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Re:Fragile Provider Egos
The Prince 10629 reads
posted
1 / 20

I grew up in a rough-and-tumble urban culture in a different era, where people challenged me, criticized me, and from these experiences in the crucible I formed a secure ego. When people criticize me now, I step back and ponder: sometimes they are right and I change, sometimes they are wrong and I ignore what they say.
    In knowing many providers over the last three years, I observe that many,not all, have very fragile egos; on several occasions when I made a criticism, their hypersensitivity made it impossible to continue the conversation or even to see them again. They won't jump into the crucible and have a vigorous conversation about what I said. Why is that? One theory I have is that any person born after 1970 could possibly be a product of a narcissistic culture, and narcissistic people hate to be criticized. After all, they are perfect, and what right do I have to be critical?
    Agree? Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines.

twitch3657 7 Reviews 12079 reads
posted
2 / 20

First, hi all, I've been following the board (lurking) with interest for a couple of weeks now, and I just have to chime in here...I think you need to treat them as individuals and cut them some slack. Stereotyping anybody born after 1970 is unfair and as irrational as stereotyping anybody by race, religion, etc. (and no I'm not being thin-skinned by your comment - I was born in 1957). I have found most of the providers to be very warm, friendly, honest people who truly enjoy their profession and provide us with a lot of pleasure without the entanglements (and hidden costs) of getting our pleasure for "free." Their personalities and beliefs are as different as their delicious bodies, and are based upon a number of factors, including putting up with the small percentage of hobbyists who treat them like shit. Not to mention health and LE issues. You have to admit it's unlike any other business. Physically and emotionally, they are as vulnerable and exposed as anybody could possibly be. TER provides us a wonderful resource to share experiences.  I want to know if somebody's pictures are accurate, what services they provide and if they showed up on time. But there's two sides to every encounter, and just as our mileage may vary with them, their mileage may vary with us. If you want to jive-talk in the crucible, you can always restrict your hobby activities to New York street-walkers (I'm not stereotyping, am I?  LOL)

IMHorne 44 Reviews 10781 reads
posted
3 / 20

Sometimes, when one gets criticized, the person steps back and ponders it; if they are right, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T/WON'T CHANGE

lovekandee 12329 reads
posted
4 / 20

What exactly is criticism and what kind of criticism are you talking about?  All it is is one persons PERCEPTION of something else.  Everything that we think and feel is merely our own perception and has nothing to do with anyone else.  There is no need for criticism.  Sure, we have social responsibilities to abide by, but that is simply common courtesy and human nature.  What you're saying here is that others should take to heart what YOU think of them.  Isn't that whats wrong with this world.  Isn't that why we have so much violence in schools, children with eating disorders...I need not to go on about every other social disaster in this world.  Too many people are too wrapped up in social acceptance and it has created a world of havoc.  Why is it so important for someone to accept your perception of them?

IkneadU See my TER Reviews 12316 reads
posted
5 / 20
IkneadU See my TER Reviews 11032 reads
posted
6 / 20

When a person was born may or may not have A SMALL PART of creating a fragile ego. I think you'd be better off getting into the 'nature or nurture' topic for answers to that.

I was born before 1970 and I am perfectly happy with myself and who and how I am. All that I am is what makes me unique. :o) There will people who like us and some even love us but there will also be the ones who don't. That's their choice and their loss. We waste precious time when we worry about those people.

I have two daughters born after 1970 and both feel the same way. That's my argument for the nurturing side of the coin ;o)

jim_dandy 10220 reads
posted
7 / 20

I would not necessarily chalk it up to narcissism as a social or cultural (as opposed to psychological) phenomenon.  I don't think that it is that simple.

I DO think it may have something to do with the relationship between hobbyist and provider.  I mean, a provider expects the hobbyist to be someone whom they have picked out of many choices, so she may be less likely to expect, and more likely to be sensitive to, critcism in that context.

Also, there is a man-woman thing.  All other things being equal (and differences between individuals aside), men want to solve problems and women want empathy.  This may be why men wonder why women cannot handle criticism very well.

Rick777 11649 reads
posted
8 / 20

Fragile egos's?  I have one that is true.  It makes me sensitive to how other people feel.  Its obvious to me that The Prince does not have a fragile ego.  To bad, it would be nice if he cared more about how other people feel, instead of worrying about how to change them.

justmoresimple 11723 reads
posted
9 / 20

Hey Kandee - We've met a couple of times and I seriously enjoy your company:)  But, just a thought.  Relax a little, huh?  Everybody has a right to their opinion-even when they're wrong!

IkneadU See my TER Reviews 11143 reads
posted
10 / 20

then why are there sooooo many ads for penis enlargement, viagra and anything else to help with their sexual performance and why are men catching up to women in cosmetic surgery?

Trust me on this because I'll bet I've been more intimate with more men than you have.... men can be every bit as insecure as women. They are simply insecure about different things and react to criticism differently. Men are used to trying to keep it all inside. They don't like anyone to see that you've gotten to them. Women usually don't care who knows that they're upset! LOL

sierra28 7865 reads
posted
11 / 20

If everybody just once a day didn't do or say something that they wouldn't want done to them the world would be a better place.

MEAN people suck and not in the good way!!!

Arizona Angel 7139 reads
posted
13 / 20

I think at best narcissistic behavior can be defined as an excessive amount of self love and at worst self involvment, basically vanity. I think there is a very fine line between this and self respect or even pride. Many clients really will never know a provider well enough to determine the difference. Seeing someone several times does not allow sufficent time to determine what makes a person tick. Basically you will either click or not. What you said Prince could be deemed as any one of the following discriminations- ageism, sexism, or chauvinism. I guess it depends on your perspective, which everyone by the way is entitled too.

redbbw007 See my TER Reviews 8162 reads
posted
14 / 20

The dictionary defines the word criticize as such: 1 : to find fault with : point out the faults of
synonyms CRITICIZE, REPREHEND, CENSURE, REPROBATE, CONDEMN, DENOUNCE mean to find fault with openly. CRITICIZE implies finding fault especially with methods or policies or intentions REPREHEND implies both criticism and severe rebuking . CENSURE carries a strong suggestion of authority and of reprimanding . REPROBATE implies strong disapproval or firm refusal to sanction CONDEMN usually suggests an unqualified and final unfavorable judgment. DENOUNCE adds to CONDEMN the implication of a public declaration.

When you criticize someone it is an attak on their ego, fragile or not. Some people respond to attacks with an I don't care attitude or immediately go on the defensive. Perhaps if you didn't criticize but Evaluate instead, you would of gotten further with the provider you had problems with. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
The human condition is fragile, words can be more detrimental than bullets. A single harsh word can cut more deeply then a physical act of violence.
When dealing with providers sometimes gentlemen forget that we are women, with feelings, attitudes, opinions, hopes and fears. Most of us wear our hearts on our sleeve. We give so much of ourselves to our clients. We expose much more of our inner struggles, social acceptance issues, self esteem and emotion than any other type of worker in any other job. We know that we are looked at under a scrupulous eye, and judged more on looks then merit. We accept fully the pitfalls and the cloak and dagger style discression this business requires. We don't bitch and moan, cry foul when things don't always go our way, we are women, stronger than most of the average girls, survivors of lifes little faux paus that took us to the path we are on. We all have good days, bad days and ok days. On each of these days we take on the responsibilities to make men feel better about themselves, relax and unwind and cut loose. We don't ask for much in return, a simple fee for our time, respect and kindness.
Like any human being we don't want to be criticized, admonished, our faults pointed out for all to see. We know our faults and our strengths, we deal with them daily. We put on a lipstick smile and bathe in a happy attitude even when inside we may be upset, depressed or tired. We don't tell you our troubles, but invite you to unleash all yours on our welcoming ears. We know that each one of us has a special talent, unique and extrodinary in our own singular way. When we are cut down by those that don't see us for the rare jewels that we are, we sometimes become defensive, distant or standoffish.
Don't for a second think that your words weren't taken to thought, or mulled over and over. Most of the time we chalk it up to chemistry, we just didn't jive with that particular person. It happens all the time. But this is a business and for all the times we have been told to change this or that by customers looking for something other than what we have to offer, we would consistantly be jumping through hoops to please others. We want to please our clients, but not at the expense of our self respect. We live by the motto "to thine own self be true"
My advice is to move on, you gave your criticizms, they weren't well recieved, find someone who meets your criteria all the time and then stick with them. Chances are you won't find a perfect provider, because we are all human with imperfections.
~Malissa~

Arizona Angel 10179 reads
posted
15 / 20
7_spritual_laws 8968 reads
posted
16 / 20

I suggest working on those "fear-based" ways of viewing the world.

IkneadU See my TER Reviews 10107 reads
posted
17 / 20
ppnar 8452 reads
posted
18 / 20

First, I have to question why any "gentleman" would provide criticism to a provider?  What's up with that?

Second, I was watching the tonight show the other night and Madonna was on.  She made the most amazing comments that I will forever hold near and dear to my heart.  I should first explain (relevant to the start of the thread) that I am a HUMAN BEING with feelings!!!!  Nobody likes to be badmouthed or criticized!!!!!!!  It HURTS.  So I cringe when I see a review that says my appearance is a "six".  I really don't think I'm a six!!!!  (btw I do have a few 9's).  But I have learned to accept that every guy just has a different perception of what's "perfect".  And because I'm (blonde, curvy, have green eyes, ect), I'm not going to fit their bill of perfect. So is life.  On to the Maddona quote.  Jay Leno was asking Maddona what she told Britney spears when she was giving advice to her (Madonna is sort of a mentor to Britney now).  Madonna replied...... “I tell her that this is a BUSINESS, and you can’t take the things that people say about you personally.  It has nothing to do with who you are as a person.  When people say things about you, it’s just their EGO talking.  And if I respond, it’s just my ego responding back”.

How perfect is that quote???

Kisses to all,

Parker Pearson from Arkansas

AZDax 8509 reads
posted
19 / 20

I think it's very simple, in my day-to-day life whether it's at work or personal dealings with people I meet, I try to use one rule in dealing with them:
I try to treat everyone in the way I myself would like to be treated. :-)

AZDax 10387 reads
posted
20 / 20

I agree Kandee! But I guess it brings one thing to mind for this person:
"If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all!" :-)

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