I don't see the value of the whitelist.  Ter membership can be had without too much check of the Guy.  Granted a Guy with a lot of reviews and a lot of white list references is probably OK, but I think you need to stick with your method of screening.

Blacklist is something that should only be available in the provider only boards.  Girls don't need the hassle of guys complaining about being blacklisted.

One could say the same thing about client reviews. We'd have a lot more honesty in the reviews if guys knew the girls couldn't see them.  But its also easier for a girl to get a seperate ter acct or access to view reviews so it doesn't make sense for ter to block those. Its much harder to get a fake provider acct or be friends with a girl that will show the info.

Just because there was not a connection, a gentlemen gets "grey listed"?  I am certain that I have had experiences where the gentleman did not feel a connection, but the experience was still "ok".  Hell, he may still be kind enough to recommend me to a friend.  If you truly feel compelled to put it out there, perhaps you share it with the provider over email when she contacts you for a reference. To potentially keep other ladies from seeeing him because I didn't feel a connection is simply wrong. C'mon.  

Just my two cents.  

If a gentleman is clean, safe and respectful, I am more than happy to whitelist. It doesn't matter if he knocked MY socks off or not (its nice when that happens but not required). I just hope I'm everything HE expected!

There have been times that I didn't feel I connected with a particular individual for whatever reason. After they left, I thought to myself "I don't think he will be back", but after a while I WAS contacted again. The second time around is sometimes much better than the first.  

When referencing someone, I ALWAYS contact atleast two companions. Hopefully, if a companion has something additional to say, she will disclose it privately. So, to answer your question, I don't think there a need for a "graylist". If and when a companion contacts you, you can just say that he was safe, but that you probably would not see him again.

And not had to go thought all the BS of sending names, #’s and web site links.

But I have been asked to do that and then I just pasted on the date and moved on to someone else.

Some of use guys worked hard to build up a good reputation just like the providers have and don’t need all the Q&A BS.

That’s my 00000.2 cents like it or leave it.  

If the DD era taught us anything it is to be careful, check your sources and always proceed with caution. If you are not going to take White Listed clients reasonably seriously as good/safe clients  then why use TER.

If I am considering seeing a provider, and I haven't done that very often in recent years, I read review, I post people on the site I trust and respect, I have consulted other providers for advice and make a measured decision. That is why I am on TER, for the collected wisdom and experience. Providers should all have a metric they are comfortable with, there are no absolutes.

BTW, I have 40 reviews and have never been White Listed (well maybe once by an agency a long time ago), I have never asked. I assume/assumed that was the option of the provider and her sense of responsibility to the provider community.

Good discussion.

...... that yeah he was safe when I saw him, i'm giving myself as a reference when doing that so when I'd like to assume it means the same for other ladies.  I understand that some blacklistings can be explained and that there are some jealous and/or crazy providers out there.

In one sense, there is a grey area

which is no information whatsoever. No whitelisting. No blacklisting.

Every rating system - 10-point, 5 star, pass/fail -  requires common sense and is up to interpretation from those who give the rating as well as those who interpret what a rating given means. When there is NO rating of any kind, you have that 'grey' area, I believe.

In this case, we are also not refering to a single source standard. TER has a Whitelist, but TER has no Blacklist.

The National Blacklist is controversial, due to a lack of common sense in how it's used. While everyone agrees that a client who was threatening toward a provider should be "Blacklisted" as a safety warning to others, a client who was simply late is not a sut & dry justification, even though some provider thought so and blacklisted him.

TER's Whitelist "...is a list of providers that have seen and will personally vouch for (a) member. You can see the providers profile by clicking on their names." The WL appears to simply be a referral, like any other, except it is attached to a TER handle and published for all the read. The WL may not be controversial, but there may still be some level of interpretation as to the value, validity, and message that is being conveyed by a single given Whitelisting.

What does a whitelisting mean? I guess that would depend on what anyone (provider or client) means by "vouch."

I could be wrong here, but my interpretation of 'vouching' for a client might go something like "he was clean, a gentleman, respectful of time, honored the fee schedule, and did nothing that would alarm or make give cause of concern."

Along with that, I ASSUME that the provider would see the client again and maybe (I say MAYBE) even liked the client, but I realize that is MY added interpretation.

I don't know what two providers specifically communicate during a referal. I imagine that varies quite a bit depending on many factors. But I believe that the end result is simply a "THUMBS UP", or a "THUMBS DOWNS", or even an  more vague  "I won't give a thumbs up or down, he's not LE but not my type of client, he did nothing wrong so you make the call" which may be thought of as that 'grey' area, devoid of definitive information.

I don't thing the TER Whitelisting system is rife with abuse like the NBL. I also think that it only takes a moment or two to look over a given clients whitelistings to draw reasonable conclusions of safety and overall behavior. But, again that is one interpretation, and I am not a provider.

I thin the REAL question is: What do providers, individually or as a group, believe a TER WL represents? In the end that is what is important.


HH

Like all information its a tool. By itself it means nothing to me. Being whitelisted from years ago means nothing. My rule of thumb is that a client must see me at least three times before I feel comfortable enough to white list him. My exceptions to that rule are time based. The whitelist should be reserved for people the companion feels confident enough to give their seal of approval for a safe date.

If a client is whitelisted by companions who will not give references or are pretty much unknown, then it means even less. If the only whitelist a client has is from 2008 its worthless to me. It needs to be current and have some form of legitimacy.

I have never blacklisted anyone, but that day may come.

Just my thoughts YMMV