Ladies I recieved a call from a gentlemen this evening wanting to see me. Once I asked for references he seemed a little confused but then some guys do if previous providers haven't asked for any or they don't screen the gentlemen they see.
Anyway the guy says he seen a lady last week and was very confused as to why I needed this info.
Later I spoke with the lady he "used as a refernce" and relizing
this was a complete story because of her being in another state.
So the guy gave a cb number which I called and of cousrse was a fake.
So now I am wondering, is this LE? Or is this a real guy but was freaked out because of the reference thing?
Either scenario, are references that difficult to give to another provider?
I have many reasons for wanting references that are not for just the apparent. My reviews tell enough as it is about myself that prefer knowing that this guy isn't a known scam or prank caller.
Any comments?
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How can a guy start seing providers if he has never seen any and all he gets is "do you have any reference? no? well, too bad."

Also it appears that some references simply don't remember the guy. I have seen some providers twice who did not remember ever having "seen" be before although we did more than just "see" each other.

It sounds like the guy who called you was just messing around.  I have found that most men are very cooperative & prepared when it comes to references.  Some are hesitant because they're not sure what the providers opinion of them is. I would assume that LE would perhaps be a little more smooth?  I may be wrong.
References are always required with me.  Now that we're on the topic, I'd like to take the chance to thank all of the awesome ladies who've helped me out with refs.  When I started working, I was warned that some gals may be reluctant because they're afraid their clients won't return to them.  I haven't run into this yet and I'm very thankful.  By no means is a reference check client stealing.  It's about safety & integrity.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Thank you all for being helpful.  I'm always glad to help out when called upon.

If a lady doesn't remember you after you've seen her twice than she's probably trying to forget you or you've been driving up and down VanBuren Street!

Ladies have avery right to ask for references and if you don't have any with providers than ask Mya how it's done.

If you can't keep it in your pants long enough for her to check you out than VanBuren may be your answer.

Sorry for the bluntness but if anyone follows this board just about all these issues have been discussed before, including "references" and the different means to accomplish the end which is a session.

Oh - I know - some of you guys don't know me by my allias - all you have to do is read my reviews.  As for BigBoy50 - he's neither "big" nor a "boy." Most providers that know me - know me by a different name or allias and that's the way I like it.  

This is the first time this BigBoy is posting althouth I've been reading for quite a while.  I suggest the same to those of you who just jump in to get a word in.

Well, that is a catch 22 since I always ask for a reference from another lady with no exceptions. But the good thing is, there's still plenty of other fine ladies out there that screen differently and are comfortable accepting some personal info from you before you meet. Once you get established with one lady, then you're pretty much good to go with the "reference only" ladies. The reason I ask for a reference is that I'm hoping that if you were a gentleman with the previous lady you saw, then chances are you'll be nice and respectful when we meet. Knowing where you work or what your last name is doesn't tell me anything, not even if you're LE.

Phoenix is a pretty good place to be and most of the girls are friendly with each other and don't mind helping out in the reference department. Plenty to go around so no need to be nasty. I haven't really run into anyone not giving me a reference other than the typical flake that won't return emails.

Answer a question. What does a new guy do? If I dont have any references how do I start. In addition while I can respect the girls right to ask the question am I respecting the providers right to privacy along with mine. I just saw  a provders web site that ask for things like , where do you work, work phone number along with the usual requests, which does not protect my privacy. I can respect the providers need for safety in their business, but providers need to respect a clients need for being discreet.

Just my .02

well my opinion is that providing my personal information is a very hard thing to do.I belive that is why I have opted to stay in the massage place and incall(swa)arena instead of the independent scene.some info like name,age,place of work,are fine but phone numbers for home or work are not something I im ready to share.I would only assume that i'm not the only one who feels this way.I cannot and will not jeprodize my personal life for an hour with anyone.I do however see the need for references to protect yourselves and your livelyhood as well.as for the gent you are asking about,I would stay away.I could see not wanting to give out too much info but to give you the wrong info on purpose should be a sign of this guys pesonality,and your probably better off not taking a chance.I would at least give you the right info weather it helped out or not.now, a question for you(or any other providers).do places like massage and incall work as a good reference as I cant see how they would remeber me from the next guy?
                           thx,
                          bustass
ps.great new site,and have fun at the (t)ea party.

I have absolutely no objection to giving references.  However, the first time I was asked, I furnished the Provider with the names and contact information of the two most recent Providers that I had seen.  When I met with the Provider that had asked for the information, she made mention of me contacting the other Providers ahead of time for permission to use them as a reference.  This made too much sense to me, and I felt embarrassed that I gave out the others' names and contact information without asking their permission.  Now I do not use a Provider for a reference unless I have their permission.  It's only common courtesy, I think.
The Provider who asked for these references also has instructions on her website for anyone who cannot furnish references.   As I mentioned, I have absolutely no objection to giving references.  I also volunteer as much information about myself, as far as my full real name, my home and work phone numbers, my home address, where I work, etc.  My phone numbers are not blocked or unidentified.  I do this because I realize that a Provider has to feel comfortable about her safety when she agrees to visit with a client for the first and every time.

he was bullshitting... if he really wanted an appointment he would have been up front and honest. That should apply even if he has never seen anyone, which I must also add is one of the most infamous lines you run into in this industry. Although it does happen it is still somewhat rare to run into a hobby virgin... LOL  

Now on to your next point... Guys it should be no big deal to give the referance to another provider. I know many of you guys may wonder what is said during these referance checks and I will keep it real simple for you.

1) Hey did you see such and such?

a) yes

b) no

c) could you give me more info.I really want to make sure  
   100%  before I say yes or no. Date, time, location, quick
   something to jog my memory would help. Call me back and let
   me know...

Now depending on the answer the discussion will continue like this...

a) Thanks for the referance talk to you later...

b) Thanks for the referance talk to you later...

c) He told me he saw you on such and such date, at such and such location, and you talked about such and such.

Now pending this response from this you will get an

a) okay bye

b) okay bye

c) oh okay he was fine... have fun sweetie... K.. talk to you  
  later bye

Many of us simply don't discuss every little detail of a clients session or behavior. We know that every experience with every provider will be different with every client and choose to remain impartial. This insures that not only do we stay friends with each other, but that you as a client/ hobbiest/ friend gets to walk throught the door and have an unbiassed service preformed with no prejudgments made. The only reason for referances is to let us know that you are not an axe murder or LE. Simple as that. I have clients who didn't click with a provider and did with me, and I also have had clients who didn't click with me and did with someone else. It happens... the chemistry is not all there all the time... Reality strikes... Even if you don't "click" it doesn't mean there was a bad session on either's resume'  like I said chalk it up to lack of chemistry...

Guys, I can't say how many times I have gotten a phone call from a potential client only to ask for a referance. At this point I have the guy give me a ladies name after which the gent will say "just ask her about Tom, Dick, or Hairy"... LOL then when I ask for a last name he will reply "oh she knows who I am I drive the Car, Truck, Jeep. Or I am from Texas, Florida,  Arizona"...

You need to provide the lady you wish to see a Full Name, along with the Location and approximate Date of your referance, as well as any helpful tidbits that might make you stick out from the rest of the guys with thte same name when you are handing over another providers name to use as a referance. Do you know how many guys named Steve, John, Robert, Joe, Rick, Bill, Dan, etc. there are in the world. Last names can help a lady out a whole lot when dealing with very common first names. So can the helpful little tidbit. If you don't want us to keep written records... help us jog the ones in our minds... okay... PLEASE... and let us all be thankful for the fun we can and shall have...

Mya can help you out or PM me.

""he was bullshitting"...yes I would have to agree!
"if he really wanted an appointment he would have been up front and honest. That should apply even if he has never seen anyone.":yes again I would agree.
"which I must also add is one of the most infamous lines you run into in this industry. Although it does happen it is still somewhat rare to run into a hobby virgin... LOL"  
that I have a hard time buying.I being a "virgin" as you call it(as far as independents are concerned)cant Imagine myself being the only guy who came across these sites searching google or what not and found these types of sites.I however do my best not to B.S. anyone.Granted I just might be an exeption.So basicly,I just want you to know that there ARE a whole(or at least one)lot of guys that might see people if it were not as complicated as it is.some of us find it a tad easyer to find alternate satisfaction even though we might find you if the personal stakes werent so high.