I have seen pornstars become providers that offer PSE   and now see providers becoming porn "stars" and was wondering is  this was a positive career move for them .....If your local AFT  went to porn would it excite you or turn you off? I do see that after making a video  their prices tend to double or triple  {am not talking  about  vivid or wicked brands of  porn}  more  of the  just hop into a hotel room type film. I can understand a pornstar  retiring to escorting but  hardly ever see the reverse  any thoughts? I myself am not into porn do not like even watching it maybe its a guy thing I find it very boring  to watch but then again I have only seen a handful  over the years ...what made me think  of this a client recently asked if he could bring one by we watched it and it was suppose to be a vivid high end one but it really did nothing for me.....am I crazy?  I met a nice gal 2yrs back and she was a mom and did some porn and said her career was short due to so many new gal coming up and she wanted to do escort instead...  the money was good at first $2000 a day but it did not last very long  hense she wanted to try her hand at escorting  that did not pan out for her either  ......so step up  or step down????????

however they want to move their career is their choice.  i dont think you opining about their (your competition) decisions is appropriate.

in Arizona, after spending time in Southern California. I don't know of many others, but perhaps I'm not so observant. Yes, porn is very much a guy thing because men are so visual in regards to sex. However it can get boring very quickly. I remember going to a strip club that had hard core porn on TV screens all the time, and I would quickly become tired of it--I would rather see CNN after awhile. There is a lot of turn over in actresses in part because men crave variety--see the Coolidge effect; and from what I have heard, the profession can burn out a person pretty quickly. A lot of guys use it to get excited before sex, and when I was a teen, it was a learning experience; but if I'm with an actual woman, I'm not going to waste time watching porn (unless I've been with her for a long time and the thrill has gone).

sorry but PSE is not  my competiton  only offer GFE  and their price point is way out of my league  you missed the point completely ......

IMHO it's a big move Dowwwwwwwn.  Most of the girls I've met that are into it are on the "high anxiety" & "Addictive" side to be honest.  That said, of course people should do what they want... in some manner "you get what you need". Some people need the money, need the connection (no matter how they get it)... nothing wrong with that.

But, people should be aware:  it's desensitizing and impersonal, which for some people is part of the attraction I suppose... don't have to connect... just scratch you itch, trick yourself (the guy) into thinking it means your more of a man cause you got to do whatever you wanted to a pretty face, and move on.  

What ever happend to conversation and connection.  

This will probably not be a popular post.  )

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In my opinion, I love porn. But only like watching alone.. because I like to skip to certain parts.. the pop shot and first entry.

Porn for entertainment from escorts, - I think it could help and hurt. In some cases, Its a way down, but in others not so much. A provider in vegas by Kim Toa started doing it, And on film I didnt like who she was so to me.. It was a turn off. Allure also did one ( on a show ) And I have meet her in person.. and on film I liked what I saw from a personality stand point, And Mya H. From AZ did one as well.. ( lets not beat a bush.. only one person in az Recently did porn ) And to be honest, I liked it. And Think for someone who hasnt meet her, It would give a idea of how she is or what she is like... Even aside from sex.

NOW, I am not saying its the way to go, or glamourous in anyway... But each its own. Until what they eat makes me... S*** and or they pay my bills... I could care less.. But for conversation value.. Why not.

Yea, "pornstar" burnout is legendary.  Lot's of wasted lives.  I hope all escorts &/or PS have long term "plans" with their lives... seems to me to be a positive way to experiment and have some fun for a period of time... but I can't imagine it doesn't desensitize woman just like men watching porn.

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I think it was  a great post thank you !

I just think it's hilarious how everyone who fucks on film is now a porn "star". Remember when that used to be reserved for the top billers?

You have actors in both mainstream and porn movies, and the big names are stars.

...But, yeah, one flick and they want to raise their rates through the roof by reasoning that they can make "x" amount for a shoot, so you should pay the same, too. What they forget is the reason they are making so much per shoot is because they have now become a product for a producer to sell and make a profit off.  

Oh well, it's capitalism at it's purest form, and you always try to get what the market will bear...

As I've gotten older, I have become more interested in making a connection with the person I'm with, but when a guy is young, the hormones pretty much drive his actions. It can be the same for women. Not so long ago, I saw a young lady who pretty much just wanted to get naked and go for it, which we did. Not that that was bad, but I ended up wanting to slow things down a bit and get a sentence or two from her about who she was! I had to laugh at the role reversal, but that whole date is another story.

Don't mean to be too judgemental.... obviously there is "porn" and porn.     But to me the nice thing about "escorting" is actual connection and respect at least to some extent... could probably have a whole thread about what % of all this actually contains that.  If people are "happy" that is what counts I suppose.  

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"now {they have} become a product"

Glamour, spot lights, cameras...  runway, hollywood... just a fast way to misery, as can be seen every time I check out at the grocery store on the tabloids.

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I guess it goes the same for the girls... when you're young you don't really think about your future husbands friends getting together to watch you when they find out you did adult films.  (

Wonder how many think those films just go away or that they won't have to tell their husband what they did?  Course plenty of folks (me) wouldn't care necessarily.

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Thank you Vivianne...

Was wondering when the "truth" would come out about WHO this post was really about.  I have watched the animosity against Mya for years.

If she chose to do this GOOD FOR HER!  I wasn't too surprised to see this post come up, was wondering when one of her "haters" would bring it up....

Does it mean she took a step down?  If she does not think so, who cares?  It is a provider's individual choice and she took that kite and is running with it, again GOOD FOR HER... because it seems to be working for her.

Good to see so much activity on the board, but all of the dancing around the who's and why's is just BS to me....

See you next week Phoenix!
xoxo
Jazz

I don't think that just because a girl decides to do porn she's more impersonal. There are girls who are escorts who are very mechanical and just goes thru the motions. A good personality is a good personality. No matter what that person's profession is.

And seriously whats the difference between someone doing porn and being an escort. I mean they both seem like they are in the same ball park to me. Is there really a difference in telling your future partner/husband/boyfriend either I use to be an escort or I use to do porn. They seem pretty equal to me.

If someone chooses to change there profession that is their business. Just because you wouldn't do it does not mean that it's wrong. Your decision to do gfe vs pse is your preference. That doesn't mean that you put someone down for it. There are things that girls do that I don't do and vice versa. I don't put them down for that.

Once again out of all the things to say. This is what you chose.... It's really no need to put someone down for attention. If you don't have anything nice to say then you shouldn't say it at all.

The legendary Nina Hartely once told me "Bottom line both are sex for money"..Reason that came up is because a lot of porn girls (before the economy tanked) looked down on escorts..Today you are seeing more and more porn girls escorting.

Now to answer your question a lot of agencies are no longer hiring milfs because the demand is not that high. So a lot of MILF's are told "Hey come into porn you will make a lot of money" and than they get a couple of shoots and than the phone stops..Or they get weird scenes such as double penetration scenes or gang banged or being with a Transvestite..

It is a step up if they do things such as anal..For example I know ZaSu Knight (www.zasuknight.com) is always booked solid when she tours..Now it is a step down if you just do vanilla stuff nothing nasty and are only doing amateur videos..

R

I agree with most of what you are saying, and certainly (as I said) everyone should do whatever they want.  What I meant with "there is porn and "porn"" was of course "judgemental" on my part... of course thats what opinion is.  

It's just my opinion that there is a difference between sex attached to discourse and respect and doing hard core walk through the door of a dark alley for 4 guys to TP, tell her how worthless and nasty she is and and 4 unload on her face and then continue eating pizza and drinking beer. There's a completely different emotional "charge" to it.  

I'm not saying it's "right" or "wrong", nor am I disgusted or strongly care what people do, since it came up I'm just saying what I like & commenting on different types of sex and "porn" and givng my opinion.  If you read reviews lots of guys go after the exact stuff I avoid... so what do I know!?  haa haa ... in fact MOST guys here on TER seem to rate girls MUCH higher for doing stuff I think is at least somewhat degrading (COF)... interestingly TER essentially cheerleads women to get 10's this way.

Each to his/her own of course!

Oh, as to future spouses... it's a complete judgement on my part... we all have our opinions, just giving mine... maybe I'm close minded and AM close minded to the extent I "judged" anyone.   OTOH, it's closed minded to assume that everyone would be escorting and doing porn stuff if "they" weren't so "inhibited" and not "free spirited".  I can assure you there TONS of totally normal, balanced, people who have one partner and have no interest in sex with many many partners.

My comments about porn was that I assume most of the male population out there may feel a certain (not positive) way about other males having access to VIDs of their wife having a group of males COF.

Could be wrong... not an issue for me.  If the above creates "emotionality" that wouldn't be me creating it.

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in fact MOST guys here on TER seem to rate girls MUCH higher for doing stuff I think is at least somewhat degrading (COF)... interestingly TER essentially cheerleads women to get 10's this way. I agree with this statement by onek  just had another review lowered  fom 10/10 to 8/8  client said TER made him in order to post it  we spent a week  together on Maui and for me and him it was a 10 experience .....no farm animals or anal or natives were invited to join us  but we had a blas...t very sexy time!

Your MANY cents have been wonderful and it's fabulous that a gentleman has chimed in with his TRUE feelings...   Yes, women can become "desencitized" by doing porn; however, in the spirit of debate...  

Any person with ANY job ...... have you ever suffered "burnout"???  I know I have, in this industry ABSOLUTELY!!!  I believe that ESPECIALLY WITHIN THIS INDUSTRY (and yes, I use all caps to make my point) due to the absolute intimacy involved WE - as providers, whether we are porn stars or not, suffer burn out.   Yet, when I feel the burnout coming on, I just back away..   I want to offer the best I can for the gentlemen I see.  

Piper, who touted herself as a PSE, was NEVER a porn star, but damn near as pricey and A VERY GROOVY FRIEND OF MINE...   so just WHAT exactly constitutes a PSE???

This post, while initially valid, pissed me the eff off.  Mostly because I am a lurker AND I know the "girl in question" as well as the relationship between her and Victoria..  I am not a "youngun" and at 42 (yes, I am more than willing to post my REAL age) I have learned introspection, meditation and MOST IMPORTANTLY forgiveness...

I got a nasty PM this morning, which further added fuel to my fire and well... I am still waiting to be blasted by the (hmm.... my language used to be colorful, but I shall remain "pc") poster...  I do not take sides.  I do not give a flying eff what anyone does..  

I can comment on this topic now freely because I no longer depend on the Phoenix hobby as my
mainstay paycheck..  I have utilized my god given talents (other than that which gives me great reviews hahahaha), and am now a "part time" hobby girl...

However, when those of us who HAVE been around for a while recognize a fu&&ing snowjob... No matter WHAT that provider did to the initial "hater" WE knew WHO you were talking about as did the gents..

My hope???  you garned some type of business from the busibodiness of all of this BULLSHI!!!!!

So, SEE YOU NEXT WEEK PHOENICIAN GENTS!!!! (and my favorite groovy girls)....  

xoxo
The lovely and most infamous for her goddamn brashness....
JAZZ!!!!!

who is now waiting for the next as(wi#@ pm for just being ME!!!  

CHA BABY!!!

Thanks, just posting opinion... of course.

"This post, while initially valid, pissed me the eff off.  Mostly because I am a lurker AND I know the "girl in question" as well as the relationship between her and Victoria..  "

I have no idea who you are talking about... but as you probably noticed I don't really follow along.

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haaa ha... by the way I don't get "Mail"...  dunno who sent it.  Not really a local, come into town every couple years for a period of time.  

Don't worry, I'll go away again soon!  

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Oh, is that who it's about?  My posts were not person specific FYI... more about HCPorn in general.

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Authentic, smart, big-hearted....and so sexy.  
besos!
veloman

Oh hell here I am Sam I Am. LOL

I have seen a few porn stars that are providers and never did we discuss their porn star days just went on to our business at hand and had a fun time.

There are some porn movies that are classy and tasteful but the ones that are degrading to the ladies are (Just my opinion) are the ones that have 4; 5 6 or more guys banging her and juicing all over her body and face, Those shots aren’t very appealing to me. I’m sure those girls get burned out quickly. But then maybe that’s what they like.

Just my 0002 cents and I’m sure it means nothing here.

...that you are 42. No way!!!!

J/K. Very good comments kids. I'm not going to add to the fire, but I do enjoy reading them.

Tanks,
Vampatola

I'm sure a provider or pornstar wont do anything against her will. Maybe she likes COF, to be gangbanged and humiliated. I've met people who like that. Some people are into different things. I'm sure everybody has a kinky little fetish that some people may think is weird, disqusting, or degradeing. And I get it that it's your "OPINON" but my main issue is that I think it's rude to start a thread to try to put a certain group of people down. It isn't the first nor do I think it's the last. But I guess Victoria can add this thread to her list of threads that caused a stir.

People should be considerate of others before they post something like this. Because there are probably a lot of people who took this to offense.

As providers we choose to do what is right for US not what anyone else thinks that we should do.It's not up to anyone but Mya ,and from her post and it sounds to me like shes happy with her decision.

I'm wondering if the OP would think it was ok if someone beat around that same bush asking at what age should providers retire.

Ill make my point now.. porn,gfe,retirement,who to see ,who not to see.If it's not paying your bills or effecting your life in some direct manner It's no one else business.



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Well put Bianca. 100% agree with you. All u can do is lol.

I read the whole thread... Holy Shit with no pictures and the author isnt DC or Marvel.  Enuf of my humor..... lets be honest.....its none of our business who or what people do!  end of story.
   If you have a problem with one of the ladies, you contact them via email on this TER site and ask them. you try not to embarrass yourself nor them via discussion board topic. There's alot more things to worry about such as
should I buy a second house?
Are the Green Bay Packers gonna repeat?
what to invest in so I can rebound from lost investments?
lets get back some trust between providers and hobbyists?
how "we" gonna get rid of these rip off artists and cash and dash girls?ie I know for a fact "hiddenhills" takes this one very seriously.

Phoenix as a whole can be "the fun oasis of the desert" Lets get the FUN going. I know someone out there will just tell me to "STFU" thats Shut The Fuck Up!

fuuny how everyone just assumes it has to be about  a provider   the question was  would you want your ATF to do porn would  it excite you or turn you  off ? and mentioned I was not big into  porn.... the  rest was  an interesting thread but not  on topic  oh well it got a lot of attention  and  I guess that's what makes the boards move .....good  or bad  

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If course it's nobody's business what anyone else does... conversely we are here to see what everyone else is DOING!   LOL!!  
FWIW, opinion is given here ALL THE TIME.. in case you didn't notice .reviews on TER are... OPINION!

So now it's nobody's business to give opinion and suddenly there are topics that are off limits?!  Huh!?

Nothing wrong with discussion... that's how we figure out who to go and be with.  

Of course there is nothing "wrong" with things like someone "needing to be degraded" if that is where someone is and is into its fine... millions of people are... but for those who don't need that and don't want to be involved, it's great to know and to avoid!! There is ALSO nothing wrong with wanting to avoid what you don't want...

You know to give opinion which may hurt ones feeling may also be very helpful to another who may actually be open to a look into differing opinions rather than dismiss it as someone trying to be hurtful. One persons garbage is anothers gold.

For those who might have even the slightest interest in psychology, self esteem, and/or counselling it might be noted that people can spend decades recovering from self destructive self degrading habits if they persist... a simple web search might be helpful.  if this doesn't apply to the reader, no doubt the post will simply seem amusing, boring, or egotistical on my part or whatever and easily ignored... these are just words... if they seem hurtful it's not my hurt or fault, no hurt intended, just passing on some experience and some knowledge    

DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER!  ))

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This is a very interesting topic Vic, & I think it's incredibly valid to bring up considering escorting & porn are both in the adult entertainment world. With that being said, if you are a provider & decide to enter into the porn world the majority of the time that absolutely will be on your resume.

To more directly answer your questions though from what I have seen & experienced is it's all how you do it, what you do, & your "style" per se. I think you can turn off a lot of potential clients if they see you in a certain light, however if you know the "image" you're going for, & you're pretty savvy at marketing it can work to your benefit if done properly. In my opinion it sums up to having an intelligent plan behind it, & doing it from "inspiration, not desperation". In what I have seen thus far your intent on why you're doing it comes across a substantial amount.

well said  Amanda,  the provider  everyone  assumes  this whole thread was about  wrote a very good post from her point of view  and I am sure this is the right move for her .....some of us will move on  and as you said  this will always be on your resume the rest of your life.