I believe the review was linked to MJ by mistake. I don't think she qualifies as a BBW.

I believe he was referring to the Madison who used to be Hailey.  From her website, she appears different than she did when she was when I saw her as a devil dames gal (which was, in its day, my favorite agency website, by the way).

If MJ is a BBW then I'm anorexic.

Perhaps its supposed to go to Madison James?

Maybe it'll be easier to book her now!  )  Just kidding, never want anyone to get hurt.

ONeK

FYI- MJ & Madison James are the same person.  Let's take a poll:  is 5'2 & 120lbs considered BBW??

Obviously, a reviewer named "Horny Goat 32" is entirely at fault here.  He called QTs, and thought MJ (Madison James) was going to be his date--she's about 5'3", 115 lbs., quite tight, flexible and athletic.  Instead, his date turned out to be Madison (same first name, but different person), who is much more full-figured.  He then posted a review under Madison James, rather than Madison, who are both in the Phoenix area.  
I hope T.E.R.  Moderator will get this confusion straightened out.

ROTFLMBFAO (Big Fat Ass)
That little tiny slip of a sweetheart would need to eat 24/7 for a year to pack on enough fat to qualify as a BBW! (If anybody knows fat it's me! LOL)

Nor do I, but I was just pointing out that they had been mixed up before, and from the photos I've seen MJ is quite a skinny little thing, nothing at all against Madison James.  Sorry iof it was taken that way

I know what you mean, she's a ting girl! LOL

that reviewer was reviewing then?? I have met MJ in person and she is a tiny little spark plug of sexiness!! But to call her a BBW this poster must be mistaken. Maybe he meant Madison of Madison's Ave, but still I have met her in person as well, she is also beautiful and svelt and a very sexy lady, and she certainly doesn't fit the criteria of a BBW either.
hmmm, inquiring minds want to know lol ;P
~Malissa~ Your BBW Tantra Goddes ;0)

-- Modified on 11/3/2004 9:42:00 PM

Welll.....

depends on what you mean by BBW....

I know I've often found myself crawling out to my car after spending time with MJ...kinda feels like I've Been Butt Wupped...

If you like being rode hard and put away wet then MJ is the gal. Best cardio workout on the planet and one of the sweetest to

Madison James is MJ, MJ is Madison James, Madison is Madison Avenue, MA is Madison Avenue, Tiffany and Malissa my favorite BBW's who are also as beautiful let me see now, Oh hell, there all beautiful who gives a shit, just enjoy.

I believe the "MJ" he may be referring to is Madison of Madisons-Ave.com... so they are NOT the same person... though I would no classify Madisons-ave.com as BBW she is a bit different than MJ. In her own description(Madisons-Ave_, she describes herself as curvaceous 38DD-27-36 and that is definetly not MJ

MJ is short for Madison James.  That is the same girl.  There is ANOTHER Madison that is an associate of the QT's as well and the phone op.  Again, MJ is Madison James.  ; )

Ciao,
xoxox
Isabella

Trust me I know I have seen her with her clothes off, sigh... LOL Although she may have killer curves ( one of the finest pair of breasts I have ever laid eyes on and a bountiful booty that puts J-LO's to shame) she is NOT a BBW, but simply a Beautiful Woman (BW). That goes for her outsides as well as her insides. Smart, Motivated, Sweet, and Sensual... I sing her praises.  


I don't know MJ, but I her she is a BW too.

It posted it under the wrong Madison. I wrote them to inform them. Definetely wasnt MJ. Who I plan to see VERY soon.
And again as I said in my review about Madison, I have nothing against a big O gal. Its just that I am not into full figured woman. Her review page said she was athletic but I can tell she does not visit the gym. I didn't write the review to hurt anyones feelings. It's because I was a little pissed off when she showed up being about 280 or more pounds and being called athletic. I think that the reviews are supposed to be written in truth and it should be told if the pictures do not fit the description. It you look at her pictures you will see a "lighter" Madison. Still doesnt look like she goes to the gym in them but she didnt look obese.
Another gentlemen said something similiar about her but I didn't read it until after I saw her so it was my own fault. I was thinking with the wrong head at the time.
But she is still very pretty in her face.

He says she weighs about 280lbs or more??? On who's scale?? I proudly weigh 240 and am much much larger than Madison, who at my best estimate weighs maybe 140 tops!! Granted I haven't had the opportunity to see her nekid ( lucky az angel)lol...but no way does she weigh more than me!!!
BTW Loverboy...thanks for the compliments!
Also for the record BBW=BIG BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, usually it means someone who is around 200 lbs or more, you may also see the term SSBBW=SUPER SIZE BBW, which is usually 250+ pounds. No matter what the term, with so many choices here in the valley and gentleman knowing what they want and doing their homework they shouldn't be dissapointed when choosing the provider of their choice. You can always ask what the provider weighs if you are a stickler for weight. I don't mind answering that question when it is asked, and I also display my weight on my bio page for those who want to know.
P.S. I work with a personal trainer 3x's a week, doing a very hard workout for two hours, does that qualify me as athletic lol ? :P
Just my 2 cents
Peace Passion and Love,
~Malissa~Your BBW Tantra Goddess!

-- Modified on 11/4/2004 3:27:56 PM

I know that a lot of the woman on here are friends and that is truly fascinating. I am sure many gentlemen can agree. But Redbbw,if you know her,you know she is not 140 pounds. She is a big gal. I can tell athletic from obese. Am I wrong to say she is not athletic? And this is only to those who have actually seen her outside of her portraits that are several years old.
I am not a stickler about weight. Usually the weight could be off 5 or 10 poubds and its no big deal but we are talking a large amount of weight gained. I am sorry but I just cant find it appealing.

There is no need to compensate me. I did not hear from you at all but I do not expect to neither. No worry

This is Madison of Madison's Avenue, and I would like to go on the record here to set a few things straight.  

First of all, I would like this reviewer to contact me or address a few facts on the board for me to clarify this.  

I do not take offense to any reviews, much less bad reviews, and also don't take much notice of them on a normal basis.  However, this review created quite a stir among the people I work with....(phoenix qts) and would like this matter to be resolved in a mature way.

Please identify yourself to me, for this reason...
1) I would like to know the date in which you called the qts and I misrepresented myself to you.  
2) I would like to know when and where I saw you, as I am very good at keeping a mental note of who I see (since i usually do not see many people).  
3) If you do know me and you have seen me, then you would know that when people call and I am answering for the qts, and they ask for "Madison", if I am answering the phones, I will always ask which "Madison" you are looking to see since MJ and I are both listed on the site and very often the clients calling confuse us....hence all the notes on the qts site about which "madison" is answering the phones.

4) I have only seen 4 new clients in the last 45 days, so if you can honestly say that you have seen me, then this review is not current and obviously not accurate or truthful.

5) If you did see me, and you are a new client, then I was not the one that set the appt up.  The only appts I have taken through the QT's are one that was referred to me by Mya, and one appt referred to me by Sydney Page, and I know exactly who those people were.

I am not trying to stir things up or cause any problems but merely trying to clarify this situation and eliminate the problems and lack of trust that has come of this situation.

I never misrepresent myself, I list my accurate measurments on my site, I always let people know what I look like....even though I was hiding my face for some time for personal reasons, I have always emailed a person my photos with my face showing if requested.  The photos that are currently displayed on Phoenix 411 are all current and accurate, with no airbrushing or touch ups at all.  If this qualifies me as being 280 pounds and misrepresenting, then this reviewer seriously needs to check his eye sight!  Several ladies from the QT's were present when those pics were taken by Glen and several ladies can vouch for the fact that I do not mislead people by telling them I am petite or that I do not have the curves I have....what can I say, I was blessed with an hourglass figure, great womanly hips, a j-lo booty and a great set of all natural DD's....but I never misrepresent myself, and I certainly would never have misrepresented myself wrongly for a great company that I had been representing.

Whom ever posted this review....i would love to know who you are, please come forward and address yourself to me.  

Best regards,
Madison (madisons avenue)

at any size. There is nothing wrong with being petite or bbw or anywhere in between. Each lady brings their own special gifts.  

-- Modified on 11/5/2004 4:42:27 PM

I thought a bbw meant Big Beautiful Woman. Am I right? Yes You are beautiful and you are big. Relly I think the term fits you my darling. and a 27 inch waist does not. I am not trying to hurt you dear. I am merely stating that I was all excited and waiting so impatiently for this cute little Madison with a nice athletic body. And it was not hourglass. It was apple. And that is okay. But if it is apple it should say. The term "Athletic" is not correct. I would hate for this to happen again and highly suggest that you correct it on your review page. Your portraits were well done. They hide a lot of the fat. The ones on your site show you a lot thinner darling.
When I called QTS I did not ask for MJ. I asked for another gal that is well reviewed. You said she wasnt available because she was sick. I thought you had a cute sexy voice andI asked to meet ya. You checked some references and we met. I do not need lie. I dont know why you are taking this so offensivly. I merely stated the truth and a lot of people will not have the guts to come out and say the truth. If you are going to be thick that is fine but please let us know that you are. Curvaceous is someone more like Jordan. She has a body that has nice curves. She has an hour glass figure that is curvy and a Jlo butt. But she doesnt hide it neither. She shows what she has and for that reason we get what we see and we are happy. In this case, I got something besides this:
http://www.madisons-ave.com/gallery.htm#

Now who is lying?

I saw Madison and for that reason I am not going to expect any money from you. Again, I think that she is a pretty gal but the pictures really did not show just how big she is. I didnt want to hurt her feelings so I had her stay butI think it should be known that she is not anywhere near the athletic that she supposedly is. I know that another had posted his opinion. No one became pist at him. I just hate being charged for the kind of rate I was charged and then getting what I got. I could have paid less money and saw someone with her same similiar attributes if that is what I wanted. In this case, I would have paid more if I would have known that this is what I would have got and saw someone like British Brooke or Little Debbie. Or someone from Scottsdale Elite or Tlc. They can charge this kind of rate.
I took advantage of her services anyways due to thinking with the wrong head. If I were to take back the money I would feel like a piece of poop. Just forget about it. Do yourself an investment and hire woman who take care of themselves. You do not see Tlc or Scottsdale Elite hiring big o gals. Or if you want to hire them (I know there is a demand for it) make sure that it does state the truth so this doesnt happen again. I rest my case. I hope that this doesnt cause problems when I want to see other woman from your agency. I am a nice guy. You can ask those who have met me. I am very romantic and do not mind spending money I just want better quality. I hope to meet some of your girls in the very near future.

BS Call Mya she will make it right. You were taken and have been offered some sort of compensation, I do hope you call, this only works if everybody is honest and wrongs are turned to rights. Let's get this one right. Call her now, please?

Hornrygoat32 send me a pm. You have told the truth, I saw the pictures on her web site. Those pictures are either very old or are of someone else. I have sessioned with Madison and I know for a fact what your saying. Madison should take those pictures down, that is BAIT AND SWITCH, pure and simple.

It is  difficult to get some parts of the  TER  profile changed.
Once the  first  review  goes in   changing certain parts can be difficult. I know   I have  tried to get provide  profiles updated.   The  terms athletic  thin  baby fat   super nice etc  are  all subjective  and mean different things to different  folks.  
In regards  to review  after  reading the  details the  4 and 3  seem rather harsh.  You had the chance  to politely decline at the  begining  but  " rather than hurt her feelings"  you  went ahead with the session.   I guess  after  you  agreed  to  the session it is fine to come back latter and be hurtful?   That  seems  vindictive.
Madison update  your website  with the new photos.  You are lovely and  people  need to see that.  I  know  you  are  a good  provider but it is impossible  to  to stand up  to  hindsight  which is always  20/20.

what happened was not right.  I'm told Jenny was available and you were mis directed.  I have to believe Mya will make that good for you.  She also got taken as I understand it.  This is exactly the kind of crap that gives providers and agencies a bad name.  Shame on you Madison Avenue.  You knew better.

I do not pretend to know what happened during the telephone call between the reviewer and whoever answered the phone, nor do I know who answered the phone, nor do I know what was said or why it was said.  Like almost everyone else, I wasn't listening in.  And so, I am unable to comment and leave that debate to others.

I will only say what I know.  I have met Madison once, about 3-4 weeks ago.  We have not seen or talked to one another since, and so, you can hardly say that we are good friends, or even friends for that matter.  Madison was warm, intelligent, kind, good humored, and yes, physically beautiful.  She was not just fun to be with in the setting in which we found ourselves, it was clear that she was the type of person with whom it would be fun to spend an afternoon just talking or driving up to Sedona or listening to music.  She was not someone who weighed 280 pounds or even remotely looked as if she did, she was not fat (but she was curvaceous), and as to whether or not she was athletic, I have no idea because I don't know what either the reviewer or Madison thinks that idea is intended to suggest.  And, it seems, therein lies the rub--the term athletic can mean 10 different things to 10 different, well-meaning people.  If Madison believes that she has an athletic build and someone else does not, then at most what we have is a disagreement about who, if anyone, is incorrect. Most certainly, what we do not have is evidence of someone being deliberately untruthful and thus, in such circumstances, to accuse Madison of lying is both unwarranted and unfair.
 
As for the photos, we all know that there are some providers with excellent reviews who do not look as good in person as they do in their photos (indeed, some because their photos are years old), and equally so, there are some who look better, maybe even much better, in person than they do in their photos.  Most reasonable people will agree that the photos of Madison on the Phoenix411 site and the photos that had been up on the QTs site are dead on--they are unvarnished and untouched.  As for the photos on her web site, it should not take much effort to determine which are the most recent, and the most recent photos are unquestionably accurate.  If you disagree, that simply means that we see the world differently.  It does not mean that either one of us is ill-willed.  And, if two reasonable, thoughtful, well-intentioned men can look at the same photos and see two different people, that necessarily means that it is both inaccurate and unfair to say that the photos are somehow instruments of a bait and switch, or that the person in them has engaged in duplicitous behavior.

Elsewhere, Madison said that, by her own choice, she limits the number of men whom she sees.  I am very fortunate to have been one of them.

total bullshit

If you wanat to post why don't you use your real handle.  it is obvious you are a shill.  What i haven't heard is a response from Madison.  I have heard from Mya and MJ and Jenny and some of the other QTs regarding this incident.  I know Madison and have always liked her too.  But in the end this was wrong.  If it had been me I would not have done the session at all.  but that is me not the gentlemen that put the post up.  but the facts remain what happened happened.

And from what it sounds like she went sour on her friends agency? Hmmm? I see her new pictures but they are a bit misleading. They do not show her body. On her site when you go to get a better view of they entire package you see her in a swimsuit. If she was to be in a swimsuit and show up the way she looks now I know that she has put on at least 100 pounds. Some agree, some disagree. But what ever. Yes I saw her. I am a mad. Pu$$y is Pu$$y. All I am saying is that again,I was thinking with the wrong head for one...had her stay...2 I didnt want to hurt her feelings..3 I felt that it was important that I stated my true feelings about her. She got the score for her OVERALL appearance even though shes got a pretty face and I had a hard time getting off on it so I rated her there to. Ifyou are VIP then you can read the review and see what I mean.
MJ, I am sorry they posted the review under your name. I wrote Ter to have it corrected although it hasnt been done I will certainly write them again.

I know Mia is good on her word. I dont expect a refund. Thanks for your imput though.

Sorry to have faded out this weekend, but had a pre planned vacation and was not about to stay home over this!
My phone, email and all contact was put aside so I could relax and get away from all the surfacing BS here in Phx.

To those of you interested in this topic, I think it really has been dragged out way too much!
The reviewing party has not contacted me, has made no effort to try and discuss what happened, and I know for a fact that I never stole any calls or misdirected anyone from Mya's agency.  Mya has always been a very loyal, honest and reliable friend of mine, and so when she needed help from me (answering the phones) I wholeheartedly offered to help her out.  In no way did I take on that position to sabotage her reputation or to direct callers to myself.  Many of the nights that I answered phones for Mya, I was at home, in my pjs, pounding away on my homework.  Although things are misinterpreted all the time, I always tried to make it clear when someone asked for Madison to tell them which Madison I was.  I even went as far as having Isabella put my pic on the qts site stating that I was the one answering phones.  
I don't know how I could have mislead you and honestly, it offends me very much when you state that I am 280+ lbs.  That is very hurtful to have information like that said on the boards.  If I was 280 lbs, I would not be able to wear a size 9 jeans, which is all that fills my closet.  Yes, there have been times when I was a little lighter, but I have always been an "athletic" figure.  I danced all through high school, and up until recently had a trainer for two years and worked out 5 days a week.  Recently I have had to slow down at the gym for health reasons, and I will not get into those know me and know what I have been dealing with...which is not something I take lightly.
The point is, that when you posted that review you not only hurt me, you also hurt the most incredible friend I have come to know in this business.  I was helping her out with the phones, not for my own benefit, but to help her.  Believe me, 20$ a call is nothing when I could have been out making much more on my own, and none of this hearsay would have happened.  You created a bad situation for me, and you are giving me a very bad name for no reason. If you were upset at what happened, you should have spoken up while I was there....if any of what you said even happened....Like I said, I have no clue who you are and why you are being so bashful about coming to me.  
All I am saying is that if you were dissappointed, then you should have spoken up.  Generally I get great reviews, and many people have said that I look better in person.....The pics on my site are from two different photo shoots.  I posted the old pics so that when I started advertising again, people who knew me as "
Hailey" would know that I was back and independent...as I used to work with Devil Dames.  The pics that I had on my Eros ad, phx411 and also formerly on the qts site were all taken very recently (less than 2 months ago), so, if I put on 140 lbs since then, then obviousbly you are referring to someone else in the review, or the review is false and vindictive.  Glenn of Phx411 took those pictures and he can vouch for me when I say that none of those photos were touched up in any way.  The people that know me know that my new photos are completely accurate, which is why I am hesitant about believing anything you have to say about me on this board.
I am an honest provider, I was an honest phone operator and honest employee of Mya's company and I am appalled by your accusations of me.  

Hopefully none of the other honest providers in the valley will ever have to be subject to this sort of treatment, as we all choose who we see, and who we don't.  As for your posts, why are you just coming out to talk on the boards now...?????

Kindest regards,
Madison

I have meet Madison (of Madison's Avenue), and she does NOT weigh 280 lbs.  She has a beautiful face and a curvy figure, and does not deserve this ridicule because of her figure.  Yes, everyone's opinion of "curvy" is different, deal with it.

Heresay and gossip are evil tools.  They breed unkindness, greed, and hate.  All because of one Horny Goat, there are some extremely mean things being said, and even worse, BELIEVED.

So, Horny Goat posted his opinion of Madison (of Madison's Avenue), and it's not very nice, but he's entitled to his opinion.  Why do other slimeballs like danordanny suddenly come out of the woodwork to spread more vicious opinions around?  Why didn't he do that at the time of his encounter, instead of feeding off of other's bad vibes?

Bottom line, I believe Madison is a warm, caring, and good-hearted person, and would not do any of the things said about her.  

DO NOT believe a person's heresay without proof of the truth.

 

I am just not into heavier woman. To me it shows a huge lack of discipline and poor body image is not a good thing. Its unattractive.
I do think that she is a pretty girl. Her face is beautiful. Maybe that was the attraction in her pics. As you can see her face looks thinner in the pics as well. I used to do photography and I know that if you position a person a certain way you can usually change the appearance at a slight degree. Such as, she has her body positioned to the end of the photos so we dont see it. Or she has a jacket on to hide it. I should have known better but again saw her review page said she was athletic. But why would she have these other photos up of her in a bikini that are very outdated? Its just not right to say this is what I am offering. This hot bikini lady and then show up 100 pds heavier. Maybe I was going over board to say she is 280 pds. But I know she has to be at least 200. She posted that she is athletic but athletic means athlete. If you are an athlete you are going to have to drop some of that weight before you injure yourself.

Madison, I am not going to write anymore bad things here. I never meant to make it so public neither. I posted the review with my opinion and then someone posted so I had to reply with my side. I know you are a genuine lady and you are just trying to make it in this world like everyone else.
I am sorry.
I am also sorry for going through with the session. I guess I should have called it quits if there wasnt an attraction. I learned from it. Hopefully you will be able to lose weight and feel better quick.
 

I have read through this entire thread, and all I can say after reading it and talking to Madison, I dont believe a word of horneygoat32. If you really saw her, give descriptions and all the details, that you have left out so far.

I know Madison personally, and I have really had a session with her, and if you call her bbw, dude, get to lenscrafters fast!

I find it truly disturbing that the people that know her, and of her, have all abandoned her except for one positive posting here.

Some of you know me, some dont, but I dont have a bad reputation in this community, and I have spoken to Madison a few time today, and I am on her side 110%. She has made the request for the details, that have not been given...why not?

She is very well known in this community as well, and all this drama is not good for her.

Now, as alot of you know, I hate drama, I confront shit head on, be a man and confront her about it, give the details, hell, describe the session again as I dont see the original review anywhere, but stop screwing around with this womans reputation. It is a good reputation, always has been, and will continue to be.

Come with it or dont come at all!

AdonisAZ

This thread should have died out a long time ago. Some people just cant let things go. Cheers to keeping it honest.

NOW EVERYONE LET THIS THREAD DIE. Please?