the 1st time azmystique was back in december and i saw robyn. the phone operator at that time was very nice a and easy to talk to and made me feel welcome. she gave me directions to the incall house that they were using at that time over the phone when i made the appointment as i told them that i would be driving up from tucson to make the incall appt the following day. when i got there robyn looked attractive. i would give her an 8 on looks and personality. red flags started goin off for me when i heard another povider in the other room servicing a customer as robyn was servicing me. her performance with me was ok. i have had better. she did all the right stuff but her heart just didn't seem to be in her work. when our hour was up she was like well you gotta go because my next appt will be here in 15 minutes. i then knew that this provider had potential to deliver a much better service but she was undermined by the way this agency was conducting there business. the agency had multiple appt's goin on and it was just wam, bam, thank you mam with the calls just bein stacked one right after the other. i was her 1st client of the day and let me tell you i would not wanna be the last of her day after 9 other guys have been in her. if the pussy tastes like rubbers you are gettin sloppy seconds.

so i saw that they have this new girl jacqui listed on their site and i decided to give them one more try because she looked so hot. i called 3 weeks ago to make an appointment with her and they had a new phone operator who was not very friendly. i made the appt for the following week on a wednesday morning. i told her that i was a repeat customer and that i would be driving up from tucson to see the girl and would like the 1st appointment of the day at 10:00 am (hmmm - i wonder why?). she said we have a new incall location and call us from a certain set of crosstreets 5 minutes before the appt time and we will tell you how to find the apartment. so when i get to these crossstreets i call 5 minutes in advance and they tell me to park at the top of this 4 level garage and go down these stairs to the apt's next door and look for buiding # such and such with apt # such and such on level such and such. when i get out of my car at 10:05 am i call the phone operator on my cell phone and tell her this looks difficult to find. she says "YOU BETTER HURRY UP AND FIND IT BECAUSE HER NEXT APPOINTMENT IS AT 11:00 AM". this made me extremely angry because i knew right then and there that the agency was trying to scam me and i was gonna get shorted on my time with the provider as a result of them making another customers appointment literally within 1 minute of the time when my 1 hour appt with jacqui would end.

these apts are multi leveled like the garage and the signage for the building #'s is very confusing with the apt's using the same #'s on different levels. so after searching for 10 minutes i finally find the apt and i am now standing in front of the door and its is 10:15 am. i am siitng there saying to myself there is no way in hell i am gonna knock on this door and give this girl $350 to have hurried - rushed sex with me for 45 minutes. especially considering the fact that she was fucked raw the day before by 10 guys in 10 hours. her pussy probably still tastes like rubbers and i don't care how how she looks this service is a total scam. needless to say i walked away from the door pissed off as all hell a did not even bother to call the agency and complain beacuse they wouldn't understand, dont care about me or any of the other customers and are only in this business for the money. they are overworking their providers and rude as hell to their customers.

again i made this appt 5 days in advance and told them that i was a repeat customer driving up from tucson and this is how i got treated. that same day i lined up a 1 hour appt with a independent provider who gave me the best service i have ever had and the session went for 2 hours all for the price of 1 hour too. she was more attractive than robyn or jacqui. her pussy tasted fresh and clean and did not taste or smell like rubbers either and was tight. she told me that she only sees two clients a day at the most and only works like 3 days a week and takes a week off once a month for her montly visitor.

What was the name and number of the indy that you saw?

Why don't you put this in the review section. Good along with bad. If you think readers are interested in your slamming some providers, we would probably be just as interested in who the good ones are. Are you for real?

-- Modified on 3/28/2005 3:48:43 PM

Everything he is saying is true so he must be real.

Hmmm,

1st off, I know for a fact that they dont schedule appointments back to back like that.....how.....well when I was their to see India the other provider (Peyton) had her next appointment show up early...she was pissed since he was early and Jack actually asked him to come back when scheduled.

Personally I prefer independents and I do think you'll get better more consistent service....BUT....I've been very happy with both TLC & AZMystiques.

BTW...curious you dont have reviews up on your either of your visits with AZMystique...or with any independents.

Sounds like more Jack and Danny bashing to me....

I have been tempted to call azm, but wanted to wait for someone special...aren't your expectations a little too high?  You only booked an hour and good for them if they're busy-they deserve it.  Just make sure they are clean and freshen up before you get yours.

I wonder if this is even really reviewable? It doesn't really seem its the provider as much as the agency. Sounds to me like a sadly typical agency ( at least most of them) ( TLC and other out here seem good Although I have never used them)

Personally this sounds like the typical LA operation. Where even if there not rushed they ring the girl 45 minutes in and tell her you have 5 minutes left and you getting rushed out the do if your lucky with 50 minutes of time or less.

I hope this is just a rare occurrence. I was thinking of using them myself. I had heard they have a lady in Tucson. Now I'm doubting that decision. Probably better of just to drive up and see Jordan or some other fine lady.

Just my 2 cents

Man, you should write a novel. Wow, your fingers must be really tired. Out of all that crap you just wrote, I am trying to determine what your true point is. You hate azmystique? You hate Robyn? You hate Jaqui? You hate the fact that you have to drive this far for great ladies? You the the independent that you met? What?

Hello allupinyou,  Thank you for your critique of Mystique.  While it is obvious you did not think much of either Robyn or Jacqui and much less of our phone opp I am surprised you chose to even try and book with Jacqui.  In fact, Raina our phone op at the time, called me when your were on the phone with her after arriving at our incall location.  You had called a couple of times and were concerned about getting a full hour as "you were running late".  You spent some time after supposedly getting into the parking garage trying to negoiate rate with Raina.  She indicated to you that the rate was the rate.  You were irritated with that and in fact never showed up at the door for the appt.  Attempts by us to reach you on your phone went unaswered.  Now as to our schedule.  None of our companions are wham bam thank you mam companions.  Robyn does not see more than two to four clients a day.  Most days only two.  Jacqui works a short schedule and most days only has time for two. You comments about their hygeine are totally uncalled for and you should be ashamed for putting down two great ladies whom you know nothing about.  There are plenty of clients who see them on a regular basis I believe would disagree with your assessment.  Had you taken the time to show up for your appointment, or called one of us to discuss your grievance, you might have had a better experience.  From you post I am happy you found another provider who better suited your taste and pocketbook.  Mystique while it strives to give good customer service and provide quality companions knows it cannot please all the people all the time, even though we try.  Constructive criticism is always accepted and appreciated.  That type of feedback only helps a business get better.  Hopefully your new provider will continue to give you the service you described at a rate you are comfortable paying.  If you should ever wish to discuss this in person rather than a public forum feel free to call me direct.  We wish you only a pleasant hobyying experience.  Again, thank you for your comments.

I have had nothing but positive experiences with the ladies from mystique and I've seen quite a few.  If you had a bad experience why don't you call Mystique and talk to the owner, they can't help you if you don't talk to them.  You might also be wise to not go into so much detail about the incall location for obvious security reasons.  If you still aren't happy then write a review, just keep in mind that if you haven't written many positive reviews yours won't he held with much regard.

Okay, a guy has some issues with an agency.  Does the guy have reviews posted here at all?  Does he have any credibility?  Or, is he using an alias?  It seems to me, and I'm just a hobbyist, that even some aliases are using aliases these days on T.E.R.
What is up with that?
All I know is I've used Mystiques three times since they've started, and have always been treated right.  No bait-and-switch, no upselling, and secure location.  Hard to find?  Well, it was hard for me to find the first time, too, but they guided me in on the phone, and hard-to-find is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't really think the person who posted above has an issue for this Board, based upon my experience with Mystique.  
Can't guys just quit bitching and get on with life, and good pooning?  
There are so many great outlets in the Valley these days, both independents and agencies, that if I guy does his research properly, he just shouldn't be disappointed.
Enough of my rant, my ATF is back in town now, and I'd better get over there for some fun!

You said you didn't see "jacqui". So how is it your liitle sectret is better looking? So let me see; you didn't see "jacqui" and the other provider that you said is more attractive only exists in your mind (since no name is given)what does that say about anything else you tell us?

I saw Jacqui and thought she was HOT and very accomadating. Maybe your "10" provider will blow in town with Peter Pan some day and we can all see who she is! LMAO

I find that rather difficult to believe, as I dont know of ANY provider able or willing to do 10 appointments a day, but I can only take your posting at face value. On a good day, their best providers Nikki, Jacqui, Robyn, Michelle & Chrissy have done much less than that, and that is from conversations with them and the owners.

Now I am biased, and have only seen one provider there, Nikki, and I was her last appointment of the day, and it was great.

Did you take up your concerns with their management? Why publicly slam them without attempting to deal with them directly? Looking at their reviews, I do not know how to accept your post? is your review the same way? Were you satisfied with the session? And realistically, does a provider just see 2 people a day? None that I know of.

Also, in regards to being in it for the money, THEY ALL ARE! If they get some pleasure out of it as well, well that is a perk of the job.

I have never had a problem dealing with any provider or agency (Scottsdale Elite, Desert Divas, TLC or AZMystique) in regards to issues that I have had, and it is always resolved within a specific time frame.

Call them up, work it out, but to be just plain pissy...Kind of whinning isnt it?

I, personally, have never seen more than 2 people a day since going independent.  And I know of many ladies who do the same.  I am also in school and persuing other things so I haven't the time to see more than that.  Besides, I like what I do and if I feel like they are coming out like an assembly line, I will start feeling like it's work.  I also limit my appts so I can continue to enjoy what I do.  And yes, I still make a great living and save lots of money and take a nice long holiday at least once a year.  But then again, I don't piss my money away nor give it to anyone either.  I know there are many other ladies like me as well.  When I worked for an agency, however, they made me do appts every hour and rushed the guys in and out like an assembly line.  That's why I went indy.

Never used them, never will.  However, I highly DOUBT the criticism in the above post is real!  Just doesn't sound believable.

Bottom line for me, the owners of this agency spent the past three-four years on this and other Boards criticizing agencies including good ones like TLC and SE, and I find them to be self serving and hypocritical.  This is just my opinion, and, well, I guess I can express that on a "discussion" board! And please note, I didn't use an alias...does that make you feel better Daniel?

I have no doubt that Az Mystiques service is probably top notch and based on the beauty of the women on the site, it is no doubt my loss, but one of principal that I will take (and one my little head will be lilely be pissed about.)  I also find it amusing that since the "big party", these guys have been noticeably silent on this board....any one else concerned about their health or really give a s__t?

So, Daniel and Jack, how about a little humility towards many of the hobbiests who don't feel part of "your community" and have some ill will built up over how you have treated some of our favorites in the past?  That, (and again just MHO) would go a LONG way to aliviating some of the bad will felt lately!

So my last bit of opinion....

For those of you who felt put out by these guys' constant criticism of some great ladies and agencies, continue to support those great ladies and agencies.

For those of you who "love" these guys, enjoy the wonderful ladies they have to offer. (To those ladies at Az Mystique, Independent is a great alternative...

Any out of towners, you will find alot to enjoy here in Phoenix, please excuse the local BS.  We have some pent up feelings over the actions and words of certain people, but it is just that, local BS.  You have many wonderful options.

And maybe, just maybe, we could all stop the BS postings both pro and con, and just ____, well you know!

Hi grinaz.  Just a short note to assure you Dan and Jack are alive and well.  But we thank you for your concern. And yes, you are missing out on some incredible companions by not seeing them.  Just check the reviews.  But alas, maybe one day the little head will prevail, it usually does on most of us.

When I was with an agency it was like I was on a menu at a hotel and up for order every hour lol....Agencies push the girls to make them more money and they see client after client after client..since going independent i am able to make my own schedule and freshen up and have a life that does not make me a robot...I became very exhausted and very sore lol when i was with an agency...Thank the lord for being an independent.
jordan kay

I dont think that there is any doubt that overall you tend to get better service from an independent. Historically I have been very anti agency...in fact if this board has a seach function you can find some very critical posts on TLC 18 months or so ago.

That being said my actual experiences with agencies have been good to excellent. I've never had a bad rushed session with either TLC or AZmystiques. Both the Mystique gals I've seen have been "traveling gals" {goldie & india}. Both times I got great unrushed sessions. THe only real "complaint" I have is the incall is a one bathroom two bedroom...but other than that its set up just great.

I do think volume is an issue with any agency and you need to factor it into the equation. So is developing an ongoing "chemistry". I used to see Jordan Kay fairly often before outside forces broke that particular "cycle" of hobbying. No one from an agency has ever provided that level of "comfort" and service {to me}. MJ (current ATF) provides an equal caliber of service that you just cant find (IMO) with an "agency gal"....

However, a good agency provides quality alternatives and greater flexibility. It's disappointing to see such an obvious "slam job" gather any support.

I havent seen Robyn in years...but I've never heard anyone slam her performance BCD....ever. Call her a flake....yup, but she is one of the sweetest people I've ever met in the hobby or out and cant envision her providing a less then stellar session.

I dont think that AZMystique gets upsold at all, if anything it seems to get trashed much more than it deserves. I cant think of another individual or agency that has had more pure garbage posted about it since I've been here.

Jack went out of his way to post his involvement, even here your adding to the garbage by saying "the majority of readers....can tell". Your implying something underhanded when he's been nothing but above board.

Further, even after starting his own agency he continues to see providers as a paying customer and writes reviews very favorable to them here and elsewhere.

you are right about one thing and thats that perception IS everything...think about how others are starting to view you...

Grinaz....

I've only been posting here for 18 months or so (although I've been active in the hobby all the way back to the alt.sex.prositution days)...

The only "bashing" I've ever seen done by either was specific to "local" vs visitor rates. In fact my postings on TLC were much more negative then anything I ever saw from them. Just recently Jack put great posts/reviews up for Natalie and Pressly of SE...I believe the 1st "press" either of them got. Danny has raved repeatedly about Davie from the same agency...

Why shouldnt a "hobbiest" get "in the business" if they want?

I'm curious which of your favorites you feel where mistreated?
Since you have no reviews up I have no way of knowing.

AZMystique - Great way to handle this critique of your company.  

I have used them twice and each time has been great.  This world ain't perfect and neither is anyone (independent) or any company (agency).  In this hobby, or in ANYthing else in life, you need to realize that there will be good along with bad...so we all have to expect that.  Then, there will always be the times that no matter what happens, an experience will never go right for you and will always go right for someone else - call it fate or whatever.

i have made no reviews on this site or any other up until now because i am very paranoid about leaving a paper trail for law enforcement to use against me. if any of you have ever been arrested for solicitation like i have then you will understand. i have been in this hobby for 22 years and have seen it all; as in the good, the bad and the ugly. i am an arizona native and have seen providers all over the U.S. and mexico. with that said i could post up much worse incidents that have happened to me while engaging in this hobby but i will spare you guys the details as those events are old news and days gone by for me. i am a much more savvy hobbyist than i used to be when i was younger and had to go it alone in this industry prior to having a computer. i appreciate all the insight that this site offers and it is a most useful tool for me to avoid all the downsides that a hobbyist can run into. on the upside the good times for me have been way more numerous for me than the bad times and so this keeps me going. i love meeting new women and enjoying their beauty.

with that said i felt very compelled to write a review on azmystique after my dealings with them because of the fact they offer such beautiful girls yet their service in regards to the whole time issue smells like a scam to me (YES, THE PUN IS INTENDED) i found out about them thru this site and read all the reviews on the girls and they seemed legit to me so i felt safe in trying them. i stand by my review and will not be using them again. the options in phoenix are just to good and numerous recently to resort to this type of service in my opinion.

last but not least, obviously alot of hobbysists are very happy with their service and they will more than likely continue to be happy with there service. but for me i have just come to far in my sophistication of the escort industry to resort to being treated this way. again thanx to the internet and this site the phoenix market has really come a long way from the days of the organized crime syndicate running the bait and switch scam in "the bachelor beat" newspaper. that rag and "the playtime" mag are still on the scene and they still pull this same old shit and yeah anything that reminds me of this in anyway makes me pissed. so when the phone operator named RAINA at azmystiques pulled that shit with me on the phone where she said "you better hurry up and find the apartment because you only have a 1 hour appointment and her next client arrives when you leave at 11:00 am" of course i am gonna go ballistic when i hear that shit. i don't like anybody trying to scam me or rip me off, and i do fight back when they try and do it too.

you might say i am a negative person because my only review on this site is negative, in spite of the fact that i could post dozens of positive reviews on all the good experiences i have had. but again i have been arrested before and so for me to provide what litlle info i have is a stretch for me. so with that said, the bottom line to my post is that i feel that with most independent providers you will not experience the issues and problems that i experienced at azmystiques.

It is nice you acknowledege our contribution to helping so many as they got started.  I believe you were a recipient of that very thing.  For the record, We do not believe we are in competition with any independent or other agency.  In fact, our focus is centered on acting as booking agents for companions touring other cities.  We have a small amount of local companions who are available to our local clients and book the traveling comapnions when they are here.  Hobbyist like variety.  They will move from one campanion to another and on occasion come back with the rare exception of those that are lucky enough to find a ATF that they prefer to stick with.  We have ten ladies on out site.  If these ladies did 9 or 10 a day as has been allleged that is 90 calls a day.  I doubt anyone believes we are doing that.  Being hobbyist we certainly recognize the type of experience a hobbyist would like to have.  We believe we achieve that in most cases.  We have a lot of friends and if they choose to speak well of us so be it.  I notice many of them speak well for you as well as other indys and agencies.  So they must be everyones friends.  We have dealt with the rumors, the lies and the inundo's that you have direct knowlege of and been a part of.  So the perception for us is now reality as it relates to that one statement.  All roads led to one source.  Both Dan and I continued to post positive under indys and other agencies, just do the research and you will find it.  That is us helping to promote competition, not stifle it.  The more variety the better. That drives business for everyone.  In the end most hobbyist come around to visit everyone again at some point.  As for Dan and I this is our last word on this thread.

Damm I typed this whole thing and then I look back and find out none of it posted. Now I’m too tired to try and type the whole thing again. Upshot was that while these observations (as are any observations) highly subjective it is most difficult to ascribe a great deal of validity to them when the individual has no other posts. For two basic reasons. First to know if the person is a real hobbyist or just a lurker or alias type post and secondly when people post multiple reviews other people can decide how close their subjective realities align. That being said the vast majority of reviews for this agency are highly favorable. My own experience tells me they have been great every time I have gone. Some of the concepts presented seemed strange. Any agency that has ½ between appointments is good. I old days they were literally back to back. Next these girls do it for the money not because they can’t get enough dick on their own. That doesn’t mean some don’t like it either. I like my job and some days I love my job. In fact I’m proud of it. I still show up on time everyday because I have bills to pay. If I were very very rich I might do it every so often but not as much as I do. Yes despite all of these things there are some days my heart is not in it. It is more than unrealistic to think the girls are just doing this for shits and giggles and equally unrealistic to imagine they will only see one guy a day (unless he is a monster ass tipper). Those types of providers you simply can’t afford. The next problem with your credibility on this issue is you failed to mention the name of the provider that is supposed to be hotter than Jacqui and gives two hour sessions for the price of one. Now I have actually seen what Jacqui looks like and she is pretty dam hot. So forgive me if in the light of these things I don’t take this with anything other than the proverbial grain of salt.

AzHacker,  I don't know how far back you can search, but if you go back probably about a year, you will see repeated comments critical of agencies (primarily TLC).  One of them went so far , I believe (my age catches up with me) as to advise people not to use agencies.  Given the respect so many have for these guys, that certainly cost the agencies business.

Subsequently, yes, they criticised them for not having local rates. You will also see many posts critical of SE about their rates when they first opened up.  Interesting thing is, AZ Mystigues rates are roughly the same?  

This is why I refer to them as hypocrits.  If you read my post, I never say they shouldn't own an agency, and I don't criticise their agency in the least (In fact I said the opposite, I am in lust with many of their providers).  All I said was that as a matter of principle, I wouldn't use them after watching what they put TLC and SE through.

I imagine in their most honest moments, Taylor and Zoe would admit that they felt enormous pressure from the positions of these people not for the whole "community" as they like to refer to it, but for themselves and a select group of friends

Jack, if I could take back the "anyone give a s__t" comment, I would.  That was uncalled for, and I apologize!

And yes, the little head is so strong that I am tempted to schedule some of my future travels to coincide with those of India and Goldie.  But as to local visits here, alas, I am afraid I am as stubborn as your friend, Danny!

Again, to everyone else, everything expressed by me is just my own opinion.  I have no doubts that this agency is well run and offers good sevice.

I owned an agency in LA for a few yrs. I must faw we tried our best to provide the best service possible.

As for this gentlemen with the gripe. I feel for him I have been on both sides of the fence being an agency owner and a customer. I will say this with out a doubt 99% of the agency women are rushed. The phone girls call out and cut your time. The ladies are in a hurry so that they have to to smoke a cigarette , tidy up and see the next guy in line. I know that most of the agency owners I have know book girls as close to back to back as possible. The only way the agency makes money is if the girls are working and doing there thing. So any agency that tells me that girls only see one -three guys a day is full of shit. Not just that but most of the phone girls make a small wage and then a commission on the # of bookings.

Ok on to the legal side of this depending on how Mr. Gripe was busted  he could very well of lost alot and been ridiculed beyond belief. I personally feel for the guy I was personally on the front page of my home town news paper 28 times and 80% what was said was stuff that was all lies. Cops and DA's lie out there ass to get convictions. So with all that said If I was this guy i would probably not post too many reviews either. Reality is this is all a business of illegal trades. I know after being in this hobby going on over 10 yrs that i have been ripped off more times then i can count on all my fingers and toes. I have had girls do some crazy ass shit. I have had some of the best girls in the world give me great deals. If you look hard enough you will find that women that will enjoy her job and basically be so reasonable that its unbeliveable. I know in LA you had girls that where fashion model and swin suit model quality doing sessions for 200-250 an hour.

All in all I  dont know the guys that own this agency but i will say this They get talked about way too much on these boards. So to me that leads to suspicions. Plus that also leads to fishing expiditions by LE.  I will give them this they have some great looking girls but as we all know looks only go so far if the personality isnt there repeats arent that many.

So I personally am giving the Mr. Gripe a grain of salt. I might also try and see the Tucson girl that they have so i can form a opinion thats more then just prior experiences.

This  debate over  independents  or  agency can  go on forever.  I visit both and know they each have their pros and cons.  Both provide  the opportunity to experience the wondrous  pleasure of women.  Whatever you preference  find a lady who catches  your interest and  give them a call.
As for Mystiques  they  are  reputable agency that has an excellent record of quality and service. I will call them  again along with our other reputable agencies and independents.  
You should  now  resume your  regularly scheduled  pursuit of  fun!

Man you are about as believable as "The ENRON guys", Martha Stewart & Tom DeLay all rolled into one.  You are basically full of s..t, as anyone who has used AZMYSTIQUE will attest to.  Go crawl back under the rock from which you came.  Everone else: "POON ON"!