Thank you rg334 for bringing to light, in a civil way, something that has been on my mind for a while. I love this site- I have avoided being stuck in most types of bad situations since finding it. My only complaint is the groupthink that occurs with high end providers. If you haven't heard that term before, please see the wiki below.

Once a trend has been established in the ratings, it seems that no one has the nerve to break it. There have been instances were providers or their regulars start threads to deride the "low" reviewer- low being 7's or 8's for looks, and a statement that the photos are a little out of date. The defenses are usually along the lines of how great the provider is, what a sweetheart, etc, but usually stop short of saying that the photos really are totally accurate.

The #1 thing I am picky about is looks. Since joining here and starting to write reviews, I have seen almost exclusively BP girls- ones whose reviews state the photos appear to be just taken. I just refuse to gamble double the amount and then be a little let down if the lady's only photos available are professionally taken and edited, and the reviews say the looks are 9's or 10's, but are silent as to how accurate the photos are. The 9's and 10's given in the reviews are great and all, but due to the groupthink issue and personal variations in opinions, I don't trust it enough to take the plunge.

Ladies- if we turn it around and say that when you open the envelope, and it's not quite what you expected, wouldn't you be a little let down? Even if it's 85% of what you thought... that's still not what you expected.

You don't need to shoot pics with your phone in the mirror, but please have them be accurate.

So i see a provider that was marginal at best and gave an honest review. i get an email from another member as follows:

I know your probably a nice guy, but if you don't like a lady upon arrival you should politely leave rather than stay and then write a terrible review.
Better to say nothing than something bad, as this is how these ladies make their living and 1 review such as yours can really hurt their business, plus ***** has an average of 9.1 with most men really liking their time spent with her.
This is not meant to offend you in any way but rather to ask your knidness of the ladies in the future.

So then the guy goes and gives her a 10/10 which is his opinion granted, but i am pretty sure the review wasn't valid and he actually did not see her . what gives? looking for thoughts and opinions thanks!!

If you're going to write a review - write an honest one!  If not, there's no value at all to this site!

the "White Knight" had one thing right - this is how they make their living.  If they are doing a terrible job, maybe they chose the wrong occupation!  

Every meeting is always a YMMV situation.  Some people click well and haqve a great time - others not so much.  No big deal, better luck next time!





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Thanks Jeffe, I hate the whole "shill" deal. if her "white knight" wanted to save her with a review to offset my honest experience then next time her probably should not email first!!

Honesty is the best policy & sharing is caring, so he is her white knight TER has to many of these bs guys whom favor particular providers.  Forward his rude email to TER support, so his fake 10/10 review is removed.  I for 1 have worked to hard to get to be a reputable provider, and just recently received my 1st 10/10 review ever.  I think it is our job to get the dishonest reviews removed.  Don't feel bad.  The truth shall set you free!

The only useful reviews are honest and accurate ones. If a provider has 10-15 reviews and all are good except for one or two, I'm smart enough to realize that some people just don't click or maybe the provider was having a bad day. There's nothing wrong with writing a less than stellar review if it's accurate.

Someone else commented on "expectations". This leads to the accuracy and honesty of the provider's ads. If I make an appointment to see a provider that says she's 21 years old, 5'4", 115 lbs, 34C but when I get there she's more like 29 or 30, 145+ and 38B then I have a right to be disappointed. Just because she was 115 lbs 8 or 9 years ago (and she has old pictures to prove it) doesn't make me feel any better. Accurate pictures and accurate information should be given in the ads. If a picture in an ad looks too good to be true, I usually pass. I'd rather have pictures taken with a cell phone standing in front of a mirror.

Even though I have only given a certain amount of reviews, I have used the advice of some of the well known hobbyists ie "give a honest truthful review". In the end, I have given honest reviews but the providers who did not like the review of getting a low number would complain to TER and get them removed.  * Providers if you notice alot of the reviews complain about this, For me personally, the number one thing that I like is being punctual ie "on time and on target" if you need another example... go watch the movie 'Act of Valor" and get some advice from "Whiplash".

   3 years ago, when I setup appts, almost all were on time, now just last month, even one of my ATF's was late! not 15minutes, I am talking 90 minutes late, which is a trend that I personally dont like from many of the ladies.  of course the "$300 club and better" usually text you or call and let you know what is going on. In mainstream america, if you were late for a boardroom meeting by 90 minutes.... thats counseling or termination.  For me, when the appointment is ontime, it's a signal to me that the provider cares about ME!

I don't usually post on the dicussion boards, for that matter I don't have too many reviews out there.  I don't post a review when I've seen a provider once or even twice, I will see her a few times before I post, then its a positive one because she has been exceptional.  I believe if I cannot say something good, I just don't say it.  I vote with my dollars and if I've seen the same one more than once that means I like what I see.  I think others are like me as well, therefore the girls with many positive reviews onder the same name must be ones to see.  I appreciate knowing when there are hygene issues, but other than that I chalk up bad reviews to a personality clash.  When a hobbyist posts a bad review based on one visit that tells me he did not getting along with the provider.

Providers need to understand that there are a lot of things that can get a session off to a bad start. Being on time is certainly one of those things. It applies to both incall and outcall. If I've scheduled an incall session and I have to wait 30 minutes in a hot parking lot for the provider to finish with a client that she tried to squeeze in before my appointment, I'm not going to be too happy.

Stating an age that is 5-10 years off or using pictures that are 5-10 years old is another thing that will get a session off to an underwhelming start. If the pictures are old or the age is way off, I'm going to mention that in reviews. Other people deserve to know the truth.

as a hobbyist, if you are willing to write a review, you must be willing to write a bad review if that situation occurs. By giving the benefit of doubt or feeling sorry to not write a bad review of 5/6 only opens up PHX to the influx of these providers who engage in the ripoffs or "cash and dash" or "jumped and pumped"(ladies pimp beating hobbyist). I have suffered personally because hobbyists wont write a bad review warning other hobbyists of those situations.
     In addition, I wrote my bad reviews, some are still posted but most were taken down by TER after the provider complained. What would you write, while on an extended date(overnite), your provider tells you that she is helping a friend she saw while we were at a restaurant/bar to score some drugs to help her out?
Now Hobby48 you cant sugarcoat that in a review unless it goes like this, "even though my provider was scoring some drugs at the restaurant, the salmon filet was tasty with a hint of lemon pepper. the lighting in the bar glistened off her ruby red lips and her tight fitting top made her chest rise like Mt. McKinley at sunrise!

Right On Beach_2011!

are, 9s or 10s. Since when is a 6,7,  or 8 or any combination a bad review? Take a look back at reviews written in 2005, 2006, or 2007 when those scores were common for many good providers.  And one outlier review will not harm a provider's business. Most veteran hobbyists realize an outlier review is going to happen. It's interesting also to note that the OP had just seen a top agency escort in Vegas and gave her a 10/10 before this review he wrote.  

I totally agree with that "groupthink" comment.  As far as the OP being pm'd by another hobbyist, it's happened to me as well and more than once.  In this case, it wasn't to hard to figure out who the "hobbyists" was who contacted the OP, this hobbyist has given out almost 30 10/10 reviews.  As far as I'm concerned, any review he writes is worthless.

As the old saying goes "honesty is the best policy" And this goes both for providers (pictures) and hobbyists (reviews)

thanks hidden, i just want truth in advertising, and a real picture of what the girl looks like. I hate the whole shill deal. this guy emails me and then posts a 10/10. i depend on this board to help me not have me suckered!!!

Is unacceptable. As zona stated, in the "real world" we would be fired. (in most positions)
I value other's time. No matter what the occasion.
I detest being late. It is a sure sign of bad work ethic and disrespect.
I would be mad if a client was more than 15 minutes late
to our appointment. I am always on time and if I feel I will be late (5 minutes) I always call.
It's just common courtesy.
In addition, it does set the tone for the date. I never want the tone to be "a client is annoyed because
I was an hour late."

Thanks for your post zona
Sorry if I just offended all of Phoenix but come on people. Be courteous to others.

I roll my eyes every time I see that "The lady is trying to make a living" line. Welcome to the real world. Guess what -I am trying to make a living too and I'll bet my billable rate is higher than most Ladies. My clents expect me to be on time for meetings. They expect me to NOT misrepresent myself (In my business that could get me sued). If I fail to deliver word gets around fast and there's no TER I can whine to and make the bad review go away.

So get over it ladies. If it's your business then start running it like one.

Okay rg334,  the only thing I will disagree with you on is the girl you are referring to looks like her advertised picture and not 15 to 20 lbs over.   I respect your opinion of the provider, it is my opinion she's a 9.  The looks and performance had always been there for me, perhaps she isn't the best for you.  She has still been a highly scored and reviewed provider.  I honestly think she is worth it.  Once you or I post a review is it that important to have a discussion about it too?  Most like her, you don't...great now we know and have discussed our opinions...honestly

Well said hiddenhills! Grade inflation is a problem lots of places, look what's happened at elite schools for example.
   When I see an outlier low score review I consider what led the reviewer to give a low score etc. and then make up my own mind. I agree with the notion that sugar-coated reviews are pretty worthless.

...for performance based on the objective TER point system but you chose to go outside of the box and give her an undeserved lower score. I don't see that as being honest or objective. I've seen the provider you're likely referring to and when I saw her, her appearance was a knockout! Very meticulous in her grooming and her dress. It could be that she gained weight since I saw her but I would be very surprised based on how important her appearance is to her. Two reviews followed yours; both of them very good scores. I don't doubt that these guys have seen her but just hadn't posted a review of her until now. My review of her is honest.

Drumsticks,what are you talking about??? you sound like a shill!! i had a bad time with her and was completely turned off by her , so how does that warrant a 9? one of the 2 reviews after mine is the guy that emailed my which is on my initial post. get real brother.

I have been pretty fortunate with the dates I have set but then I read a lot of reviews before going to see someone so I have a very good idea of what to expect when I arrive. This wasn't always the case.  Before I found sites Like this one flying blind I had a number of bad experiences.  I will TOFTT every once in a while but have been lucky so far with those as well. (knock on wood)  I guess I feel that if I am going to write reviews and use reviews to find who i want to spend time with I should take the risk now and then with the non reviewed ladies as well to do my part.  I try to write and rate based on who I have seen before and how they compared to the others on my satisfaction. If I went back now after visited a few Amazing ladies and rate those first few the same?  maybe not but I don't feel I should go back and change them now because like me they may have grown in the hobby as well.   I do have one I have been pondering she has been giving me a run around but I want to try and let her make it right before I write a Rob/no show type review. I knew going in by her reviews she can be tough to see so giving her a little more time to make the visit.  but all of that will be in my review I just hope it still ends with a happy ended.

In the last 3.5 years that shill/white knight all he gave was 9/10 's so take that with the grain of salt

Yes, I am odd.  Honestly in looks is the most important.  But what is supposedly done to get 9 or 10's I have zero interest in those high risk (not to mention illegal) activities wind up in police reports in Phx.  Personalty is far more important and the intimacy factor that is so rare vs who can write the greatest how great I was sexually review or how many types of higher risk sex one had.