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Re: LMAO...I am no longer an ESCORT/COMPANION...I offer CUDDLING sessions...
DAVEPHX 2273 reads
posted
1 / 20

Alert New Scottsdale Escort Law Passed City Council June 2013
Now effective and arrests being made

Must have contract with each patron, all ads ,websites etc submitted to the city and mandatory 15 days in jail on first offense similar to the Arizona mandatory minimum for prostitution.

License permit # on websites, ads and carry card

Detailed business records

Is similar to Phoenix escort licensing law  

The City summary of law:

Added findings of detrimental secondary effects from escort operations, including health risks and violent crimes

Revised definitions, adding escort assistant, as a person who provides scheduling, driving, security and other services to escorts

Eliminated the requirement that escorts work for a licensed escort bureau, to regulate escorts without an official business affiliation

Added permit requirements for escort assistants to regulate persons who provide scheduling, driving, security and other services to escorts, without an official business affiliation

Provided for city forms for required record-keeping, to limit issues of incomplete records

Added requirement to post City permit/license number on all escort advertising anticipated to attract business in the City.

Expanded list of violations to address illegal sexual services provided by illegitimate escorts

Added mandatory jail time for persons convicted of certain violations of the ordinance

DETAILS include
Application to include in addition to full identification, addresses last 5 years and lots of personal data, website and e-mail addresses used for business and fingerprints required (many fees):

A complete description of the exact nature of the business to be conducted, including advertising theme and method, employment qualifications and copies of contracts to be used with patrons.

Copies of all print and electronic advertisements being used by the applicant.

The person or persons who will have custody of the business records.

All escorts and escort assistants are required to obtain an identification card. This card must be carried on the person of an individual while such person is engaged in the activity of an escort or escort assistant within the city. Such identification shall be displayed upon request of any city police officer or any other law enforcement official.

  Sec. 16-469. Records required.  
 (a)  Every escort and escort assistant shall maintain, on city-approved forms, a complete legible written record of every transaction whereby the permit holder acted as an escort or escort assistant. The record shall show the date and hours of each transaction, the location(s) where the escort and patron went, the job capacity of the escort assistant (as applicable), and the name and telephone number of the patron(s) for whom the permit holder acted as an escort or escort assistant.

(b)  Every escort bureau shall maintain, on city-approved forms, a complete legible written record of the following information regarding each employee: name, including any aliases, address, telephone numbers, job title and job description.

(c) Every escort, escort assistant and escort bureau shall maintain a copy of all advertisements used to attract patrons.

 (d)  Every escort bureau and escort assistant shall: (1) Assist only escorts who have current escort permits issued by the director. (2) Maintain a current list of all escorts assisted by the escort bureau or escort assistant, showing the name and current address of each. (3) Maintain a complete legible written record of which escort is involved in each transaction listed under subsection (a) above.

 (g) The escort shall provide to each patron a written contract and receipt of payment for services. The contract shall clearly state the type of services to be performed, the length of time such services shall be performed, the total amount of money such services shall cost the patron, and any special terms or conditions relating to the services to be performed.

Sec. 16-470. Advertisements.
 All advertisements used by an escort, escort assistant or escort bureau, and likely to be seen by Scottsdale residents, shall contain the Scottsdale permit or license number of the permit or license holder.

Sec. 16-471. Prohibited activities.   (partial list)
(e) It shall be unlawful for an escort assistant to allow an escort to provide sexual services to a patron.

(f) It shall be unlawful for an escort to grope the clothing covering a patron’s genitals, or the clothing covering the breasts of a female patron.

(g) It shall be unlawful for an escort to touch himself or herself, or ask a patron to touch himself or herself, on the genitals, buttocks or breasts (of a female patron). (h) It shall be unlawful for an escort to request that a patron take off his or her clothing.

Sec. 16-472. Penalty.  
A person who is convicted of a first violation of section 16-471 of this article shall
be sentenced to serve at least fifteen consecutive days in jail, and is not eligible for
probation or suspension of execution of sentence until the entire sentence is served.

(Longer jail sentences for repeat offenders - similar to the Arizona mandatory minimums for prostitution)

These are the most important highlights :(

foxy kay See my TER Reviews 1548 reads
posted
2 / 20

I'm sorry, but I'm not going anywhere to get finger printed,or be in a system. To give a receipt of services made, wow that made me chuckle! THis just means referencing just amped up to me...... And that us ladies will continue with our referencing to keep each other safe.    Thanks Dave!

pp001 See my TER Reviews 1001 reads
posted
3 / 20

This is pure bullshit!
Going back to the signing up for drivers license, now you have to adhere to the laws. Nobody should freely give them access to all your information, fingerprints etc just to give them more ammo to accuse you of doing more things wrong.

Our state is broke and this whole thing is another attempt to extort money from the people.
Their so called "classes" and all these fines and threats are just one more attempt at taking money from the people. In this case some of the surviving people which happen to be escorts as they fucked up our economy so bad that we cant do regular business anymore as citizens.
So the ones of us who are motivated enough to not lay around of welfare are being extorted from as a group to pay Arizona. So they threw us out of the economy ....now they want us back?  

Same concept as DUI's and similar to the Immigration. Problem is Immigration only ran off the workers as their was no money to take. Now we just don't have renters for low end apartments so further wrecking housing market. DUI's good as they can take money but people have gotten careful and stay home and drink or take a cab. The same crap is happening in DUI's now new law states you can get a ticket if you are the passinger and drunk and so is driver ....both are responsible for driving ? Seriously?
This state is becoming more and more retarded by the second.

So my advise is to stick together as a group. Don't sign up. Lay low. VERIFY VERIFY VERIFY .
Work within Confines of safe groups. Travel if need be to under radar. Avoid bp if possible.
Don't roll over, clients and ladies.  
Make it hard, no pun ha ha . Make it unprofitable for them.  
Stay Safe and follow process of Verifying , don't get greedy or lazy.  
Hopefully they will at some point find a new target.  
Maybe it will be people who breath air?  
Now there's a Winner

rogue 41 Reviews 772 reads
posted
4 / 20

Ladies,
 Those are great replies and very good advise.
            Thank you.

Dave76015 38 Reviews 846 reads
posted
6 / 20

Our "representatives" have decided pursuing non-threatening, victim-less activities between consenting adults is more of a profit generator as opposed to pursing crimes involving actions that really hurt people physically, socially, and financially.  

RICO asset forfeiture and seizure cases brought against individual providers, paying bonuses to LE based on the dollars seized, unreasonable imprisonment, at what point does it end?

It's time to take a page from the corporate playbook, and buy- I mean contribute and educate- our own friendly politicians.  With the Citizens United SCOTUS decision, anyone can set up a 501(c)3 SuperPAC for "educational" purposes that is completely shielded from donor disclosure requirements.  I'm betting there are folks that would be willing to work pro boner--I mean pro bono (darn you auto-correct!).

I love the name of " The Pro Boner Super Pack"....Donations are not considered solicitations, but educational gifts for time and companionship...

baileym365 See my TER Reviews 788 reads
posted
7 / 20

LMFAO!!! yeah right. They just move on to another lady who doesn't screen. Bad boys have something to hide and avoid being verified at all costs.

Maci_Grayston See my TER Reviews 963 reads
posted
8 / 20

As soon as state and federal governments enact laws in favor of hands on sexual health care.
In addition to licensing, I'm all for manadatory STD testing and education/training similar to a sex therapist.

-- Modified on 8/14/2013 3:20:04 PM

DAVEPHX 868 reads
posted
9 / 20

Having seen legal and political battles for 2 decades my view is working on elected officials will never work.

A group in CA did great job getting their decrim views (and only for private adults not for always doomed trying to include street workers).  They tried for years, got meetings and a program especially geared towards incoming legislators.  And CA is far more liberal than AZ.

As many elected officials told them, even if they were supportive of their views, it would be political suicide to support any decrim move.

Instead of raising PAC money which not sure what practically can be done, in my view need to attack the prostitution law itself, especially in AZ which can be argued is broad and vague (as is now being argued as a minor issue in the Temple case)  Moreover based on wins in the 5th Circuit on adult privacy rights and again Lawrence vs Texas there are attorneys ready to take on the the right case especially in our 9th Circuit.  But it will be a long fight and need $100k to just begin to pay the legal fees involved.  

Remember this going after "prostitution" is backed by very powerful "save the children and stop the trafficking" scam.  Millions of grants going to LE/FBI to spend and the "rescue industry" is raking in millions.  

The public is totally deluded that this goes after saving the children when the vast marjority of arrests and the basis for these new laws, is going after in private consenting adults and the type of great companions active on boards like this.

Just got detailed report of how they are also trying to get customers to help by tracking them in parking lots going from  or to incalls or hotels trying to scare them into being used as references or setting up a provider.  They will pass reference checks - buts its a tool LE is using on the war on in private consenting adult sexwork - legal in almost all the world and no big deal, except in the U.S>

maxwell44 23 Reviews 751 reads
posted
10 / 20

That law is all conflicted.  First, if you are an escort you need a license.  Otherwise 15 days in jail for escorting without a license.  

Next, assuming that you are a licensed escort, you are not allowed to partake in sexual services, grope your client's clothing, touch yourself, or literally touch a client's butt, etc.  Penalty is 15 days in jail... and that is if you are a licensed escort.

Since everything is illegal anyway no matter which way you do it, what is the point of getting an escort license in the first place?  All you are doing is giving the city a bunch of personal information and a fist full of dollars, and then they will bust you anyway.

So the obvious solution is get rid of the escorts section on back page, and replace it with a pedicure section.  Then you can provide pedicures for an hourly rate, with that funny disclaimer that says whatever happens between consenting adults is blah blah blah and giggity giggty goo.

GreekDeprived 649 reads
posted
11 / 20

“and violent crimes” ? What violent crime is committed because of an orgasm??

If that is so dangerous the people who made those statements should volunteer to have their orgasms monitored to insure they do not become VIOLENT!

But, there is hope.  A highly visible member of our government finally admitted that the 50 year war on drugs didn't work.  However it did destroy the lives of many people by sending them to jail with mandatory sentences instead of clinics for drug addiction.  Plus, while in prisons they learned how to actually become a criminal, became aggressive and vicious enough to survive, stay alive.

And the added benefit for everyone is that prisons became more violent when they went past 100% capacity towards 140% capacity.

How anyone could be oblivious to the results of prohibition, ignore simple basic economics has always stunned me!!

Remember when the know it alls in our government reasoned that if they sprayed dope fields in Mexico with Paraquat, that consumers would be too scared to smoke dope?  That spawned the need for testing centers, the need to gain a far better understanding of the plant.

Since it was dope from Mexico that was sprayed, and not in the US it occurred to someone to. Well, grow dope in the USA?!

The knowledge gained from learning more about the plant aided breeding more potent plants.

With more potent plants, growers made more money, attracting more growers. Plus, demand for weed not from Mexico increased driving up prices—attracting more growers!!

Thus the birth of California's pot growing industry.

Maybe we need quickie marriage and divorces spanning an hour or more?

Can it be that the regulations will reduce climaxing to the point that people start immediately falling in love when they first meet? After wards they realize they made a mistake and never see each other again?!

May be they will meet, get engaged, and then realize it won't work out and go their separate ways?  That wouldn't be “Escorting” it would be marriage counseling? Marriage testing service? Marriage inspection and estimating!

Seems that would be great for strengthening the bonds of people who get married after intensive counseling and testing.  Perfect for the defensive of marriage people; perfect for those who want to support traditional “Family Values”.

If you are a Hindu can you simply just be exploring an aspect of religious texts?

I wonder?!! Are the regulations for law makers as stringent with the same amount of detail required?

Do heart surgeons have more or less stringent, exacting rules and regulations?!!
What happens if people who have no intention of getting a license start apply for them and receive one?

No advertising, no need to record not having single client? Easy to fill out business statements and file them. No need to be a “card-carrying” to suite the McCarthy-ites.

Of course members of a political party with a main tenant that less, or no government is better, will be Howling on talk shows, speech-a-fying to empty Congressional chairs, marching in the streets over government intrusion into our personal lives.

Deprived and Disillusioned

pp001 See my TER Reviews 867 reads
posted
12 / 20

YA Just sayin....
 I was at the Scottsdale Licensing Bureau today to get a passport....
SHOCKER ....guess what ?  

There is no escort license form or packet. NONE avail. How can you write a law with req that you have no forms or information about . Talk about hipocritotic laws....  

Again  I call BULLSHIT on this whole scam of arresting girls.

They are asking for girls to do a task that has no forms and doesnt EXIST

then prosecuting for it ?  REALLY ? Is there nothing that can be done about this.  
SOMEONE should call out AZ on EVERY national news channel avail and get publicity to this crazy  
insane crap that is going on here.  

If someone has already been arrested and prosecuted what do you have to loose?  
I would and If I do get entangled in their bullshit web .... I will MAKE them wish they hadn't brought this up with me. This is Wrong on so many levels.  IS not anyone else seeing this whole overall problem ?

We are the people . We own the country . Not this retarded batch of rule makers. WE need to take control of of state employees !

shireman 13 Reviews 663 reads
posted
14 / 20
DAVEPHX 732 reads
posted
15 / 20

As Phoenix TV report a few months ago showed, dating with expected sex is no issue as a growing number of ASU students use "arrangement services" to earn money for school and admit of course sex is part of it just like any dating relationship.  Since money is for date not sex no LE issues.

As I have preached for years, if ad has GFE or other sexual terms implying sex using well known abbreviations, it is a slam dunk prostitution bust with no contact with LE needed.  

Ads should state an hourly rate for time with no suggestion of illegal sex acts.  Explicit reviews are complied in evidence books and often quoted in police reports.  Violate this at your own legal and often felony risk.

This is Arizona not Canada or Europe or the rest of the world that enjoys the adult freedoms we are denied by those that know what is best for us - and make folks think its all about children and trafficking.

Sady in private consenting adults is included in the trafficking law.  If its coerced then its "extreme" trafficking vs just normal felony trafficking if consenting adults in private sexwork.

-- Modified on 8/15/2013 1:06:16 PM

DAVEPHX 794 reads
posted
16 / 20

Scottsdale new law just goes further in making jailable make clear applies to assistance, drivers etc.  But if you have these also can be charged with criminal enterprise felonies as seen bunch of cases in last few years.  

Heck, Madam Rose a decade ago was ticketed for no license and just paid her fine.  She played the little old lady with a cane in front of judge who asked her if she needed more time to pay.  Went on for years without any issues afterwards until sadly died broke years ago.

But that was years ago before the child and trafficking mass scam and the rescue industry funding.

The detailed record keeping also has always been required (at least in Phoenix) but now Scottsdale requires it on a city form instead of your own (ID of all clients/where/when/what etc as before).

tvlaw 58 Reviews 864 reads
posted
17 / 20

No it is not. Sexy, I posted that several months ago... Very Smart pretty lady!

Dave76015 38 Reviews 740 reads
posted
18 / 20

I might need some re-education considering the teacher.  Isn't tuition expenses for Continuing Education Credits tax deductible?

SexyMilf4you See my TER Reviews 643 reads
posted
19 / 20
GreekDeprived 658 reads
posted
20 / 20

"As Phoenix TV report a few months ago showed, dating with expected sex is no issue as a growing number of ASU students use "arrangement services" to earn money for school and admit of course sex is part of it just like any dating relationship.  Since money is for date not sex no LE issues."

Does ASU offer non-matriculating courses for continuing Ed?
Soon, I might qualify for a senior discount, and then look into the arrangement service.  
Where does one go for the arrangement services?

Sounds opposite of what should be true?!

When I was in college we were experimenting with a lot of different morays and norms in a society that though killing protestors on college campus was prudent, acceptable, and beyond legal recriminations.

Now as an adult I have to go back to college so that I can legally enjoy sex without dating?

Hunter S. Thompson you are missing something REALLY strange.

Deprived

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