negative on you.  I'm just sensitive to any hint that pre-payment is a good thing for the market, because it isn't.  You can accomplish the same goodwill gesture without having a layaway plan.  I'm in favor of gentlemen keeping their money in their own wallet until a reasonable time is reached to part ways with it.

But I applaud your gesture of goodwill.  I'm sure you meant well.

A girl has to be quite genuinely into what she does for this kind of scenario to work without a hitch.  If a lady (I'm not talking Victoria here) has already gotten paid days or weeks ago, then every meeting beyond that is an obligation, not a "session".  Obligations bring with them glances at the clock, glances at the watch, cellphones that are left on and a lesser experience for all.  Of course, everyone's mileage will vary.

I'm all in favor of incentives to encourage loyalty and regularity though.  I'm not sure I'd like to see this one become some kind of local custom or "trend". I prefer methods that keep the money in my own wallet until the last possible moment.

Victoria, I don't think ANYONE has been mean or spiteful in this entire string of messages.  Please do not confuse disagreement with an attack on you.  You are being far too sensitive.  I feel quite confident that my original response was not worded as an attack.  I simply thought that it was not such a good idea.  There is a huge difference.

I did not imply that YOU would retire or that YOU would vanish with said funds, but (unknown to most of the locals) I have been around the block. Been around longer than this here website, and that's a long time.  In my many years, I have seen even the most "reputable" girls suddenly shut their phones off and vanish (permanently).  

My point is that incentives are a great thing.  Quite altruistic of you to even offer such incentives.  But I think that general practice should be that men hold onto their own money.  Spend it as often as they wish, but they shold keep custody of it.  And I see no reason why you should keep custody of this money.

It's like the whole phenomenon of gift cards.  Companies love them so much because they know (statistically) a certain percentage of people who buy them will either lose them, or never use them.  That means profit for doing absolutely nothing.

What if this gent pre-pays you for a visit 3 days from now and then has to cancel?  And then he finds it nearly impossible to see you for the next 6 months.  And you virtually forget about him. And then sometime next July he calls you up and says "Hey, remember me?"  You'd probably be pretty pissed-off that he's calling you back after all this time.  Right?

Oh,wow,this is truly an amazing concept.

Punch Card prostitution...

WHO WILL BE THE FIRST to put this concept into practice?!?! Will it be an agency or an indy?!?!

The possibilities are legion; a whole new business dimension to the hobby!!!!

You Americans are so innovative. I’m so glad and fortunate to be in the great US of A.

Sheika Fatima


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Frankly, I commend Victoria for her willingness to try something out of the norm.  Clearly, it DOES take a certain amount of trust, and it's likely not very many people would do this (men or women).  Doesn't mean it might not work for some.

I like the idea as long as its not so many repeat sessions as to engender ennui in both parties. four would be perfect imo.

but I am baffled by the tangents this topic has caused.

Assuming that Victoria's account is true, consider the following:

1) It was the client who suggested the deal, its terms and conditions, which appears to have been completed to everyone's satisfaction.

2) We're all, or should be big boys here.  If we suggest, enter into, and pay money for a agreement of future services, we can't assume that she will always be available at the time of our choice.

3) A couple of guys have mentioned pre-paying a cash-strapped provider, that doesn't seem to be the case here.

...to procedures that are 'out of the norm'.  I've also heard about a hobbyist who offered to pay 'in advance', so that there was no money being exchanged at the actual appointment.  I'm not sure if that totally alleviates any legal concerns, but it sounds like a legit idea...
Regardless, it's more common than you think, but should probably be reserved for those provider/hobbyist relationships that are already established.

why in the world would I be pissed if he called 6 months later the offer would still be valid, I had a wonderful date last night but after dinner he had to go to the airport to pick up a friend so he said we would catch up later paid me anyway and I know whenever he is ready I will be more than happy to see him.I know this might not work for everyone it was just an idea nothing more.....

thanks Jazz, you are one of the few that seem to get it right oh well I tried to be helpful and I guess it most clients would rather believe we providers in general cannot be trusted their loss

Providers, in general, by the law of averages, CAN NOT be trusted to hold a clients money long-term.  I can even think of a specific provider (who posts here quite regularly) that I'd never have hold my money overnight. No way, no how.

You and Jazz might be totally different.  Hey, you both have tons of great reviews. Kudos, and for that you deserve accolades.  That does not mean I'd hand you my money to hold.

And you are right Victoria, it was the client's idea, and you accepted it.  And yes, at least you put forth an interesting idea, and I commend you for that. It WAS an interesting idea.  I happen to think that it a good idea for people who know each ready for prime-time with the masses.  And heck, if the other ladies want to institute such an incentive, feel 100% free.  I just happen to think that there are better ways to encourage repeat business that do not involve an escort holding custody of a client's funds overnight.

If you still want to hang on to the idea that THIS is the EXACT thing to keep doing, let me ask you this Victoria: Why do you want to hang on to his money?  If this is a mutually trusting thing, why not book the second appointment, let him keep thje cash until then,  and give him the discount when he shows up? Don't you trust your client?

I have to go along with AZCoquette's observation. As a sniveling, paranoid newbie, I am concerned about LE locking me up we a guy named Bubba. I thought prepay would help avoid the issue. With my brief encounter with Phoenix providers, at least the ones I've met, they are professional business women. I think many can be trusted in this business transaction.

and I would be all for it and offer a great discount, but in reality you were just lucky that this happened to you, I really don't think many gents would do it and it's not because they wouldn't trust you or me. I think it would be more the fact laying out that much at a time.

If there are gents that like the idea as many above then they should mention it to the lady  they like and do it.

So you guys above mention this to your gal, tell her your willing to lay out $$$$ for how ever many sessions you want with her!!!

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Like anna said it is a win win for both sides I know if I could save $$ and knew I was going to see the same gal twice in a short period I would, its funny the guys that complain about pricing really have nothing to say.......thanks Terri

It was his idea not mine if he wants the deal then he puts up the funds , I really do not need to offer anything other than my rate. I KNOW I am good for my part of the bargain is he? Who knows

Please answer my question:  Would you be willing to book the same 2nd appointment (a couple of days later, at the same discounted rate) and just let him keep custody of the money until then?  You already know he has a history of showing for the appointment.  You already like his company.  You would not be losing anything by letting him hang on to his own cash. Everything else would be exactly the same. Same 2nd appointment, same discount, same guy, same girl.

You posted this idea for a reason I suppose.  Which part is more important to you: Having custody of his money, or having him as a repeat customer? Note that I am not attacking you.  But I think this is an entirely fair set of questions to ask of you

I would like to see how many that think it's a great idea (one's on this post) really do it!

show me the money!!!!!lol.... Lets Make a Deal!!!!....lol

can be trusted, why would you even drop names like that especially since there were others here that posted on this thread...you haven't met any of us yet.

I don't need to offer specials either but I hope that when I do that it's appreciated otherwise forget bout'it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have no idea whom I have met.  

But funny how the crucial question gets dodged.  Would you offer the same incentive if the gent held on to the money?  Obviously not.  If a guy offered to pre-pay for a second session that week (at a discount), you'd go for it, but if he offered to book another, yet hold the cash you'd say no?  It makes no sense. You get paid either way.

Why is it SO crucial that you maintain custody of the cash?  The word "trust" has been mentioned so often here.  With option #2, no "trust" is even required on the part of anyone.  What is to be gained by the lady keeping custody of the money?  Why is it that you girls are hanging on so dearly to this?  I think true colors are being revealed.

This is getting old but to answer your question he was a first time client there is no history with him , do you know how many clients say they are going to be a regular and you never see them again so why would I believe someone I barely know

all I was saying you just mentioned 2 people here that probably could be trusted.

Yes I would give a discount without holding onto the money I offer discounts anyway and not on a prepay basis, if someone wanted to then fine...it would be only his option to do that, but when I offer a discount I just hope that it is appreciated...( I don't have to offer but I do anyway)
that's all nothing more nothing less.

Here's a true color, I'm nice, I offer a good service, I have great stellar reviews, I offer discounts (in more ways than one), I can be trusted, I enjoying making other people happy, I have feelings, I have a sense of humor even though some may not get it.  

I hope all that  has come through over the last 2 1/2 yrs of being active in the bizz and on the boards.

That's my true color!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy holidays everyone
Terri

Just how thick are you?!?

Victoria mentioned a unusual deal into which she entered, and sucessfully completed to everyone's satisfaction.  Still you repeatedly go on about how untrustworthy providers are, and somehow think that she is dishonest if the same deal were not available without pre-payment.

You say she posted this idea for a reason.  How about "hey, this is something unusual that happened recently".  Isn't that reason enough?  Has she announced it as new policy?  No.  Has she changed the pricing scheme on her website?  No.  Has she introduced a new business model that will dramatically change hobbying as we know it in Phoenix?  No.  She was merely commenting on a one-off event which may interest other providers and hobbyists.

So let's look at your question.  I know this may be painful, but try to think it through.  

OK, you contact a provider you haven't seen and ask her, either on the phone or via email, "can I see you twice this week at a reduced price". You never know, it might work, but my guess is that you are either hearing a dial tone, or that she never responded to your message.

Here's even a better scenario - you show up at the visit and say "wow - you are so hot, I'd like to see you again in a couple of days.  How about I short change you today, and again on Friday?  I'll call you to set up the time and place, honest!!!"

Listen fool, there is little room for negotiation in the hobby, particularly with a provider you haven't been with before.  The provider is always in control.  Victoria met someone willing to risk his money, and according to her, twice left her satisfied with a smile on his face.  What is wrong with that?!?

BTW ggl - before you put your foot in your mouth yet again, look at who posted this message.  This is jazz32!!!  I've posted reviews, unlike some people.  I am an American from Phoenix living in England.  This is not the lovely Jazz, aka Jasmine, who has been reviewed.

I've done it twice, once for a lady I had seen dozens of times and had full trust.  Sent her half.  The other time was for airline tickets.  Both seemed perfectly normal to me.  Both appointments were kept, no discounts given nor requested.

when i first started out, i never let anyone see me more than once a month.. then one of my clients suggested he would prepay for a month if i'd see him every week... since then, i've always maintained 2-3 clients on monthly package arrangements.  he gets a great deal and i get a guarentee that my time isnt going to be wasted. since 50-90 % of my time can be wasted by clients cancelling or rescheduling or miscommunications or in general jacking me around like so many do, having that guarentee is well worth the discount i give.  however since this makes me somewhat financially dependent on my client, (one of the many reasons i prohibited clients from seeing me more than once a month in the first place),  i do request 30 days notice if my client is planning on ceasing the arrangement or "severance pay", alimony, whatever.
most arrangements were made after a considerable amount of trust had been built up already but a few offered the arrangement at the close of our 1st session.  no problems ever on either side, we just pretended to be ADULTS whenever "circumstances" happened.  i can normally sense when they are ready to move on and on 2 occasions have passed them on to other providers i trust. still friends with ALL of them but 1. no severance pay ever recieved but i still get presents so its all good.  on 2 occassions i've been put on the fxxxxxing payroll which gave me taxable (verifiable) income, and one of which gave me full medical and dental and they of course got a tax THANG. being flexible and creative is FUN

Hmmm…Maybe like hair cuts and subway sandwiches; that is, you buy four and get the fifth one free?

Hmm...Would you leave the card in the envelope?

Would the provider or agency or pimp have to initial the punches; and, what about the prospect of counterfeiting?

Could several clients use the same card? Would cards be service specific?

Again, the possibilities are legion!!!

I LOVE YOU ALL,

Sheika Fatima


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