Well I guess it would not be proper if I did not respond. First let me say that its nice to see that people love to be petty & hateful here as usual.
I will respond t Jasmine first, You were apologized to & it was cool between you & I. Now you want to start some rant about how you were victimized. You came to my last party if I remember & had a great time(well, what you could remember of it).
As for Ana Bang Bang, you just cant stay out of anything can you? You just love to stir up trouble where ever you go. Guess since you could not stir up trouble in the private group, you gotta do it here. I see you are just as raunchy as ever. As for saying all the guys in the group are bad, well the only thing that was bad in the group was you & your toadie friends that went with you. Good ridence.
Cheyenna, you are just all hurt because I asked you not to email me anymore. You wanted me to post your messages regarding your illness. You want all the time, but when someone wants to see what you will do, you turn tail & become a victim.
Moebius, I have no beef with you. I still see you have an axe to grind with me. I do remember when you were fighting with the moderator of another forum, you copied me in an email stating that I always did right by the ladies & that the moderator of that group was just jelous.
It cracks me up how people will just turn tail & say hateful things just so thatproviders can either post their links up because they have exceded thier weekly quota of posting or hobbyist can get attention from providers & become thier instant hero.
There are still some decent people here that have been true friends & even though they dont always see eye to eye with me on things, they know that I will be open minded & listen to them.Thanks to those individuals.
No matter what you call it, bad ethics, bad behavior, sleezy. It all boils down to one thing. This hobby is all about getting busy plain & simple.
It cracks me up when individuals try to bring in moral issues when it comes to the hobby. There are no morals. I wish these numbskulls would get that straight.
Thanks for allowing me to reply.
TMAN
I have questions:
1. Do you guys know any phone number to contact this site, I want to advertise there, it is called Phoenix411.net. I sent them email and haven't get any reply yet. Please kindly let me know if any of you know any better/faster way to contact them than just email.
2. What is your preference area in Phoenix you like to go for incall?
Thanks a million.
~J.
--- Visiting Phoenix Feb 25-29th.
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Fantastic pic.. I am sure I will be corrected if I am incorrect, but unless you are a permanent local provider/agency in the Valley (ie. Phoenix metro area) you can not advwrtise on Phoenix411. At oe point there was a touring section, howevwr I believe it was taken down well over a year ago. As for where to stay? I am recommend Scottsdale. Good luck! $tay $afe! xoxo Jazz
But I had to cancel my trip to DC this time due to some my other job that ends up require me to be over there
. Maybe someday I'll visit Phoenix.
Xoxo,
~J.
Well I guess it would not be proper if I did not respond. First let me say that its nice to see that people love to be petty & hateful here as usual.
I will respond t Jasmine first, You were apologized to & it was cool between you & I. Now you want to start some rant about how you were victimized. You came to my last party if I remember & had a great time(well, what you could remember of it).
As for Ana Bang Bang, you just cant stay out of anything can you? You just love to stir up trouble where ever you go. Guess since you could not stir up trouble in the private group, you gotta do it here. I see you are just as raunchy as ever. As for saying all the guys in the group are bad, well the only thing that was bad in the group was you & your toadie friends that went with you. Good ridence.
Cheyenna, you are just all hurt because I asked you not to email me anymore. You wanted me to post your messages regarding your illness. You want all the time, but when someone wants to see what you will do, you turn tail & become a victim.
Moebius, I have no beef with you. I still see you have an axe to grind with me. I do remember when you were fighting with the moderator of another forum, you copied me in an email stating that I always did right by the ladies & that the moderator of that group was just jelous.
It cracks me up how people will just turn tail & say hateful things just so thatproviders can either post their links up because they have exceded thier weekly quota of posting or hobbyist can get attention from providers & become thier instant hero.
There are still some decent people here that have been true friends & even though they dont always see eye to eye with me on things, they know that I will be open minded & listen to them.Thanks to those individuals.
No matter what you call it, bad ethics, bad behavior, sleezy. It all boils down to one thing. This hobby is all about getting busy plain & simple.
It cracks me up when individuals try to bring in moral issues when it comes to the hobby. There are no morals. I wish these numbskulls would get that straight.
Thanks for allowing me to reply.
TMAN
I saw a site called www.azmeetingplace.com it looks pretty good. Maybe contact them.
and all you have to do to get on that site which gets virtually zero traffic is give the guy running it a freebie
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why I feel the need to respond , however , it so smacks of personal issues and if you have one , take it up with the person.Probably wouldn't have offended my sensiblities if you had not chosen the alias. In this life we make our own choices and how we live with them is telling.Dingus where are you?
i am wondering why dingus would allow someone to post a link to a site run by someone so unethical that he offers a "positive ter review" in exchange for free or discounted sessions.
defending a well known con artist such as that certainly sheds some light on your character.
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personal attacks . And i have no character so we have no issue there.
you're right
its also not the place for spam.
the girl asked how to get a hold of glen, who runs a reputable site, if i remember correctly.
ive never heard of this site before so have no idea whether your allegations are true.
what proof can you offer?
It is all very true; and, sweetheart, it's just the tip of a very dirty iceberg that is beginning to succumb to global warming...
I hope to hear from you (all) soon
Regards,
Sheika Fatima
[email protected]
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Ahhh silly man - don't you get it? It's so easy for cowards to hide behind an alias and throw stones at other people!
do I really have to go through my email, cut & paste the propotition by TMAN who IS the owner of azmeeetingplace.com which states, "would you see me for $ 100 in exchange for a review". Give me a fucking break all of you defenders of that site. I know of SEVERAL TOP LIST providers that have gotten this type of proposition & mine was sent less than six months ago... He's up to his old tricks - albeit he may be a nice guy - but his style has not changed in the last few years. I know that I will now be banned from his private group (which also has netted me NO BUSINESS other than his tacky proposition) as he has tried to keep his naysayers away - however, after reading the stupidity of the answers posted here I just had to say something, AND because I feel as though my reputation is a tad solid - perhaps y'all may just believe what the hell JUSTSAYNO was trying to say. My guess its a NEW provider who is afraid her reputation will become marred because TMAN enjoyes coming off as the "King" of Poon Valley.... & she didn't want to have to deal with all of the catty things that BOTH providers & hobbyists do to someone who has pissed someone off.
then again, how do I know? Well geeeez I first located to Poon Valley 3 years ago I was innundated with emails by him to be taken under his wing so that he could show me "how it works here"... although he was not quite as zealous as a few other hobbyists, who I will not mention as they are not the issue here were hoping to show the new girl the ropes. Once I had made known that I had already been a provider for 3 years POOF the wannabe white knights went away.
COME OFF IT everyone - all of this bullshit is part of the business........ Get your asses outside & enjoy the day! xoxo Jazz ps.. I have typed this on my TREO so forgive my misspellings & gramatical errors.
I agree with you 100%....the site is BS I too got that email and I also tried to make a post regarding all the BS that is posted everyday, and the king took it down he didn't want any drama on his board.... the truth to that is he didn't want the "TRUTH"
I took my profile down and will never be associated with him again! I never got anything off it either!
Thank you for speaking the truth!
Terri
While reading the posts about T-man, I have a true story to add.
He asked me to trade a 100 dollar session for a review when I was really new. I actually said yes but thankfully it never worked out.
After over a year later a friend told me he was having a party and she was in his group (I had joined but unjoined soon there after, seeing that it was ran "his way" and he was not ethical)who asked if I could give her a ride to the party. I contacted T-man to ask if I could come since she needed a ride and it was far for me to go and the party he had was in the middle and I did not want to have to get her and go home and go back.
Let me add that he and I did fine at the party and he thanked me for coming, then I recently sent an e-mail about the brain tumor surgery I am having and asking him to put a note to his group about the fundraiser and his reply was "Take me off your mailing list". NO compassion at all. HE IS AN ASS.
This is what the e-mail back and forth said basically...I wrote: Hi,
I know that I am not in your yahoo group anymore, but I have been asked several times if I am going to go to your party, and one of the ladies needs a ride, so I need to ask if I can get on the list?
He replied:
let me see you in exchange for a review & I will.
I replied: Way back when I first started out in this biz you wrote and offered me $100 and a review, to which I replied yes. I never got a reply. Turns out, I am thankful for that now.
Nothing personal, but I want to earn my reviews fair and square, not because some one was "gifted" or bribed to leave me a good one. It is a known fact that a review written by you is more than likely bargained for. They do not have any clout with anyone because of that, they carry no weight and show that the provider bargained for the review. I am going to decline your offer and just tell the people who are attending your party that I am not able to attend. I do not have to give a reason. I hope it goes well, is a huge success and you have a great time.Thank you for your consideration even though I am not allowed to attend.
He responded:
if it is important to you, then please be my guest. Welcome to the party.
I replied:Kewl. Thanks. Need any help with anything?
His reply: I could use a good BBBJ & FS in multiple positions for a $100.00. can you help? 602-697-XXXX
TONY/TMAN
My Reply: I meant do you need help with the party. lol But since you asked, let me explain...What I get a donation for is my TIME. My time is 300 hourly. Many good things transpire in that time I will assure you. If that might be acceptable, let me know.
Hr replied:
forget I asked. See you on the 15th.
I guess many of you guys don't blame the guy for trying, but I do not/will not stoop that low, ever. He is in it for HIM and only him and he has made it to my short list of "no way in hell will I ever see him's" I guess the final straw that proved to me how uncaring he is was the way he acted in the reply he sent regarding the fundraiser, and then seeing all these other posts at the same time as me getting his hateful reply.
C
ive seen so many of these emails from so many different ladies that its just overwhelming to me that anyone would have anything to do with this guy.
so you fellas that are up on his sack care to explain why your riding the sack of a lowlife douchebag?
just kind of curious is all
1 he is ripping off anyone stupid enough to advertise with him
2 i wont see anyone stupid enough to advertise with him.
i really dont like the idea of money going to anyone as entrenched in an unendiing pattern of douchebaggery for the last five years as tman has been.
anyone supporting tman really needs to open their eyes to the shit that person gets up to. ive seen the emails he sent out in the past and i want nothing at all to do with him or any of his "members"
do I really have to go through my email, cut & paste the propotition by TMAN who IS the owner of azmeeetingplace.com which states, "would you see me for $ 100 in exchange for a review". Give me a fucking break all of you defenders of that site. I know of SEVERAL TOP LIST providers that have gotten this type of proposition & mine was sent less than six months ago... He's up to his old tricks - albeit he may be a nice guy - but his style has not changed in the last few years. I know that I will now be banned from his private group (which also has netted me NO BUSINESS other than his tacky proposition) as he has tried to keep his naysayers away - however, after reading the stupidity of the answers posted here I just had to say something, AND because I feel as though my reputation is a tad solid - perhaps y'all may just believe what the hell JUSTSAYNO was trying to say. My guess its a NEW provider who is afraid her reputation will become marred because TMAN enjoyes coming off as the "King" of Poon Valley.... & she didn't want to have to deal with all of the catty things that BOTH providers & hobbyists do to someone who has pissed someone off.
then again, how do I know? Well geeeez I first located to Poon Valley 3 years ago I was innundated with emails by him to be taken under his wing so that he could show me "how it works here"... although he was not quite as zealous as a few other hobbyists, who I will not mention as they are not the issue here were hoping to show the new girl the ropes. Once I had made known that I had already been a provider for 3 years POOF the wannabe white knights went away.
COME OFF IT everyone - all of this bullshit is part of the business........ Get your asses outside & enjoy the day! xoxo Jazz ps.. I have typed this on my TREO so forgive my misspellings & gramatical errors.
I know my point - and pretty sure of Chilopsis' stance as well - has to do with the use of an alias, NOT to defend the actions of T-man. I feel that a lot of the crap that happens on these boards is a direct result of the use of an alias.
There were seven different points because of the alias. I jumped the gun because although Just say no chose to not offer the provider who initially posted the reason why he posted - I chose to do so.
My apologies to you & Chilopsis.. I, myself should have clarified that my words were not directed towards you - but to the inevitable few, whether they be posters or, even MORE importantly lurkers that could possibly be led to believe that azmeetingplace is the place to be.
Please forgive my easrly morning ignorance
xoxo
Jazz
I did not defend anyone , nor would I condone any less than proper behavior from the anyone . What my post was about, was the proper forum for a personal attack and the original use of another alias. For my written thoughts, i get my character questioned. My post was not unclear and I would hope some thought would be given before the piling on starts. And Jazz, you know I love you .J
if someone within the hobby operates unethically, this is the forum to out that behavior. no ?
But use your real "name".
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i'm using an alias to protect myself.
thats what an alias is for.
yes i am a coward
several well respected providers and hobbyists have already confirmed what i have said so the post deserves merit regardless of whether or not an alias was used.
you sir are a eunuch expecting those with working genitals to support your position and lend it credence.
If your too pussy to stand behind your convictions then your not entitled to one.
you started quite the little shitstorm for one reason or another and to hide behind an alias is certainly a definitive telling of your character.
In my opinion your character is sadly lacking if you were curious as to my thoughts on the subject.
right or wrong ive never used one and really dont respect anyone who does use an alias. this board would be better served if they simply made them go away.
at least then most of the petty pointless bs would disappear along with them.
i can live with that assessment of my character.
at least i dont extort free or discounted services from the ladies and i've never cheated my peers.
I can assure i have not engaged in such behavior and if you are implying i have indeed done so then you are no more than a liar and a simple fool.
impossible as they could be; the circumstances show it appears your character is even less laudable then i first believed.
ie. you sir can kiss my big fat white ass!
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TMAN is a real douche bag. If you did not already know that, now you know.
Peace.
Was questioning an Alias on his/her remark on Tman. Then he gets attracted by another Alias. Come on you all lets get the Alias’s to post under his/her real name and maybe then we can put an end to this.
What a great bunch of responses to a girl that ended up canceling her Phoenix visit almost immediately after posting about it.
Wish I had got on earlier ... but excellent discussion here!!
What a loss...her pic looked great, wish she would have made the trip.
I have to say, I'm relatively new to PHX, and the hobby community here seems to have much more "drama" than I've seen elswhere.
since velveeta tried to feed her directly to the wolves
i quit tman/tony's yahoo group almost immediately after joining it and the last party i went to was his "retirement from the hobby" party.
yeah i wish.
amazing you guys are upset at someone for using an alias when there's a real scumball at work here.
yes you are all very manly pounding yourselves on the chest and congratulating yourself for posting under your real profile name
SHAME ON YOU for trying to detract attention away from the issue at hand here.
PROVIDER EXPLOITATION - no its not just part of the job but you guys seem to think it is perfectly acceptable and certainly not as big of an offense as some guy using an alias.
did you stop to think that maybe justsayno was trying to do what none of you were man enough (or maybe just unwilling to give up the perks that are provided to members of his group) to do ?
WARN the poor girl ?
the site meetingplaceinaz.com is run by a guy who is rumored (by many many many) to have threatened to call the police, cps, post bad reviews against providers who refuse to give him free/cheap services.
WTF ?
DISGUSTING
yes tman is a douchebag something ive been saying for years.
aliases just cause trouble something ive also said for years.
of the two issues tman starting up a new douchbaggery operation is the more serious problem. he taints the entire local hobby from the top down. all he cares about his getting his nuts off for free and fuck anyone who tries to point this out.
im preaching to the choir i know.
it wasnt my intent to deflect notice from tmans own special douchebaggyness it was my intent to both point it out and point out the use of an alias in this matter is really a cowardly act.
hopefully i didnt detract from my primary message
so again...
tman is a douchebag if you associate with a douchebag your going to get covered in douche water so warn the ladies hes currently duping to find other more useful venues.
its ALL the members of his group.
they know what he does and if they are members, then they are SUPPORTING his behavior.
you guys might accept it as a standard practice but we dont have to.
As you know, the Sheika does not approve of these pathological, low-life, scum bag, shenanigans…
Something needs to be done and I can assure you it will.
Please contact me at [email protected].
Insha’Allah,
Sheika Fatima
and not the guy who used an alias.
because i am flipping AMAZED that provider after provider after provider jumped in this thread and said yeah, he did that to me too .... yet NOT ONE of these "men" showed any outrage to THAT.
and in fact, went so far as to attack the MAN that tried to warn the visiting provider. ballless enuch looks pretty freaking good to me right now.
just as amazed that no "men" showed any outrage; though I'm sure there are more than a few who do.
I hope too see those "men" post in this thread. And, I am sure a few will be in contact with the "tman" in other ways.
The Sheika can hardly wait!!!
Peace and love and best regards to all the noble and fair minded ladies and gentlmen of our community.
Sheika Fatima
[email protected]
if you click on top 10 posters, you'll see i have been a member of ter since 2004 but my first review wasnt until 2007.
i researched heavily before i posted anywhere as an escort and knew about tman long before he ever contacted me... i knew that ter reviews were used to manipulate providers so whenever someone asked me if i wanted one, i just said no.
i figured if i didnt allow them, then they couldnt be used as a tool against me. by the time someone defied my wishes, i had already dealt with most of the predators in this industry and i couldnt get it removed (i tried) without getting delisted altogether so i figured i would let it be.
now i'm glad to be a part of the ter community and grateful for those reviews because they are a valuable marketing tool but i sympathize with those girls who fall victim to tony and guys like him who use the review system against us.
guys who are members of his group, and you know who you are, support that behavior and imo, are just as guilty of it as he is.
you represent all that is wrong in our industry.
well that PLUS the use of alias's (which should NEVER be tolerated of course)
now why did you click ?
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