Wow, I just got slammed with a bad review.  I don't like it because it's national and for all to see and attached to my name.  It sucks and it's terrible.  But it is a tool upon which I understand.  In that light I would like to attach this rebuttal to my name.
 shmeklehead, while I agree with your scores the juicy details suck.  Reading over some other reviews you have I see where I went wrong on my screening process.  
I'm long past the baby stage, I do always arrive freshly showered, I do always carry parts hats.  I'm marketed as a companion and that makes me a real girl.  I'm sorry that my being a smoker was a turn off and I'm sorry that I presented myself in that way as I know it does bother some people.  I have always thought that because I always arrive freshly showered it wouldn't be obvious so for that I'm sorry and recommend to anyone that smoking is a turn off to not to see me.  



-- Modified on 11/13/2011 5:48:41 PM

All providers can control what is in their  profiles. As already pointed out, yours says you don't smoke. FIX IT.

Also consider that if you are going to openly bitch about your reviews, you will find that guys on here will bypass you to keep away from your DRAMA.

This Diva behavior pisses a lot of people off, I have the balls to say something out loud about it without an alias. If you had a problem with the review you should have discussed it in private not blast him publicly, it shows an imature mentality and no class.

Instead of crying and bitching about it, learn from your mistakes!!!

This is not a cat fight or dog fight site. Provider sell time, men buy time and report back.

Here's why I say you are White Knighting. Schmekle's review wasn't a slam - it wasn't THAT bad. I read it & the others, & it was not enough to steer me away.

BUT PAY ATTENTION HERE: Her reply, however, was.

Coincidentally, the last two ladies I saw this month had good review histories, yet both of their last reviews TRASHED them. I went anyway, and had a Top Flight experience with each.

Guess what? Both were frustrated with the bad reviews, but admitted the sessions not standard; one lady was catching a cold, the other had a serious problem earlier in the day.

They were not in denial. They didn't make  excuses.

Those ladies will be fine, one bad review and all.


HH

TER has not put a rebuttal system in yet. I'm not against one, but there isn't one. TER states a mini review is OK but no shills, and there are other rules too. ie FREEDOM OF SPEECH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ISSUE.

The group norm and current culture here is not to whine when you don't like a what someone wrote about you in a review. (There is a process to challenge a wrong review, you know)

Ladies make mistakes fellas. Then get downgraded on a review. So what?  Maybe bailey can help you develop your cahones.


HH

with some gents with this post. Maybe not H,L&V. But you know how backchannel is.

I don't fault her for feeling that way or expressing it. I'm just being pragmatic and saying she would have helped herself by not bringing it up here. That's my take anyway.


HH

I don't see this review as really slamming the OP.  It was his perception of the date and she must realize that he is entitled to his opinions.

But I think her desire to defend herself publicly from a review she thinks is unfair is ok also.  Why get on her case for defending herself?   He made his review public so she has a right to take it public also.

That is what this board is for hobbyists reviewing providers period.......

If you don't bring your A GAME to a session as a provider, then that hobbyist has every right to write a review reflecting it. Does it sting, and suck monkey balls??? Hell yes it does, but I gurantee the next time you will bring your A GAME.

The review was not mean at all in fact he complemented her on several things, a hobbyist shouldn't have to worry about the backlash of posting a review

I agree it wasn't a mean review.  

Her complaints may be unwarranted but I believe she should have the ability to respond.

If you post in a public forum- own your words.   If I post a negative review and the Provider wishes to challenge me in public- I'm good with it.  Bring it on, I say.

Some negative reviews are unfair to the Provider.  We've all seen them.  A Provider who takes pride in her work and feels she has been given an unfair or false review should have the ability to respond.  

I disagree that this board is solely for hobbyists reviewing providers.

Really....... where is the section where I get to review a hobbyist?, because I'd like to throw out some 10's in performance to some Phoenix hobbyists lol

I seem to be under the impression Providers are allowed to post on here, with freedom of speech.  Maybe I'm wrong about that. *shrugs*

I read allot more positive things in there than negatives. I guess in your case "the glass is 1/2 empty"

You ladies have nowhere to post responces to reviews. I think they should be allowed to say whatever they want, just as a guy does in his review. I know on some boards you ladies have sections where only other providers can access & you talk about guys. Lets hear some of that stuff on a public forum.

Vampalisioso

I agree with Bailey... Bring your A Game, but HB is also correct. A public rebuttal or comment should be available to the reviewee. The review stays forever, the rebuttal soon falls off page one.

Further to the thread, when the board is ONLY a hobbyist review site with no input from the other half of the equation, I'm out. This is (mostly) a fun learning experience for me and it takes dialog and opinion from both sides to make that happen.

As to reviewing hobbyists, Victoria did that here not to long ago. Names were changed to protect the guilty, but she did do a shout out to one of her clients for a great time. I thought it was a great thing to do even though I was a little jealous no one ever stands on the church steeple and tells the world what a great guy I am in and out of bed (except me that is)

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.....

that you are a smoker?

Your TER Profile says that you are not a smoker, and in your P411 profile you just indicated - when asked the question.

I admit it wasn't a slam, it just felt like it at the time.  I was embarrassed and it stung.  The most embarrassing part was saying that I wasn't showered and that is what over all spurred me to write the rebuttal but there were other reasons as well.
 I suppose he couldn't have known I am a smoker as I do try to hide it.  I joined this site a few years ago and don't remember filling in the general details.  I thought they were filled in by my first reviewer.  Even if I had, I wasn't a smoker in 08', I picked the nasty habit back up again in 10 and I know it's gross and try hard not to subject others to it.  This I recognize as a failure on my part.
 If smoking is a turn off then I think that it behooves one to inquire.  On 411, the option was something like, prefer not to say, if you see that blank then ask, as others have.  I don't want you to be turned off and I don't want to be the one turning you off.  In making the rebuttal I think I'm doing a pretty good job in letting people know that I am a smoker.  I'm not going to show up reeking of cigarettes and I think it takes someone who is looking for it to find it.  
 I realize and agree that he has a right to express his opinion in his review and of course I'm going to live with it but I recognize too that, especially since it was allowed to be posted, I can respond.

I dont agree with posting it on the board like this. I do agree with what bailey said on how posting this thread makes you appear.

But you do have every right to ask the reviewer why he felt like that and what he would have liked for you to do better.

You could have just PM'd him and asked him in private.

I think it's fine for you to respond to bad reviews and also for him to write whatever he wants as well.  Let's face it there is all sorts of BS on these boards, personally there are girls with mostly great reviews I just don't connect with AT ALL and I leave scratching my head.  But it's OK, I'm obviously different than a lot of guys who liked her (them)... she probably did whatever they wanted and that's what many folks "like".

Now here's the part where folks in the past certain folks took offense (well, it's similar), but I'm going to say it anyway:
... if you really are worried about a "review" of your "performance".... then I can recommend all sorts of interesting books about not getting your self worth from others.... let alone stories on a chat board.

OK

spilled milk.... why bother asking him? it was a done deal once it was posted.....I read it 6/6  nice time right?  Ok busted for smoking  learn from it or post it on profile be  honest....I do understand the hygiene comment  no one  wants to hear that {maybe it was just a little funky for him} sometimes  the best of us  have B.O. now I do feel strongly about  guys lying or posting a fake review more so if it  is hurtful as it takes sooooo long to prove it and have it removed  been there done that LOL....I feel her pain and she needed to vent as she stated it was her rebuttal and as someone else said .... guys board.....sure ....but believe  me if we were not here to comment there would be no boards just a bunch of inflated reviews I think she has every right to write it so we agree to disagree?

I think its very important to PM . I have PM'd in the past to ask what I could have done better? What should I work on to get that 10 , 10.

I believe its a way of learning and improving yourself as a provider.

Kinda harsh don"t you think?  Men do fill out the profile and yes  she could  of put in a problem report in and I am sure she will ... why so much anger here ? I too  have openly biched about reviews  and it felt better to express  rather than surpress my feelings and it was my drama I own it  and my business is just fine  thank you.  Penny hang in there and just learn as you go we have aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall made our mistakes.......learn from them it will make you a better provider  I am wishing you the best this is a hard line of work sometimes  you take the good with the bad dear chin up and  tits forward.......interesting when we want to be mean we hide behind an aliase why is that ??????I will never use one ever ......

Penny,  I haven't met you and I don't know anything about you.  I'm writing this just as a member of the community.

The internet has its share of terrific information and has its share of knuckleheads that write angry stuff because they LOVE TO BE ANGRY at something.  Google your real name and you'll find over a hundred people with the same name and there's all kinds of angry stuff out there.

Now, we might have some "unspoken agreements" here on ter or within the hobbyist-provider community about what we generally expect people to write (or withhold to be polite).  But the internet is uncensored so people do have the freedom to write whatever they want, EVEN WHEN IT"S TOTALLY WRONG.  As many of the reviews say, ymmv.

I do agree with Victoria that people need to not be so harsh...it just lowers the mood of everyone to have so much hate spewing out all over the place.  You can express different points of view (and feel free to do so) but you don't have to be a jerk to get your point across.

I am not going to jump into the fray of right or wrong or free speech.

However, Bailey points out a much more important point in my opinion. The hobbyist should NEVER worry about the backlash of posting an honest opinion of their experience. And its clear the review was not meant to be malicious in nature. This subject has been breached so many times, examples like this are exactly why men worry about screening. The fear of backlash and getting outed. The OP, did all but say his TER ID and expose him to the entire board. How will this affect his hobby future?

I can understand points on both sides of the OP subject matter, but now will the hobbyist be pushed into posting inflated reviews so he does not get the same treatment again? Is that fair to the client members of the board, to be subjected to inflated reviews? And we wonder why guys want to use an Alias Review?

I agree with Halfhour, Women that smoke or don't smoke, does not make a difference.
Women that bitch about a review in public, does not make them look good, very petty,sometimes a closed mouth is a good thing.

If writing a rebuttal steers people away, so be it.  I disagreed.  I wanted it to be known.  HH you say that it is one's duty to report back but you have no reviews on either side of the fence so stop preaching.  I don't think because providers respond to reviews, reviewers are forced to inflate reviews but should consider that they may be challenged once they are written.

-- Modified on 11/14/2011 11:22:55 PM

Agreed. It is one thing to discuss the issue, but another to just simply be mean to the OP or anyone for that matter. If you got something constructive to say, why use an alias? It's postings like this that deters a lot of people from participating in posting in the boards. People are now afraid to get flamed or see postings that are mean, so they just don't participate. I think our boards, or any boards for that matter, will be more livelier and funner if we can all just be a little nicer to each other.

Goodjob to those who are simply just focusing on the issue and not the OP personally. And thanks to victoria for saying at something positive to the OP. I'm sure she feels like crap seeing what others have said to her.

HH happens to be correct, and you are missing the important points. If you don't it by now.....

BTW, since you didn't file a problem report to correct your profile, I did it for you.

I too have pmed  after a review  mostly just to thank them once I got a great review  but scores  said 6/6 I first thanked him for taking the time to write and then asked him what I could do to have made it better than just NICE he said by the ter rule guidelines he  thought  it was right no harm done loved my review now move forward  another 6/6 but this one was totally fake I was not even in that city that time  had cancelled my tour and it was mean  spirited  and TER made me pm  him   his reponse to my nice pm asking him where and what hotel and his name used  were .....his reply , somewhere in LA  and I am done with this!   so then I had to send his reponse to TER only then after having it up almost 10 days  did it get removed  and yes I too posted a rebuttal in LA and here in PHX its just a knee jerk reaction to defend yourself  and Reagan is right along with others  maybe it would be better to keep quiet  its just not who I am . Krista  what would you have done  if a certain hobbiest here had posted  a negative review  a big  time hobbiest that was unhappy  but did not because he does not post bad reviews   how would you of addressed his review? we both know  him and by the grace of God he  chose not to post it  a pm in his case would of done nothing  but hurt you  so until it happens to you  and I hope it never does cuz  you know I luv you girl   you do not know how you will react....just sayin  .......

now that was helpful Oprah  you did a good deed  for her and the hobbeist !  That is how it  should be working together  to make it better for everyone!

It is pretty obvious that our Ladies have little or no recourse to “combat” or even “Rebuke” a poor Review, justified or not. It is the part of the Hobby and the “Reviewing Process” that I like least. We (The Reviewers) literally have the Lady’s livelihood in our hands, so to speak.

Because of that, I have adopted a “No Review” policy for Ladies I can’t give a minimum of an 8 For Performance. Not because I worry about any possible “backlash,” but rather because  I don’t want to hurt the Lady’s business, even a little. Given that I pretty much stick with Ladies who already receive 8’s, 9’s or 10’s for Performance (except for an occasional “Newbie”), I view my less than stellar experience as a possible YMMV situation.

I also see little wrong with the Lady naming her Reviewer, although in this case it would be easy to see who she was talking about, even without her calling him out.

Bailey’s point is well taken, but maybe the Reviewer was seeing her “A Game.” I know with Bailey (as well as Reagan Moore), her “A Game” is a built in part of her “Persona” and she has it with her at all times!

Krista makes a great point. (She is beautiful and smart – and get’s mostly 10’s for Performance!)

I know a Lady on this Board who had a Reviewer say she was “a little heavier” in an otherwise very nice Review. She PM’d him and asked him if he would edit that part of the Review out and he did.

Another way to approach it.

I just learned something new I did know once posted a review could be edited thank you

there isn't a false or hurtful word in that review but i am pulling it despite. TER since 2004, 61 reviews-many of which are in the top 100, one of which alerted me to this 'discussion'. done

May I ask why you feel the need to pull it sir? What was wrote here that bothers you ? I would like to here your thought process  .......Thank you

Yes we have.


HH