200-300
I dont know if its me, the fact that iv'e matured, the economy, or the fact that I'm not making six figure's a year anymore --but I have come to a conclusion:
I just feel that there is NO provider worth paying $400-$500 an hour!!!...Even if she does provide GFE , has great personality, or amazing 10 out of 10 body, yada, yada---- is THAT worth $500 an hour?..
My buddy at work says "There is NO piece of ass is worth $500 a pop". And I AGREE..
.$200?.okay. $100 is better...........But $500?..Nope sorry...
I will pay on occasion 400 but prefer 200-300
It seems $300 is going rate in Phoenix. Am i wrong?
And even then your choices are limitted.
If you could afford $4_5xx a good one might be worth it.
For a girl, its her body and her mind. Obviously there are enough guys who can afford to eat well.
You are not the only guy who feels this way, but we all need to comprehend that the ladies know what the econnomy is like and we have to accept their prices.
I'm SURE , A LOT has to do with the fact that I lost my six figure a year job
making $170,000 yr..Back then spending $500-900 on a girl (2-3 times a month) FELT like spending little or
nothing..Literally nothing..
Now that I have been reduced to 35k yr,...... spending $500 feels like E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
....is you need to realize the hobby is NOT a necessity.....that's why it's called a hobby. It's a luxury in a sense. Guess you'll just have to pace yourself with your huge pay-cut.
Some girls do post for 200 , although maybe not on TER in public view but if its a reg and or special. If you are looking for a "pop" experience then your range of 100 is easy to find on BP every 5 mins there are "pop" ads by girls who are indeed cute and not looking for a connection or a lasting friend. I price my fees to what I feel is fair , others do the same. I think when you get over a certain point usurally 250 , the range of quality and time spent gets better.
At the end of the day, this is a hobby, which just like golf - is pricey .
But I do know there are many fine ladies in the Phoenix area that are from 180 to 250 and are very very good at what they do. I am on a budget just as you so have to watch my finances. i like to be able to hobby regularly instead of once per month or every once in a while. I do however think the ladies should charge whatever they deem appropriate. It is after all their body and their business. but I do tend to think that in the summer when things slow here , as they always do. That the ladies with the better rates will get more of the available clients. That being said . A friend told me once that when you sell something and ask a price then that is what that item is worth to you even though other people may think your asking too much.
Vince had some good advice as well. Many ladies offer specials during the summer months. Some of us are happy to grandfather you in at the special rate.
Hunt around a bit for someone you like. You should be able to find what you are looking for at a price that is comfortable for you! Good luck in your search!
I feel your pain. With a daughter in college its far to painful to plunk down more than 200 for an hour of time. I once paid 350 for an hour and the girl was terrible. Since then I haven't been able to bring myself to try the higher end ladies again. I have found an absolutely stellar provider who loves to see me for a 100 half hour but we end up talking for an hour or more afterwards. Unfortunately she is very hard to schedule with. If I ever decide to put more money down I'm thinking I'll ask Krista Starr for a session. She looks very intriguing.
I spent 400 one time with a well known provider, and it wasn't any better for me than a 300 gal. With the econony I find myself in the 200-250 range. ONe thing I like about 200-250 is I can tip if the service was great...at 300 I can't afford to tip period.
It is really all about doing your homework. set the price points you like in the search pick the options you like to have with a provider then start reading the reviews of each as you work your way down. I have found good services at the 100-140 hh and 180-220 hr and have found great service in a few 140-180 hh and 200-260 hour. Also check around on other boards for ads. I will see a post on TER ad being 20 to even 100 per hour more than she will post on another board. Asked why once and she explained guys traveling often are willing to pay a little more and check the national board they are comfortable with and local guys she will be more likely see many times see the local boards for less. Not sure if that why all do that but all I am saying is do your homework and it pays off.
Since I have been at my NEW lower income level..I have realized something else:
Its a myth that the MORE you pay, the better( the hotter ) the lady WILL look...When I was working in vegas
3 years ago--I noticed that MOST ladies charge btw 600-1200 hr . While, the vegas girls WERE no
doubt hot-looking---they are no more hot looking than whats avail here in phoenix for (alot lower prices $2-250hr)..Way to go phoenix girls!!
Thats why Vegas girls HATE to come to phoenix to work- because they HAVE to drop their prices, to match the local phoenix economy, which they cant stand...
Or try to pull off a stupid UPSELL scam!!...
On the flip side of that coin I have met some fantastic ladies from Portland/Seattle area in that lower price point. Many of them end up raising there rates a little since that area is a little lower than us. This week even I seen one that I have seen every visit she has made now I normally leave my tip for the end but she is consistent every single time so I just bumped up what I leave in the beginning from 200 to 240. On my drive home after she calls me to tell me "Baby you paid to much it's only $200 per hour" I said I just left your tip in the beginning she relied with a big thank you. Similar things have happened 3 other times all of those were from that area. how often do you get the you paid me too much calls? I do love those Northern Girls 
Its a myth that the MORE you pay, the better( the hotter ) the lady WILL look...When I was working in vegas
3 years ago--I noticed that MOST ladies charge btw 600-1200 hr . While, the vegas girls WERE no
doubt hot-looking---they are no more hot looking than whats avail here in phoenix for (alot lower prices $2-250hr)..Way to go phoenix girls!!
Thats why Vegas girls HATE to come to phoenix to work- because they HAVE to drop their prices, to match the local phoenix economy, which they cant stand...
Or try to pull off a stupid UPSELL scam!!...
Tipping is for minimum wage service workers sadly not professionals. Americans are tip crazy vs many other countries - some where a tip would be an insult, assuming they are desperate lower class servicers relying on charity like in tips.
Any companion that suggests types are appreciated etc I would totally avoid. I look for flat full cost no gimmicks and certainly have never tipped a professional women,
I do not post here often but this one warranted a response.
Though I understand your consternation, your premise and conclusions are misguided.
So let me make an analogy:
I would love to be driving around in a BMW630ci but alas this is out of my price range so I drive my Honda.
Both cars get you from point a to point b.
There are many ladies that post here that I would absolutely love to see but alas they are out of my price range. So I stay within my price range and I am very satisfied with the 2 or 3 ladies I see regularly that I can afford.
Now that is not to say that if I was able to afford that BMW or the higher priced ladies I may or may not be disappointed and may go back to my Honda or the ladies I see regularly. (And yes I would continue to see my favorites because they are awesome)
Point is there are many things that are very expensive that are well worth the investment and many things that are expensive that are not and in many cases that is in the eye of the beholder.
If you are simply satisfied with a $100 “wham bam thank you mam” that is great for you. Personally I like to have a connection with the providers I see and the ones I have been able to connect with are not $100.
In addition many providers that are very inexpensive are generally high volume (and ladies I am sorry to generalize on that). I don’t care for high volume providers. Also many times the inexpensive providers are in low quality in calls or funky neighborhoods (again ladies sorry for the generalizations).
A few responses here are mirroring what I am saying.
Now I am sorry that you have lost your high paying job and I would say that you probably need to look at many of the other things in your situation you have had to “down grade” to (again apologies to the ladies no disrespect meant). I am sure there are many things you use today that you would love to be able to upgrade back to that you cannot afford anymore.
Just my opinions here Joel.
No escort should be criticized for the market they choose - high end or more affordable (like $200/hr). If the $1000/hour gal gets enough clients that can afford that more power to them.
I never pay more than $200 and for what I seek, more the intimacy, sensual and intellectual connection have found no need to pay more (but I'm not motivated to see often and actually prefer the right sensual massage person vs escort).
I also had last night one of my best intimacy/sensual/intelligent connections with a dancer at Centerfolds. Only did 3 or 4 dances in the VIP but was with her for over an hour - her choice mostly cuddling, stoking, and intelligent discussion. She is stripper who just graduated from ASU with degrees in Psychology and biology. Total cost was $80-$100. I have met quite a few dancers that I have enjoyed more than some escorts on the "connection" side rather than sexy, wild, illegal side.
Since LE enforcement is almost none now at strip clubs (almost as good as pre 1999) and almost as good as the Canadian clubs I enjoyed for many years, its been great for what I seek.
Now need to find something similar to the nude-reverse-release wonderful adult body rubs since that is so hard to find in Phoenix. Do enjoy an escort once in awhile but so hard to find from reviews what is more my interest other than just wild sex.
I just wanted to say I really enjoyed reading your post.
I dont understand why more people cant voice their opinions (like you did) without being rude or insulting others. Everyone has an opinion , everyone has a different standard. What works for one may not work for the rest. and thats what makes this the best hobby , EVERYONE can hobby. There is a price point in everyones range.
riorunner wrote:
"The OP himself states in his second post that he used to think nothing of paying $500 and more a few times a month. So now that he is unable to continue doing so he states that no provider is worth that much?"
Yes, riorunner- It has happened. What happened ?Since I can no longer afford a $500 provider, the economy has made me have a revelation and a conclusion...Am I NOT allowed to change my mind based on my dwindling pocketbook and or lack of funds?? I have come to the simple conclusion that spending $500 on a provider is NOW NO LONGER necessary to GUARANTEE great looks and/or great service.!!!
Not in this weak economy..
But that MYTH is still being PASSED out by the girls who are holding out for the $500 an hr prices..
We call them HOLD-OUTS.... These $500 hr, ( hold- out girls) have NOT given in that the economy is in the dumpster for most of us hobbiests and are STILL charging high prices as the last holdouts on a sinking economical ship .....If you don't believe it- check around and see how many Hobbiests are STILL making their six figure salary of a few years ago........And HOW many hobbiest are still frequenting $500 per hr providers 3-4 times a month???????..Not many my friend, not many.. Any way,to repeat my self--- great services and great Looks are in plentiful abundance with the $200-250 girls, and they are just as seaworthy, and just as stunning as the overpriced $500-$600 per hour Hold-outs ..
Joel;
Of course you have the right to change your mind for any reason you choose. Duh. I never suggested otherwise. My point was, and still is, that I believe bitching about a woman's rate in a board posting is futile. A business woman has the right to run her affairs as she sees fit, I trust the marketplace to sort out whether it's the proper way or not for any given individual. I also felt, and wrote, that Lacey's comments to Sarah were snarky and uncalled for. She's written an apology which is certainly good enough for me.
There's a lot more I could write on this whole subject and your posts. But some of it has already been written and more importantly I don't care enough about what anyone thinks to go to the effort right now.
Ciao..... RR
.....we have the right to charge what we want and you can pay or move on (with some ladies being a regular has its benefits). Stay in your hobby lane but venting/ranting about what you won't pay or what you DON'T think someone is worth won't change anything. You agreeing with your friend mentioning it being piece of ass shows your and his hobby mind-frame. You pay hookers for sex/simply a piece of ass but you paying a professional escort/provider for much more than that yada yada yada.
But you really have to be anal about your research (or else, you get some unwanted anal!)
TER probably is not the right place for that. There are other boards, and some local boards, the best known I think is semi-private or private.
Negotiation is also a little tricky as well. Don't expect a well known TER provider who can fill her calendar any day with $400-$500 sessions to work for $200. However, with the right girl, the right situation, the right presentation, you might be able to shave $100 off the cost of her time. But I emphasize, this takes the right presentation and situation, and no shortage of elan on your part.
BP is by definition a minefield, all budget listing sites are that way by nature. But there are BP ninjas out there. You just won't find too many of them on TER.
I think the better policy is not to get personal with the providers because you don't agree with the rates the command. Instead, find something in your price range, or even slightly out, and work from there.
At first I was kind of agreeing with Joel. But the more I thought about it he is espousing more of less some sort of Hobbying Socialism. I think its self delusion to assume that all things are approximately equal and therefore the level of compensation should be leveled to make things fair for everyone. Mostly in that idea I hear “It’s unfair that I can’t still get what I used to have, I’m going to hold my breath now till I turn blue.” Nothing in the real world is inherently fair and having expectations that it should be blocks you to moving in a way to improve your vantage. Moreover, there is a huge difference in what you get for what you give even if you don’t want to see it. It’s not just what your giving for the “piece of ass” , if fact if that’s how you view it the lower price range seems so much more appropriate, that should factor in; As was said before there are a lot of secondary considerations. I’m much more willing to pay more to know: I can have a connection with the person, someone else wasn’t there 10 minutes before I showed up, The person I’m seeing sees me as a person and not a walking ATM, and that I’m not going to find myself in an uncomfortable situation at any time to name a few. You simply will not find this in the bargain bin I have looked already. Overall, I think the level of compensation more accurately reflects the level of personal intimacy that will be shared and not necessarily more physical considerations. So instead of bemoaning the fact you can’t have the same thing you maybe be a little more introspective and consider what it is that you really want and why. If you find that you really still do want the same thing that you used to have perhaps instead of complaining about the providers you should take a look at yourself and figure out what went wrong. Blaming the economy is a easy way to avoid facing your own shortcomings and seems to be the convent way to not take responsibility these days. It’s not a providers fault they can still make a living at a given rate and it’s too bad if you cannot afford it. Oh and as a final thought, If I had gone from making 170k to 35k I wouldn’t be worrying about the economics of hobbying but rather using the money I might spend there to improve my skills in a more recession proof and profitable line of work. You can always become better acquainted with the appendages at the end of your arm while you regroup.
But at the end of your candlelight dinner you're still a "piece of ass", just like the lower rate girls. No need for the I'm better than you because I charge more statements
I hate to break it to you Rudolph but some of us men don't think of providers as "just a piece of ass". I don't believe Sarah ever claimed to be better than anyone. What she did do, superbly in my opinion, was point out the many facets that distinguish different women's skill sets in an effort to explain why there are different price points in this industry.
Why this is so difficult for you, joel and some others to comprehend I just don't get. Furthermore, I don't get why, in trying to make your point, you feel the need to come across as a misogynist or something? I know guys who say "Hey, in the dark it's all warm and wet on the inside". You sound like you're in that camp. Fine, but try and get your head around the fact that not everyone shares your point of view towards higher priced providers nor appreciates women being attacked for running their business as they see fit.
RR
Are you sure about that?
Quote from oh Sweet Sarah "If all you are looking for is "a piece of ass" for an hour then the lower priced girls are exactly what you need to be shopping for"
Now you tell me how she didn't claim to be better, she performs the exact same bed skills as the lower rate providers. it's a slap in the face to other providrs
Why this is so difficult for you, joel and some others to comprehend I just don't get. Furthermore, I don't get why, in trying to make your point, you feel the need to come across as a misogynist or something? I know guys who say "Hey, in the dark it's all warm and wet on the inside". You sound like you're in that camp. Fine, but try and get your head around the fact that not everyone shares your point of view towards higher priced providers nor appreciates women being attacked for running their business as they see fit.
RR
This whole thing we do is a business transaction no more no less.
The gent puts his money down and the services are rendered by the lady. All this talk about connection and depth of feeling and love is just marketing and very good marketing too.
All of you guys that fall for the marketing and think the lady will fall in love with you or your going to save her from a bleak life are one e-mail or phone call away from a restraining order. These ladies are smart business people.
Truth be told alot of ladies like that wham bam thing, save the gifts and bottles of wine. Show them the money.
All of you guys that fall for the marketing and think the lady will fall in love with you or your going to save her from a bleak life are one e-mail or phone call away from a restraining order. These ladies are smart business people.
Truth be told alot of ladies like that wham bam thing, save the gifts and bottles of wine. Show them the money.
Now its time to list ALL THE SKILLS that a $500hr provider HAS OVER VS a $200 provider....think hard....think harder.. right..nothing..absolutely nothing..