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Thank You for Your Concern, and ...
JEFFREY 274 Reviews 928 reads
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...the information you've provided here.  THIS is what I thought this Board is supposed to do--HELP HOBBYISTS.  I'm sure this Board was not created to send birthday wishes, share recipies, or  promote catfights.  Nor was this Board created to read useless-drivel posts by providers.  Ads?  YES.  Opinions?  ABSOLUTELY.  A little shilling for a favorite or two?  Perfectly acceptable.  But, drivel from people who just want to see their handles displayed?  Please, NO.
Thanks again to Fred_Fife, from all of us who are just trying to have some fun!

I am an infrequent hobbyist and a frequent lurker on these discussion boards. I dropped-out of the discussion after the DD affair. Anyhow, I wanted to share something I heard from a provider this week.

She mentioned that one of her clients was arrested in a LE sting. One of her provider friends was also arrested by LE. She did not mention which agency, but she did say LE appears to be targeting independent providers and hobbyists. This provider warned me about visiting unknown providers. She is now only accepting established clients, those who come via referral and those who pass a background check w/references.

Please, please, please use common sense and caution!! TER is a wonderful tool and provides a lot of great information about existing providers. If a provider does not have a review, be very cautious!! When visiting a new provider, consent to LE checks and be careful what you say and when you say it. If you are ever detained or arrested by LE, immediately invoke your right to remain silent. Give them your ID and immediately ask to speak with an attorney. You are their (LE) best witness; don't say anything!! Their case against you evaporates if you do not say anything to them. They want you to speak. They will get you to say things that will incriminate you. I don't care how smart you think you are, they are experts at coaxing confessions from people. REMAIN SILENT!!!

Anyhow, my intent is not to strike fear or drive people away. Rather, I hope to compel you to do your due diligence and use some common sense. Think with the big head before you think with the little head!!! Save yourself a lot of heart ache and expense!!

I provided a link to a great YouTube video on your 5th amendment right from an excellent attorney who knows what he is talking about.

Watch it, you will learn something and be better equipped to defend your rights if you ever you encounter LE while hobbying.

...the information you've provided here.  THIS is what I thought this Board is supposed to do--HELP HOBBYISTS.  I'm sure this Board was not created to send birthday wishes, share recipies, or  promote catfights.  Nor was this Board created to read useless-drivel posts by providers.  Ads?  YES.  Opinions?  ABSOLUTELY.  A little shilling for a favorite or two?  Perfectly acceptable.  But, drivel from people who just want to see their handles displayed?  Please, NO.
Thanks again to Fred_Fife, from all of us who are just trying to have some fun!

Provider advocate831 reads

People often make the mistake of thinking that some "nice, understanding, sympathetic"...or even "cute" cop is going to let you off easy, if you talk and "cooperate".  Fuhgeddaboutit, baby!  

In most cases, unless you have offered or requested an illegal service for a specific amount of money, either on the phone or through emails, LE generally cannot prove you're doing anything illegal!  In this profession, they often rely on you to implicate yourself, and playing the role of "good cop" is only one of the ways they do it.  Its their JOB to make you talk.  Your confession relieves them of further responsibility to prove their case against you.

Just remember LE can charge you with *anything*.  They can charge you with the murder of Jimmy fricking Hoffa, if they want to.  BUT its *their* job to prove it.  Don't do their job for them!

Shut the f@#k up !  always excellent advice.

HalfHour778 reads

"She did not mention which AGENCY, ."

The A word.

May be different elsewhere, but in PHX, I say NEVER use one. WHY? That is where LE targets for many reasons, especially RICO.

I appreciate the warning too. But...

" but she did say LE appears to be targeting independent providers and hobbyists."

makes me ask ...

WHY IS SHE NOT ON HERE GIVING THE WARNING.

Seriously! Not doubting you. Not casting negativity, but we all need to know where the source is. It makes a difference.

Can we have some more experienced opinions on safety OTHER THAN KNOW YOUR PROVIDER & GET REFERENCES... because, truthfully, all that helps with is to know THAT person is not LE.

am I wrong?

Recently, I've had some men contact me and when they didn't want to give me the information I required, instead of saying, "No thank you. I'm not comfortable with it," they returned with unnecessary rude comments.  There's no need for it. Just move on.

One gentleman was not comfortable with giving out his phone number, yet he was polite about telling me so, and he moved on to see quite a few ladies in Phoenix. I PMd him about a week later to let him know that I would see him now because he presently has good references from local ladies. Im sorry but some of us don't adhere to the White List. Anyway, I never heard back from him. No problem. It's his choice. Guys! Please don't take it personally if we will not see you without references from reputable ladies who have websites or if you don't provide us with enough information. It's a dangerous world out there and everyone needs to be careful. We provide websites, reviews and people know us. On the other hand, we don't know you from Adam. So, just because a gentleman has a TER handle, that does not mean I will see him.  Everyone has different requirements to satisfy their safety needs. If it doesn't suit you, then please feel free to move on. No rude comments are necessary, and I am not desperate for dinero. This is only part time for me. I have a life and other work outside this business that is flourishing with great friends and a great personal life.

Also, ladies should really stop gossiping about other ladies, especially if they have never met them, as well as gossiping about some of their clients. It is not becoming and it is unprofessional. I stay to myself, avoid parties or interaction with other providers for this very reason. I realize there may be several lovely ladies out there -- and some whom I have corresponded with in the past -- but there is nothing to report on me, so please keep it to yourself. I do not care what anyone else does with their time, so no one else should care about what I do with mine, okay? Just have a great time, and as my Italian uncle would say: "Fogetabouttit"!  :) Some people have way too much time on their hands and low self esteem.

Thank you and have a great weekend!

Hugs,
Ciara

-- Modified on 7/16/2010 11:38:15 AM

" Everyone has different requirements to satisfy their safety needs. If it doesn't suit you, then please feel free to move on. No rude comments are necessary"

I see these posts about guys and ladies getting into trouble and the majority of the time the ladies are not well reviewed established providers and they either screen very little or not at all.But yet like you I get calls from guys who actually act offended that I have the nerve to require references and think that I should just take their word for it that they are safe and discrete gentlemen.

Then they make some rude comment and hang up.

Please remember guys we screen for your safety as well as our own.
Stay Safe
xoxoxoxo
Huggz
Leigh

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and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

:)

Thanks for posting this.

XOXOXO,
Cheyenna

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