are you saying that government does not need to make laws about business owners' rights, OR that business owners don't have any rights once they have opened their doors to the public?
So has anyone signed petitions for Gov. BSC Brewer to veto this bullshit?
I understand we live in the Meth Lab of Democracy, but did we not learn anything about SB 1070?
The damage it has done to our economy? My thought is that every legislator asshole that voted for this should be banned from every single restaurant in AZ.
Thoughts
This oddly may help situation like the Phoenix Goddess Temple and all the Tantra folks who are arrested for their spiritual beliefs. If Brewer signs it - bet she won't - this could strengthen the religious rights under the Arizona Religious exemption issue that will be an issue in Court at least in the Temple case after the swat raid and bust of 37 facing felonies even though little or no evidence of "prostitution" only association with an alleged criminal enterprise vs a religious practice.
are you saying that government does not need to make laws about business owners' rights, OR that business owners don't have any rights once they have opened their doors to the public?
this is not the political forum and SB 1062 won't be applicable in our little sandbox, but I believe that every private business owner has the right to refuse service to anyone based on anything he/she desires.. hair color, eye color, ethnicity, religion, number of zits per square inch of exposed skin..
if his actions alienate his customers they will not patronize his business and the problem will be solved when he liquidates..
It is a crying fucking shame that these rights which should be inherent need to be granted via legislation...
On the other hand, non-discriminatory access to any public venue, particularly public venue that the public is forced to use (read: DMV) should be available to every member of the public..
It is a crying fucking shame that these right which should be inherent need to granted via legislation...
who are these legislators the 'represent' the citizens of Arizona? A very bad communication to the World about our state, and distastful in its content. We have some very small mined individuals controlling our State, I just hope the Govener is smart enough to listen to the outcry and do the right thing and veto the legislation, but damage is done already.
very few voters pay attention to the people running for state legislature. The place is full of "one trick ponies" . People that have one agenda item that they are passionate about. They will do whatever it takes to get their agenda item into law, which includes making deals to pass other people's agenda item. Very,very few of them have the big picture in mind.
Also , please keep in mind that Phoenix metro is full of people that have moved here from other states. (including a lot of people reading this, I'm guessing) These new residents do not necessarily match up politically with the rest of the state that live outside Maricopa and Pima counties. The point being, don't assume that yours is the majority viewpoint.
Frankly, I hope the governor makes up her own mind, and ignores the cries of the mob. That is a dangerous way to govern, I don't care which side you are on.
well said, but after being here for 24 yrs, I see the far right as acting as semi-zealots too often, and many of us just watch and don't get involved- our fault.
a large percentage of those far-right you mention are members of a certain religion. If a member of this religion runs for office, then the whole Church turns out to vote for them. It is difficult to beat them in small area races, such as state house. Plus they run under the cover of a party that they don't necessarily align with. Sorry, don't get me started.
I understand we live in the Meth Lab of Democracy, but did we not learn anything about SB 1070?
The damage it has done to our economy? My thought is that every legislator asshole that voted for this should be banned from every single restaurant in AZ.
Thoughts?
Do I think it should be a law? No. It's common sense. If I run a private business I should be able to choose who I take as customers. End of story
Yes, a "private" business should be able to pick and choose customers, but remember "private" means that your business would have to be a barter only business that does not accept legal tender, does not enjoy the protection of legal incorporation, operatess off the grid with no access to public utilities, has a private security force to protect inventory and property, procures a contract with a private fire company, does not advertise on any of the public airways, and receives goods that are not delivered through any public right-of-way. That's the choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privately_held_company
Please know what you are talking about before you spout drivel.
Wait no. Good God. Have you never heard of the private sector when it comes to jobs. A privately held company is any company that is not run by the government.....federal or local. Stupidity like yours is what is wrong with this country. I'm horrified and yet LMAO at the same time by your post
Outside the protected classes (religion, ethnicity, etc), the right to refuse service to anyone based on nothing (without an explanation) remains strong and robust. The issue here is whether service can be refused based on someone's apparent morally different stance. Like if you are a zealot-fundie waiter can you refuse to serve an apparently gay couple seated in your section because your religion abhors this?
And, I don't actually know if this is addressed, but can your boss fire you for refusing them service? ...the kind of thing that launches a night of legal research when you should be sleeping.
If a waiter went to his boss and said I'm not comfortable serving that table then it should not be an issue. Said boss or manager assigns somebody else that table. End of story, unless the gays at that table feel they need to bully the original waiter into serving them.
There is a Halal market in my neighborhood. They do not sell pork products. Should I walk in there and demand they sell bacon to me? Aren't they discriminating against me for not selling me bacon?
Or, should I just go to the Safeway and buy all the bacon I want?
Where has common sense gone????????
Here we have a guy who wants to be the next Guv. Love his responses. I am really looking forward to the "The Daily Show" showing up at the Copper Domed with a camera crew.
I think when you get a "christian activist" group wanting to pass open ended broad laws for a problem that is not a problem,claiming to be defending "religious freedom", there lies the problem at the head of a very slippery slope.
How about the laws and actions of "christian activists" passed in OUR little realm in order to save the children and save drug-addled sex workers from themselves?
If a store chooses not to stock a particular item, then I go elsewhere. If a woman is stuck on the side of the road in the middle of summer, a taxi driver can refuse to pick her up because she is a) uncovered and immodest, b) she is not in the company of a male relative.
A pharmacist can elect not to fill a prescription for birth control, HIV-treatment drugs, etc. because he is morally opposed to it. A physician can choose not to provide treatment to a mixed-race child because of the color of their skin. A landlord may refuse to provide housing to a single woman with child (born or unborn) because he believes in the "sanctity of marriage".
Legislating legalized discrimination doesn't seem to be something the state should be worried about. After all, there are whores to be persecuted and sent to Peoples' glorious re-education and indoctrination centers!!
A pharmacist can elect not to fill a prescription for birth control, HIV-treatment drugs, etc. because he is morally opposed to it. A physician can choose not to provide treatment to a mixed-race child because of the color of their skin. A landlord may refuse to provide housing to a single woman with child (born or unborn) because he believes in the "sanctity of marriage".
Discrimination happens all the time but you just can't have it come to light or you get sued. If i don't want to rent my house to mexicans, I claim that i wasn't comfortable with their ability to pay or their personality. I just didn't like them. No one can tell me to enter biz dealings with someone i don't like or trust for those non protected reasons.
Wedding cake providers, other non essential businesses? Honestly, good luck. All you have to say is "I did not feel like giving them services" with no other explanation and end of case. Its when they can prove discrimination, sometimes by use of a pattern. If someone only rents to whites for a period of time, for instance. Then you can build a case.
The gays that sued that bakery specifically sought out one that was owned by people of religious convictions, that way they could sue them for refusing to make the cake. Cha-ching! A wedding photographer in New Mexico was sued by a gay couple, because he doesn't take photos of gay weddings. Cha-ching! The legislature of AZ was trying to stop these nuisance lawsuits from happening here, although their bill must have been very poorly written if the media thought it would ban all gays from ordering breakfast anywhere in the entire state Arizona. So in the end, there is all this blowback due to all this misinformation, there are threats of boycotts now, and in the end, nobody is going to put a stop to any nuisance lawsuits.
So the status quo will remain. That means you must go and obey your master, he wants his gay wedding cake right now from your religious bakery, but he wants it with two grooms on top, positioned such that is butt-fucking the other. Make that cake right now or else he is going to sue you.
Mr Blonde has got it right. the MSM screwed us again. Can't live your life how you want.
So the status quo will remain. That means you must go and obey your master, he wants his gay wedding cake right now from your religious bakery, but he wants it with two grooms on top, positioned such that is butt-fucking the other. Make that cake right now or else he is going to sue you.
So the status quo will remain. That means you must go and obey your master, he wants his gay wedding cake right now from your religious bakery, but he wants it with two grooms on top, positioned such that is butt-fucking the other. Make that cake right now or else he is going to sue you.
what people say it is, a license to discriminate against gays, here and in Tucson and Flagstaff...interesting read.
K
Thanks for sharing. Interesting that you have the leaders of the House and Senate asking Gov B. to veto due to impression it sends the rest of the country.
K