Gentlemen, run don't walk to meet this new lady at Desert Divas. On second thought, I recommend motorized transportation to get there faster. This is one hot and talented gal. A real show stopper! I'm still looking for my oxygen bottle. Review coming.

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It's wonderful that you get a discount for shilling, but just post the review and don't clog up the board with this trivial garbage.

capabilities vs. yours.  Obviously you do not understand that this board has been designed for discussion and feedback, which I am now giving.

You talk about "trivial", well, if you have an ounce of comprehension and have read some of the posts' prior to this particual one, you would of noticed other items far more trivial than this.

Think about it, this board is designed for what Muffy just wrote about.  He wrote about his experience w/ a beautiful gal.  

After all, what should he be writting about?  How to dimantle and atomic bomb?

Something of interest to the community, not bragging about a conquest only because he get he gets paid to brag.  

Additionally, the discount received only applies if he gives a good review, so one cannot tell about this lady from this slanted review.

If you want to shill, take it to CL.

If Muffyman is shilling, so be it.  If you don't like it, do not open the posting.  By the way, how do I get discounts if there is such a thing, better yet how do I get paid as you said for pooning and posting?

We have been through this discussion many times before. Any hobbyist who posts a positive comment about a lady on this board, or anyone penning a positive review can be accused of shilling. To be honest about it, I really don't care what you elect to call it if anything at all. What IS important is that the report to the community is accurate and honest. Is that not what this board is all about in the first place? A forum where information can be shared that is helpful in distinguishing reputable, reliable and good providers from the less reputable or capable. You have not challenged me on the accuracy of my reporting or the veracity of my reviews nor can you. I have no problem or hesitation in identifying and/or supporting publicly and privately (through my wallet) any lady who provides an honest and solid service and I will continue to do so into the future, your opinion notwithstanding. In the instant matter, we have a new provider on the scene who is available now and looking for business. She offers an outstanding service IMHO as my review when posted will reflect. You can elect to see her or not based on her looks and performance abilities but to pass on spending time with her because you feel I am shilling would be pretty stupid.

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Shilling on CL? The last time I looked it was mostly Bashing... Muffy I still Like you!!!

mini "must see" "don't walk...Run" etc.. reviews, they are all Agency ladies...It's always the same gentleman, who by the way rarely see independents.
These ladies always get 9's and 10's a few 8's.
All fine and good...but be honest!!!Aren't you getting a reduced rate in return for the posting-advertisement. When ever there is a new lady introduced by the agency those same few gentleman again are beefing up the post...then you can bet you'll see within day the mini review and review to follow all by the same people.
Just go back several pages on the boards or even look at the reviews of Agency gals it is so obvious.
If all gentlemen would write a mini review prior to the actual review...this board would be crazy...Why even have the review section?

Further more What would be said if a independent was doing this...Well ladies maybe not a bad idea...ask your gentleman caller post a mini "must see" review.

Opinion of a independent lady and yes using an aliases for obvious reasons.

Just out of curiosity, who appointed you the spokesperson for this board and the agencies?  Sydney, Brittney, Rachel, Jenna, Megan, Sam.  Most of these girls you posted their first review AND bragged on the board.  Are the girls and the agencies incapable of promoting their own products?  Are the girls that bad that you have to assist in the promotions?  Why does Jenna only rate 7's and 8's, you and another Shiller see her with 9's, and afterwards she only gets 6's and 7's?  Strange don't you think? Wasn't it you who Publicly questioned the Ratings on a review of a provider you weren't shilling for?

Personally, I normally ignore you and other who are "Shilling", but it is unfair to legitimate posters when you waste precious board space.  You are not providing a service to the community, you are providing a service to the agencies.  

As I said earlier, Pimps normally post on CL so take this garbage over there.

Trashy cat has nothing to be jealous of he is a very up standing gentleman.  He too is using the board for discussions and feedback and this is not a trivial post, I think what is upsetting to him and maybe a few others I don't or can't say for sure but It's the trend of a few and what it looks like...
I don't know you or Muffy, I'm sure your both nice men, I know you have posted a few times regarding your ATF and I think that's great I just wish more men would post regarding there sweetie rather than the same people all the time regarding agencies, and I have nothing against them...don't get me wrong Please!!!
It just doesn't look good and I really don't see that on other boards.

Just my 2cents...I know I post a lot of trivial stuff, I certainly don't get much response, and that's ok..

Do we know each other?  Your writing if very familiar.

including myself posted on a previous thread about how good Isabella is and she is an Indy.  The main thing about this post is that it makes people aware of a new review on a rather new provider...I think that is good

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yup, thats right... No reviews and nor will you see any..  that just happens to be my finger print.

Babe, you are correct making people aware...Again, that's not the problem, you all responded to her special, and that's great...I wish there was more for the indy girl although there really is for the most popular indy ladies. But that's not what trashy cat is referring to, it's the same people promoting agency ladies, If the indies had as many new start up mini reviews plus the actual review to follow....then I would say it would be fair...

get some of your facts straight. I looked at my posts going back to September 1 of this year and find "plugs" for Jasmine KS, Emily, Isabella Amore, MyMichelle and Robyn, all independents (well, at least Jasmine was at the time of my post). Were you to go back further, think you will find a pretty balanced "shilling" on my part for both agency and independent ladies alike. You would seem to have a major anti-agency bias and that is your perogative. I, on the other hand, will continue to promote ladies who offer good service regardless of how or where they chose to do business.

are sure getting a lot of promotion and mileage out of this thread!

Looking back thru your posts, all the agency girls have a "run, don't walk, review forthcoming", whereas the indy's don't.  Didn't the indy's give you a reduced rate to Shill them like the Agencies?  Isabella, pretty eyes and thank you, no mention of review.  Jasmine a BTW, reviewed her.  MyMichelle was a reply to a post.  Emily was a reply to her lunchtime special, no run or review mentioned.  Robyn post was a reply to her announcement of going indy, and you told us what a wonderful job her former agency was doing.

I don't have a problem with agencies, I have a problem with Shilling.  What you and other Shillers are doing is helping the agencies get around the TER rules about postings.  Why, if you're so gung-ho on agencies and indy's, don't you try to help the indy's as well?

As I said, Shilling for the agencies doesn't belong here, take it over to CL.

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Muffy was just sharing info a new gal who has no reviews or info  posted.  This helps get new ladies name circulating.  Be happy someone takes the time to post. So what do you  want? just news? go to CNN... shillings? go to London...  frequent flyer miles? then book some  flights ...to be a player? then get in the freakin  game!   Call em as  you see em  boys

Your "fingerprint"?  A fingerprint identifies someone.  With no reviews of known providers, you're hardly identifiable.  I think you meant that it's your m.o.

ya, that too..  anyways, i kinda feel that i've gone long enough w/ out doing a review, i'm kinda like why start now....  know what i mean?  does that make any sense?

It's obvious certain posters are receiving free or deeply discounted sessions in exchange for good reviews and "mini-review" posts on the boards.

It's one thing if an agency wants to reward loyalty by giving a free session, but quite another when the agency expects the poster to go on the boards to make a GLOWING review of every lady he sees at the agency.

Has anyone seen one of the shillers give a so-so review of any agency lady? Nope, it will never happen.

The shillers on this board long ago lost all their credibility with me.

I hope they don't think they are still fooling the rest of the readers when they post yet another great review of the latest new girl.

Wow, lots of commotion generated here over the simple acknowlegement of a great time with a new provider. Well, I was curious so I saw Sydney last night. Muffyman speaks the truth. She is a pleasure to be with. Have a good day.

with Northdak53. The initial post was nothing more than a simple statement about having a good time with a brand new provider. What is all the fuss about? Maybe TrashyCat will session with this lady and then can talk from first hand knowledge about whether or not Muffyman's review is fair and accurate instead of guessing about his motivations or reporting. Time will tell of course as additional reviews are made. My bet is on Muffyman as he is a well known and respected hobbyist in this community. I find it helpful when guys point me in the direction of new girls on the scene.

going 2 dinner with thee Foxy lady, and helping Ms. Manae. Along w/ flying in the "violinist" from CHI-town 4 us, then Joe F. can sit at his desk ,and continue 2 wonder.....positive vibes always!

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Sh-t I am primarily an independent supporter, jus havent met any lately that can deliver, more in the attitude, and issue of staying for the full time paid for. That is the only reason I started with agencies. I like indies, they are easier to deal with at times. But hey, what the hell do I know, just shilling right? how many of you clowns are going to T-minus, ah excuse me, T-mans party? I would like to meet some of you new dudes, and see some of the familiars. I am not on T-birds, ahem, t-mans list and one of your as-s will have to invite me, lol. take care freaks and anti-shilling geeks...lol

No one gave muffyman (or anyone) a discount in exchange for a review..."glowing" or otherwise.  

A fairly large group of hobbyists receive certain discounted rates because they see a LOT of our girls.  Most of these hobbyists are also reviewers...it's that simple.  

When ANY customer uses a business frequently, the business almost ALWAYS has a discount plan or reward system in place for that customer.  Why would escorting be any different?

To counter your quote:   "Has anyone seen one of the shillers give a so-so review of any agency lady? Nope, it will never happen."

Muffyman rated brittney's build as "baby fat".  Flattering no?  Not at all.  In fact, I'd consider it pretty so-so.  He even went so far as to point it out in the details section.

This is not the only example of this.  We don't ask for reviews in exchange for ANYTHING, and to my knowledge all reviews have been honest thus far.

is not unlike that of many independents who offer preferred rates for their regulars.

Look at Jenna (see link), 7's & 8's, Muffyman to the rescue with a 9, and afterwards she gets 6's and 7's.  Suddenly for Muffyman she an "I forgot it was a service" and afterwards she's a "Nice Time"?  

Come on, what's the agreement do you have with the shillers, give the agency girl a good review and we'll lower your rate?  Post a complement on the board and we'll lower your rate?  

We're tired of Shilling post for the agencies.  I think I'm going to notify TER with this example as an example of agencies getting around the posting rules.  Maybe we can get the agencies delisted, then we wouldn't have to listen to shilling.

Other than the agency requires a "run don't walk, review submitted" post on the board.  We're tired of these post, the reviews can be located by looking at new reviews or searching on the provider.

Guess she and I "clic". Were that not so, I would not have booked with her multiple times. You're "reaching" here Trashycat - try keeping it real!

BTW - in all of my reviews, I have only given three 10's in performance. Two were to independent ladies (MJ and Jasmine - although TER knocked her's down to a 9 for some reason but a 10 performance was so stated in my narrative) and one just recently to Sydney, who elects to work for an agency. Are you suggesting that my reviews here are suspicious as well?

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doing for the independents what you accuse muffy of doing for agencies.  Stirring up crap becasue your favorite indy is not happy with the change of scenery in Phx where indys use to rule and now agencies have come into their own with beautiful ladies that perform well.  Why don't you stop shilling and complaining and just go see your favorite ATF and lament together

No one said Muffyman wasn't speaking truth! I'm sure she was wonderful...you would have seen her anyway...new agency-new provider...So post your review in the Review Section...It's all good and were all Happy Now!

I speak the truth, so Im sure Muffy-daddy speaks the truth!  Sounds like not many people in this community have much discretionary income.. Poor broke-dick-dog hobbiests...

Caution a blatant promotional shill to follow!

...Your trivia is well worth the pursuit!!!...

We will now return you to our regularly scheduled program.

Truth in advertising is what is being debating here.  Are the individuals promoting the agencies and their ladies truly reflecting their experiences and are they receiving compensation or discounts in return for their efforts.  In the conventional business world it is not unusual for a client to receive favored treatment based on their relationship with a vendor.  These are generally related to volume of business the client brings to the company in one form or another.  As for truth in advertising, well “Yes Virginia, There is no Santa Claus” or Tooth Fairy or Easter Bunny.  It would be nice from the consumers perspective to known just what the relationship is between these parties.  But is it really our business to know their business?  Those who choose to use and promote the agencies with continue to do so and probably will make a follow-up post to the board and submit a review.  Is it bending the rules?  Probably but without solid evidence to any relationship with the agency what are the collective we to do?  Have them confess so we can ban them from participation?  They have already made denials to these allegations.  So what then, ban them based on speculations and allegations?  What then when I make my favored posts and reviews, will I become subject to the same scrutiny and banishment?  Caveat Emptor say I, so as we may still enjoy the freedom to post what we wish.  The only creditability we carry as that which we create for ourselves.

All the ladies are wonderful...You now are getting personal....You have so missed the point and now attacking someone personally...
Trashycat never said the agency ladies were not beautiful nor was he shilling for someone....

Stop talking out your A** and start more trouble!

Well it seems to me Trashy Cat attacked Muffyman so I guess he stirred up trouble.  a personal attack on Muffyman so obviously you are a indy who is probably the one that put him up to the original attack.  Get a life yourself.

Okay I will see an independent this week some time and post an honest review if you think that agency girls get high scores only. And here is the kicker I will let you pick 3 of them and I will choose which one too see, how is that for a pepsi challenge.