please reply to this post, it's too hard to figure you out who you are by reading through the discussions and reviews. It will be a lot easier for the rest of us to judge a providers merits.
Thanks for your help.

This is the 1st post I think I ever rewrote at edit...

1) to in anyway use or imply anyone is a "Nazi" over something as trivial as this is simply wrong.

2) The boardroom was a single "group" that was itself a spinoff from an earlier group.....going back years. It no longer exists and hasnt for close to 2 years now.

3) I was a member...so what...I was here hobbying for 10 yrs before it existed and am here after its gone.

There are and have been many back channel groups here and elsewhere that pool and compare 411 and just have fun. The biggest benifit for the gals is actually traveling....you have no clue how many gals love the fact they can come to town for a week and see as many guys as they want with no ads no exposure no risk....and no reviews BTW...

This is the most overblown topic on this BBS, the hobby isnt "controlled" by any faction...its a true free market system. No one including me controls prices or can limit anyones success...you do it all on your own.

I'll match my reviews vs anyone here on both appropriate grades and general comments. To in any insinuate that anyone (including me) is trading reviews for anything is simply a lie. The proof is in the actions....

a) Many know that MJ is and has been my "public ATF" for 18 months or so....she got 1 review...never a rewrite. Also very little "shilling"....i almost always reccomend multiple gals...

b) The most "press" I've given was probably to Isabella....who I only EVER saw at full "rack" rate...

c) My "other" ATF Rebecca never even got a mention for years till she decided to surface...

As a final note its also public knowledge that my 1st "ATF" ever JK is a egular here. I never even wrote her a review here (since we were an item before I joined TER)....so you wont find a review here.

The bottom line is simple, I have yet to have a single person come back and tell me they ever had a bad time with anyone I suggested or referred....


-- Modified on 5/19/2006 6:56:18 AM

I started that shit. Years ago. Skybox. Desert Star.

If you don't know the past, it's hard to speak to the history of escorting in Phoenix. If you can't say your participation in the hobby predates the Internet, you're coming late to the game, and those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

Some of us go WAY back before Rose, Dave, 411, simple bookings, easy poon.

I apologize to any provider who got nickled and dimed because of of the jackasses in the "boardroom". Certainly wasn't my intention to get guys together to force downward pressure on prices, then or now. Was SUPPOSED to be win/win.

Of course, the best of intentions go horribly awry. I used to think being pro hobbyist was being pro provider. I learned my mistake.

I take no responsibility or credit for the bastardized production that, whatever I started out with the best of intentions, has become-if it even exists. You all get what you deserve. And STILL dont seem to get that there's a ton of stuff going on that you dont know or control or even have an inking of.

Like I said before, NO ONE CONTROLS THE HOBBY. So the clubs and groups and gangs, what have you, aren't everything.

Frankly, if you let the boys clubs tell you what to charge, you deserve to get short changed, providers. Wah.

Grow a brain, learn how to run your business as an escort, and tell the billionaire boys club to sod off. If you're not smart enough to manage your own affairs, then get a pimp. Simple.

I look back at the world I helped create, and I weep. In some ways, we've come so far, but in other ways, it's just different people holding the reins.

But it takes two to tango, so we all live with it. No one told girls to work for an agency, or mismanage finances, or get hooked on whatever party drug it takes for to reconcile life.

Me, I'm gonna....as always

Hobby Happy, cause at the end of the day, I'm the HOBBYIST, folks, and we ALWAYS get what we need.

Ask all the successful retired providers.

JJ

See you in another decade when shit changes again. Maybe we'll have evolved again. Probably not. Meanwhile, blah blah blah, and bye bye.

-- Modified on 5/19/2006 12:14:45 PM

Men's groups are not unique to Phoenix. They exist in a lot of major, metro areas. Perhaps even several in a singular community. There are likewise provider groups, replete with their own back channel communications networks just like we have here in Phoenix. So what's the big deal?

let's not get defensive, it was just a question. If those members get a "better" deal becuase they belong to the "discount group" it's OK with me. I have no problem paying retail for any lady I chose to be with, because it still feels like a hell of a deal to me. You should see what I look like!

Seems to me like there are alot more sinister things in this hobby than a group of hobbiests who want to get together and share 411 and pool resources (these things don't make it to this board). And I discount that they are biased more than anyone else is in their individual preferrences, likes/dislikes, etc..
They probably do get better rates from many ladies but that is up to the provider to choose what she is willing to accept..

Sure it's the ladies choice but why wouldn't she to get a good review!!!!

Is anyone going to answer the question or is it a secrete?

-- Modified on 5/19/2006 12:22:21 PM

but you and some few others seem to have a very jaundiced view of things. Have there been abuses wherein some guys trade good reviews for discounts? Sure!  Is it also the case that some ladies will trade favors for good reviews or other things? Yes, to this also. Will such abuses ever be totally eradicated - probably not. But, I have to tell you that I think you and others are terribly misinformed or overly biased if you think this is a widespread issue. To paint everyone who may receive a discount from a lady or have VIP status in some places as being less than fair, objective and accurate in their reporting, is just plain wrong, unfair in itself, unfounded and unsubstantiated.

Think we all know pretty much who the bigger players are in town and therefore those who are probably getting discounts or may have VIP status. Match their reviews on any of the ladies they have seen with the lady's other reviews and you will find they are quite similar across the board. To suggest that some reviews are more suspect than others just because the gentleman did not pay "rack rate" is a cheap shot IMHO.

As Pnum3 pointed out, if you are not interested in partaking of what some of the guys may have to offer in the way of business, support or referrals, then don't. That is your call to make.  But then don't bitch about it or try to create drama!

-- Modified on 5/19/2006 3:04:06 PM

to the best of my knowledge no one but TMAN has ever traded reviews for services. I know I've never given a "better" review for any reason. If you compare my reviews on "ATF's" you'll find i'm often actually lower then average....this also holds up across the board on all 20+ reviews. This "discount for review" is one of the biggest lie/myth's out there.

said or mentioned here...I stated on comment about a choice to be made and was anyone going to answer from the original poster?????

What's up with the alias, don't accuse me of bitching or trying to create drama here...I didn't..... you did by making a mountain out of a mole hill here.....

Match the reviews with the bigger players or the vip's...I don't need to I know who my VIP's are and that's all that matters to me...

You accused me of a lot of things in your post here and all I did is make on simple comment.

Stand up like a real man or a real woman and accuse me face to face...sounds like you have an agenda with me!!!!  I know I'm not well received on this board but I really don't care, I know who my friends are and I have a fantastic following and that's what counts to me....
I have stellar reviews, I have never ask a gentleman for a review nor have I given a discount for my outstanding service and I consider myself as a top provider in Phoenix, whether you like me or not!!!!!

So you better be SORRY.........alias ass

-- Modified on 5/20/2006 10:43:33 AM

More than a few of his subscribers have tried with a couple of the ladies i know but dont discuss here.
He's (Tman) not the only dirtbag here in town by a longshot.

-- Modified on 5/20/2006 2:49:36 PM