it's an interesting number in a lot of ways. Eventually I'll ger back to it but for now I have a simple question. Where is the hobbyist voice on these boards now? For a long time here it was really Jack and Danny who asked the tough questions and kept a "balance"....obviously those days are long gone. Up till recently we had fairly strong participation from a large number of "rocognized" hobbyists...many of whom (but by no mean all) were part of various "local factions".

Recently the boards have been very very quite....with the obvious exeption of my single post a week or so back.

Over time I'll give my 2 cents on the issues as I see them and folks can take it or leave it. But over the last 18 months we've seen massive increases in local "retail" prices compared to the national trends and averages. In many other area's prices have actually gone down. We now have resort level pricing close to Las Vegas and actually on par or higher then Los Angeles, Chicago and New York. In 2004 our pricing was similiar to Houston.

Which happens to be $250....you guessed it 62.5% of our $400 "rack rate"....that 62.5% will keep popping up over the next month or so as I continue this "disscusion".

So for you the "rank and file" hobbyist looking toward 2007 my basic question is what number to YOU like 100% or 62.5 because at the end of the day the only one who spends your money is you.

My theme is simple 62.5 in 2007......

Funny that you can so easily use a 'retail'-like comparison to this business.  The risk factor alone that has increased in the last year should make you thank that 400 IS the "rack rate."  Also, can you really complain about women putting a bit higher of a 'price-tag' on themselves?  I dont know about you, but I want my companions to have a bit of self worth.

I think its time to take on that second job, or just leave the hobby altogether if this is a serious post.

if your are suggesting to BOYcot the industry then why dont you take the lead...of your 35 or so reviews id guess the majority charged substantially more than the 250 you suggest....they can charge it because WE pay it..sure id like to pay less but till that time comes i say " may i have another please"

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I was also thinking that there's plenty of gals on back page, craig's list and on the cityvibe erotic services that charge way below that 250 but from what I see from the reviews you get what you pay for!!!!!

But for some hobbyist from what I see it doesn't make a difference if the prior reviews are 4,5,6's or 7's as long as the rates are low and some are that!

kisses and hugs to the gents who don't complain!!
Terri

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if your an actual liuving breathing guy behind that keyboard (i define "guy" as having both a single X and a single Y chromosone) then put your puss....err mouth where your money is and link those reviews. Lets see who you really spend those dollars on.

No disrespect is meant to the fine providers here at all. My view of this issue is simply pragmatic.

62.5% is what I can afford.  Period. I am not wealthy. Nor am I cheap. So, what am I doing about the higher prices? Taking a 'risk'(as some call it) with 'CL providers.' Often at a 50% rate. And by the looks of the recent reviews, so are a lot of other men.  Do I prefer this? No.

Agency ladies? There are several that have caught my interest and I know would be a very special experience. But, I no longer even bother to look at their posts, reviews, or websites. Not in my price range. They are there for someone else other than me. I can only spen time with independents.

I happen to be a very discreet, very clean and charming GENTLEMAN who truly appreciates the company of the ladies I have the pleasure of spending time with. But does that change what I can spend? No. Do I find the 'quality' is the same. Not usually, but there are some diamonds in the rough out there.

Actually, I'm looking around for the right 50% provider that I enjoy and who appreciates a client like myself. If and when I meet her, I'll give her 100% of my business.

In reply to your doubtful post, this would be my main.  Juliana happens to be my ATF since she was with TLC as Kianna, which is why she has my only review when she came back.  I have also seen a few of Taylors girls on top of that.  I do not share the mentality here that the number of reviews has a direct relation to the size of your manhood.

After spending so much time with a provider, and paying that "rack rate," I can easily vouch for the content of my first post.

I appreciate the concern for what gender I am though, at least it gave me a good laugh.

spoken. The prices are what the prices are.
If they're too high, demand will diminsh, and prices will fall -- or providers will offer more services. Or if the supply of providers increases greater than increases in demand, prices will fall.
The population of Poon Valley increased more than 525,000 people in the last five years. My guess is that cohort includes a lot of horny guys who never post on this board, but call for and pay for providers.I would guess the number of providers hasn't increased greater than the demand; hence, higher prices.
Do the indies and the agencies co-conspire and share pricing information? Probably. Can they sustain "high" prices in the absence of demand? NOT!

They just arent complaining to the providers. If you could see the email i get on a daily basis you would realize the high level of angst among the hobbyists.

Complaining with no plan to fix things or change the status quo has no effect however so my early new years pledge is to do the following.

i plan starting to review the girls on i see from the other sites i use  (believe me im torn about that since i play solo and dont see much benefit) im also going to step my MP reviews and start dropping field reports again.
heck look for one tomorrow im thinking maybe Fuji Spa or maybe an indie we dont hear much about like Melissa over in tempe who knows but ill have fun anyhow

I think that "supply and demand" determines the pricing issue; I do agree that it is pretyy steep here compared to the SF bay area, where I used to live till about a year ago.

But, if it means lesser clients, and almost same money as they can make with lower prices, more power to them! I, for one, would visit more often if the price was a little lower.

Correct on most everything...speaking for myself I have nothing to do with the agencies and I have no problem with them but, if they can charge 400 or 450 and are doing well and lots of reviews then why shouldn't I charge a competitive rate. That goes hand in hand with other indies too!

And yes there are many gents who don't post or do reviews, I have many regulars that way and I respect that.

Terri

Move to Houston....

86%

That's is what Houston's composite cost of living is compared to Phoenix.  (See link below.)  Quality providers who are doing business in upscale incall locations (which we all appreciate) are directly affected by housing costs.  You can't expect them to be able to afford to charge like Houston ladies.  (Houston's housing costs are even lower than the composite--71% of Phoenix--which leaves the 65% figure actually pretty fair.)

Apart from that, of course, is the fact that we're not talking about hogbellies or bushels of wheat.   All providers are not created equal. It's been said MANY times here before:  You're playing in the finest hobby community in America.  You pay a little more for quality, but it's worth it.  (And don't even start again with your "diamonds in the rough" BS...look how long they've lasted!)

So yes, go ahead and move to Houston and enjoy your extra few bucks.  Or stay here and be the leader of your hobbyists-rights campaign.  We can hardly wait to see you guys walking down the street, arms interlocked, singing "We shall overcum."  What a righteous cause...NOT!

Finally, your complaint is also based on erroneous information.  Agency rates may be $400 (which might affect you if you're one of the guys who has alienated the agencies who used to give them discounts), but there are plenty of independent ladies below that rate.  Problem is, you want prime rib for hamburger prices.  That's what you're really complaining about.  

According to a TER search, there are 584 providers in Phoenix whose rate is below $400, and only 159 who are above.  You are FULL OF IT.  $400 isn't the "rack rate"...it's just the rate for the ladies you wish you could see for less!

A user name attached to it. Dingus who is this person?

staffmember of TER who switches the alias to their username.....sorry moebius8....you are right.....the strength of such convictions serserves a username.....before I was a moderator, I discounted posts made under an alias....I still do....

This is a hot button subject....I have always been a freemarket economist....the market sets prices.....while I understand the desire to control pricing by a hobbiest, I believe the best way to voice an opinon is with the pocketbook, not with the pen....charge what you will and let the marketplace provide feedback....there was a time in NYC where $600 - $800 was becomming the norm....and market conditions changed where pricing dropped to $300 - $400 as a result of external pressures on the high priced girls....

So.....I am staying out of this one and just sitting back and watching....


D15

it like it is! Who cares if an aliases is used. Just what really makes a alias? not having reviews, not having an envelope, or it's someone who finally speaks out!

Why are you so upset with what he said? you don't agree with him?

86%

That's is what Houston's composite cost of living is compared to Phoenix.  (See link below.)  Quality providers who are doing business in upscale incall locations (which we all appreciate)
--i could care less personally dont tell me what i appreciate.--

(Houston's housing costs are even lower than the composite--71% of Phoenix--which leaves the 65% figure actually pretty fair.)

---this is a misnomer the houston home market is depressed. a condo is renting for nearly the same as phoenix and in some neighboorhoods it compares to snottsdale. the entire argument is based on a different segment of the real estate market---

Apart from tat, of course, is the fact that we're not talking about hogbellies or bushels of wheat.   All providers are not created equal. It's been said MANY times here before:  You're playing in the finest hobby community in America.  You pay a little more for quality, but it's worth it.

----I dont call a 38% increase a "little more" thats the difference between paying 2.00 or 2.76 for a gallon of gas----  

(And don't even start again with your "diamonds in the rough" BS...look how long they've lasted!)

---personal attack also it sure worried some folks now didnt it---

So yes, go ahead and move to Houston and enjoy your extra few bucks.  Or stay here and be the leader of your hobbyists-rights campaign.  We can hardly wait to see you guys walking down the street, arms interlocked, singing "We shall overcum."  What a righteous cause...NOT!

--obviously a distressed provider, if a provider is going to post as a hobbiest with an alias then whats the point of having a user name--

Finally, your complaint is also based on erroneous information.  Agency rates may be $400 (which might affect you if you're one of the guys who has alienated the agencies who used to give them discounts),
--doesnt afffect me at all i have never called an agency i support the independents over the agencies or quasiagencies that abound around here--
but there are plenty of independent ladies below that rate.  Problem is, you want prime rib for hamburger prices.

--common provider argument; the top rate has steadily increased for the last two years in a lockstep formation. The top rate is what the other ladies that i do see then use to determine what they charge. It affects every single aspect of the hobby.
i have the ads and posts i do believe i may work up an excell spreadsheet illustrating what the old rate was as of first quarter 2004 and what it is now----

That's what you're really complaining about.  
According to a TER search, there are 584 providers in Phoenix whose rate is below $400, and only 159 who are above.  You are FULL OF IT.  $400 isn't the "rack rate"...it's just the rate for the ladies you wish you could see for less

--your trying to tell me that this isnt a provider tryhing to sound masculine? give me a break----

Great topic and just cannot resist responding so I can cry some more. lmao

It is possible, that one should count blessings as opposed to complainging about rack rates, or real rates. It is what it is. Dingus put the finger on the pulse and the pulse is market conditions.

If you lived in Vegas like some of your bretheren in this thing of ours you would be quick to point out that $400, $500 and up is actually the norm. Why?  Because it is what it is. A "Sin City", "What Happens here....." tourist market with 50,000 hotel rooms in 3 blocks and then more. Its also a huge outcall market, lmao lot activity going on in those rooms. Add all that to a sorry locals hobby of having to pay tourists rates and spring for a room as well, heck do the math. It could always be worse my friend.

Heck I am trying to get a transfer to The Valley of the Sun, so I don't have to pay so much, and can see all the hotties that are here. Damn might need counseling for my addiction. lmao

Oh and one other thing. You know a lot of fine ladies of Phoenix do travel to Sin City from time to time. Guess what? They raise their fees too. It is what it is.

that in reading your initial post ( I won't even waste my time with the rest for my time is 37.5 % more important than this bullshit)

I realize how grateful that I am that I do not have this type of a mind set or continual need to live, breathe and try to command this board.

Namaste,
Jazz

or miss as the case may be. BTW I have seen all those ladies for less. And that is the whole point of "outing" this BS. Phoenix is, has been and will be a "two tier" market.

Whats funny is 100% of the people actually commenting KNOW that. This is for  all the rank and file "lurkers" who really don't. I'm just laying the cards out face up for those not "in the know"....

I could be charging $400?

I must be completely out of the loop on what to charge. As it's a mere $20.00 more than when I started two years ago. It was $280, now it's 300 and I still run specials all the time for $250.

Am I hamburger? Check my reviews to find that I'm the rarest meat around.

if you are hamburger, then I must be hot dog or bologna.

Well, I for one truly enjoy what I do so it is NOT just about money.  And I would much rather drain the man instead of his wallet.  

I too haven't raised my rates for over a year and love running those specials.  I guess Miss Tina that is why you and I have so much fun - especially when we do doubles.  Come on guys wanna get some "great meat" with Tina and I???

Misty

Not hamburger my Tempting Tantalizing Tina-but rather Sirloin, Filet Mignon. Chef's choice of best cut person in Phoenix. I'm desperatly trying to get into PHX for the BCS college Championship Jan 8-Ill e mail you on Yahoo about the "maybe " details--Frankie

i might just have to beat mine...that will drive the prices down

cuz I am a vegetarian now...I only eat MAN meat.  Bring it to me and I can drain all those juices out without draining your wallet too.  

Misty
480-820-0300

Yes, we are the united members of Muff-O-PEC. By 2010 we will control the world's supply of Muff.
Resistance is futile.

Remember, we put the 'O' in O-PEC. Bring us your greeny green so we can smoke it in our 20-inch-rim-hummers. Hurry, futures of hummers are going sky high so get in (us) while supplies last.

Sincerely,

Muff-management,
Muff-O-PEC

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in for an agency who's fees are from 350 and up!

Noting against any agency

what dose this guy want?

Hacker, dearest:

Haven’t you heard? It not the war, it's the economy, sweatheart...

And, anyway, everyone knows you are loaded; so what's the difference? What's the big deal?

Let's level the playing field a bit, shall we?Let's spread it around, O.K? You are not going to starve, or be thrown out on the street. Though you are immature for your age, you still have it made, right? No "real" worries at all. You are a very fortunate fellow; so why the complaint? Please, please, explain.

If you can't aford a pro, go pick some floosey in a bar. It's easy enough...

The ladies work hard for the money, and most of them have paid some incredible dues (something you can't understand). They deserve every cent they can get and more-much,much,more.

This is the great American South West, and this is an open and competitive market, full of enterprising merchants.

You are a buyer. If you find the merchandise or service unsatisfactory, you are free to take your business elsewhere. That is the AMERICAN way..  

Working girls of the world unite!!!

LOVE, PEACE, and PROSPERITY,

Sheika Fatima


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And I've never walked past the other dealerships on McDowell and complained because their prices are higher.  Even at Ford, however, if they get a wildly-popular new model, they'll charge a premium, because IT'S IN DEMAND.

Like you, I buy what I can afford.  The funny thing is that this thread is not really about somebody complaining about what he can't afford...it's really about control.  Some guys get off on controlling beautiful ladies.  They act that way in life, and in the bedroom.  And right now, they're going nuts because they can't control something that they want to control.  (This actually sounds vaguely like Andi's post about doms/subs...hmmmm?)

STOP THE INSANITY!!Controlling oil/gas production is one thing--taking over the world supply of muff--totally unacceptable!!

Men, this is a call to arms.  Start today---stockpile as much muff as possible as soon as possible.  This is not a drill!!!Surely there is a scientist out there that can perfect freeze drying muff--just add saliva.  Otherwise we are stuck with novelty blow-up dolls and your favorite porn stars vulcanized vulva.

Muff-PEC, you have gone too far!!WHERE HAVE YOU GONE DONALD RUMSFIELD--WE NEED YOU NOW MORE THAN EVER!!!

OUR MOTTO--I'M NOT CHEAP--I JUST CLIP COUPONS

Sir,

We may consider having a few select 'Coupon Days' throughout the year providing 25% Discount Specials (37.5% out of the question). Just check this BBS for dates and advertised specials. We recommend you take advantage of these since as the demand for muff increases you may have to start biking to work and apply for HELOC's to keep yourself in a steady supply of muff.

But remember to have a happy holiday!

Puttin the 'O' in O-PEC,
Muff-O-PEC

I'm trying to understand what affects a "Rack" rate.
Is it the bigger the "rack", the bigger the "rate"?

Tina,

Please you are only medium rare!  Rare is red.  If you truly want to be rare become TinaRed.

You are rare and all to rare in the Northeast!!!

Foody