About the post regarding providers that charge over 1G...
At first I was just interested in the comments. And they are all valid. Sedona has it exactly right though. I happen to fall into the first category of the women she explained.
I understand everyones point of view and don't judge them for having their opinions. That is what's put me at odds with posting here again though.
Coming back from retirement, I have missed this community. Raising my rates, I knew would make some people mad at maybe feeling I felt I was better or mad that now they couldn't afford to see me...whatever the reason, that wasn't going to make me chose not to do it. But, it also doesn't change the fact that I felt I needed this community again.
A guy I once knew used to tell me 'It's not all about you!' and I try to remember that all of the time. But, am I not right to feel that post was directed at me? And am I right to feel that I'm not welcome?
but you need to be true to yourself. There is a certain population who will pick on the high priced girls...out of jealosy maybe; I'm not a behavioral psychologist but don't let the community get you to change your rates....the market sets the price for service.....if you phone doesn't ring, then you have to decide what to do for yourself.
I assure you that the original post was not directed at you nor was it directed at any specific provider. It also was not intended to be critical of providers charging high rates.
The sole objective was to provoke discussion from a different perspective than previously discussed. I was more interested in the point of view of the hobbyist who traveled down this road since I have not.
Although I was seeking the hobbyist's perspective, I was real pleased with the providers responses as well. There were some real interesting perspectives I've not heard before.
I think we got some real good discussion going there. People were civil and the responses were well thought out. It's a beautiful thing when that happens on a discussion board. Wouldn't you agree?
As far as you taking it personally. I can understand why you might but please don't take it that way.
All some will see is an attack on providers who charge more than others. One can only accept responsibility for what they say, not how it is interpreted by others.
And it seems many of the replies to your original post question, and this thread, miss the point of what you were asking.
I liked the premise of your question with regard to the hobbyist perspective. It was on point, and garnered some good responses without too much need to trot out the old "providers have the right to charge what they like" chestnut-a point of view virtually no one disagrees with in the first place, which is how chestnuts get old I suppose.
Thanks for the question-I don't think I have shared my porn star experience on discussion boards before...certainly not as it relates to what "value" it held for me.
Cause no one really phrased it as a legitimate discussion question before.
Hope I offered more insight than offense.
But I don't have any real control of that, so just...
if the post was about you or not. In the end the comments are about the issue and not you. I dont think anyone who's met you would have an unkind thought or comment to direct at you personally.
As for your comment on Sedona's comment...well I think the only thing she "nailed" was her foot to the floor.
"There are certain ladies out there who manage their money well enough to sustain themselves through these droughts- and they'd rather not take as many calls. These ladies don't like to see the type of guys who do this trashy bickering (whining) about $50 (or a few hundred measly dollars in some cases). Sleeping with a guy who behaves this way is nauseating. You feel like you want to run off and take a shower to get off all the filth"
Talk about letting your true colors show thru. So for all the gals who whine about being a "product"....well its pretty clear I'm just a stack of greenbacks.
The vast majority of folks in this country work awful hard for a "few hundred" bucks and treat their money with respect....funny I've never felt the need to take a shower after selling them something.
what's your excuse for being an ass? Mad that I am being the patron saint of the "picked on provider", going to her defense? Why do you take such PERSONAL offense? You're the one who needs help.
you can keep him. From your post on the other thread I'd say someone got yours long before you got mine. I haven't spewed that kind of venom on my worst day...and certainly not on something this trivial. You have every right to charge whatever you want...and anyone in the market for your services has every right to discuss pricing. Thats simply business, it's not personal or demeaning and both sides can sgree to disagree and move on. When you start making blanket value statements like you did your not positioning yourself very well. Regardless of what the "kiss ass" segment of the board will say I gaurantee that everyone of us wants to walk away feeling like we mattered as a person in some small way. While most view the "companionship" boilerplate as just that...the initiated realize that that really is the truth....the icing is just icing....but is nothing without the cake included. If you've truely reached a point where the person doesnt count then maybe it's time to move on to something new....
you went and changed the title. Does that mean you gave my goat back....or do I have yours now?
I'm a man....it's genetic. Afterall there are two types of men....Assholes and liars. Just ask a guy if he's an asshole and you'll know which type your dealing with.
My comment was in no way ment to be personal, its a very real observation about an aspect of the business. I'm simply viewing it from my side of the fence. I have as much right to voice my opinion as you did to voice yours.
Look at it this way, soon you'll be sleepless, frazzeled and glowing....hope all goes well with the little one...
Providers that have set prices at this level simply cater to a specific market. You and others have decided that your product is of a very high quality and can fetch or should fetch a very high price relative to the entire market. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that position. It is a business decision. It is no different than when we see two products in the market that are basically the same (ie jarred tomato sauce) but are packaged and marketed differently. Rao's tomato sauce at AJ's costs $8.00 and Prego costs $3.50. Come on, it's tomato sauce. Does Rao's really cost that much more to make. NO! But, Frankie Pelligrino has made a name for himself and has marketed and packaged himself and his product in a specific way to target a specific market. You're in business just like Frankie is in business. Frankie is opening a second restaurant in Las Vegas and his product is doing very well in stores. His marketing plan is working. If you can be successful with your marketing plan, all the power to you. The real question here is "what could be so different in terms of service quality to justify spending such an increased amount over other providers that are awesome in their own right"? It could simply be the physical attraction one has to the other. It could be personality. It could be ones approach to making woopy. Who knows? Well, I guess we don't know unless we try. Hey, how about spaghetti dinner some time soon? I'm a pretty good cook!!!
Wiz and Bosaz nailed it. Why should you be sensitive about the question? You must have anticipated some reaction when you sent your price so far above the "average" high price. Your answer is in how many appointments have you set at that price AND how many repeat clients at that price. It is a business after all!
Hmmmm, the free market economy at work. Look, if the consumer is willing to pay for something at a higher price then that will set the "market". If the consumer chooses NOT to pay the higher price then those market forces will also set the price in that no product will move. We are free to pay or not to pay. doesn't matter if the product is worth it or not. WE, the consumer, set the market price point in the end. In short, to each his/her own.
I know this can be difficult to understand but some gentlemen prefer to spend more $$$ because they don't want sloppy seconds, so to speak. I mean, lets face it, if you are making $2,500 for a dinner date and you are only with 1 gentlemen it sure is easier than to have to entertain 5-6 different gents to make the same amount. So when it comes to the tomato sauce I would rather spend $8.00 because I'm sure that it taste better. I'm so happy that I am not a man, because if I were I would be bankrupt at this point with all the beautiful women on the internet.
As mentioned in another post, each lady is free in this market to determine where her price point should be placed. Have never met you so don't know where your price point should be relative to other local ladies. However, and with all due respect, there are only so many variations on the theme that one can offer and quite frankly it has not been my experience that the quality increases in a proportional fashion to price. No jab in my comments at you personally, but IMO Phoenix prices are getting a little silly. This is not LA, LV or NYC. Some are now at or pushing 400 and that is over the top IMO. Where you elect to place your price point has no reflection on whether you should be a member of this community or discussion board. Glad to have you here - just won't shop with you. Would rather catch up with 4-5 other ladies and more than double the play time at your price point.
Nothing is aimed at you on a personal level. I would love to see you (and can afford to do so). What stops me is knowing that I probably would get hooked on you and have to continue to feed what might become an incredibly expensive addiction. In time, I'd be living in a doublewide RV as you now refuse to see me due to my pauper status. Occassionally, my big head prevails, as I am neither a rock star or industrial tycoon.
and you can charge whatever your heart desires, it does not matter what other think. I think you are beautiful and would love the opportunity to work/play with you, do you do doubles? Call me if you are interested.
Please, please, no. Not including the doubling of the national debt, I'm not sure that anyone could reasonably be expected to survive the 2 of you together.
Not in this business. You may pay $$$$ for one provider who really puts forth a great effort that results in a great time and you pay the same $$$$ to another provider who does not put forth an effort and the result is a poor experience. You do not always get what you pay for.
I rarely check this board any more. A girl can charge what she wants to charge. I charged less when I was not working another job, taking yoga classes daily, weight lifting daily, and going to school. My schedule is very full. I also own 3 companies. I stopped because I basically don't have the time to go from call to call. I would rather charge a little more and get a date with a guy that believes money doesn't matter. My time is valuable and I make his time very valuable. Hey...I still make what I ask for so the problem must be with you. I don't wanna be a porn star. You could not pay me enough to show my face fucking a million guys on camera. I will be in a very professional career soon. NO need to do that. Nothing against it but it's just not for me. Besides, I make a lot more money than porn stars. You don't know my situation. You don't know the kind of vehicles I drive or the house I live in or my assets and accounts. Why would I have the need to stoop to that level when I don't need to. I don't need to be a fuck star when I don't have to. If I make a porn it's going to be for my own personal collection so I can fuck my dildo's watching it. LOL In my opinion....every other girl should be charging more. A lot of us are models and are very beautiful woman. When you are a beautiful woman you are able to get what you want. And I treat my men like kings because those are the kind of men that come to me. They spoil me rotten. I date real men. Not cheap asses. Men that can take me on a real date and then we fly to heaven in ecstacy. Together we go..
A. an indictment of those who would charge more-that's clearly disclaimed in the first paragraph, and virtually no one would argue a provider's right to charge what they please.
B. intended to disparage you personally. See item A.
It would be a disservice to everyone if a mistaken perception caused you to leave.
I hope you can go back and re-read the original post and the hobbyist replies and see the intent of the specific question rather than draw inferences absent implications.
Diversity, on all levels, is the lifeblood of any community, and we would all be that much less upon your departure.
I hope you stay-whether I ever have a chance to spend time with you or not, regardless of your rates.
And then I will put my insecurities of wanting everyone to like me, to rest.
My idea of the ultimate, sensual, intoxicating experience is much more than an hour of intercourse. I am at my ultimate sexual intensity with a candlelight dinner or a night on the town at a night club or gentleman's club.
If you have met me and haven't seen me in these circumstances, you have no idea what you've missed. I am definitely a person that was born with that natural sensuality that one is lucky to have(not trying to sound conceited, it is just a fact that I have known since I was a young thing).
I love to wear my sexiest clothes and lingerie. Giving knowing looks all night long. Making our foreplay almost as good as the rest. That is what I'm about.
And, I don't think I need to tell you that gentlemen I see regularly don't pay the fee of $1,500. That wouldn't be very nice or very fun now would it?
I do market myself this way because that is how I can meet people looking for that same experience. The entire fantasy. Not just the end result.
I am sorry to the men that would like to see me and can't afford it. But, that doesn't mean I don't love you still.
Isabella, you know as well as I do that a majority of your clients that love you, the money is not what it's about. It's about seeing you. Give me a call if you would like to talk sometime
Sedona posted a comment I found to be incredibly mercenary elsewhere. Personally I could care less what any of the gals charge. However, I think both sides want to come away feeling that somehow it wasnt just the money and that they have some inate value as human beings. Sedona's post clearly articulates her feelings that Bella's clients see the value in her and dont see her simply as an expensive object limited to a select few. Whats funny to me is that Sedona's posting clearly showed a total lack of regard for the inate value or selfworth of her clients. She made it pretty clear....at leat to me....that the only part of a man that matters is the size of his wallet.
I hard it find to reconcile the contrast. Over the years I've been blessed to meet a number of gals who are among the most intelligent caring and intriquing I've ever met thru "the hobby". I've never felt that it was all about the money....sad to see that for some it apparently is.
Are you kidding me ??? of course its about the money. I have never know a woman that it wasnt about the money. The question is how well do they hide it and how well do they enjoy there job.
As much as we as clients, friends , lovers or what ever we have to realise that we are buying a service. Its all about the wallet. Reality its about gathering as many regulars as possible.
Does that women you see make it fun and hot and make you forget it .. or does she rush you and seem machanical thats the differece...
and I dont fault Sedona (or anyone) for looking at the bottom line. But that cuts both ways, if wont work for you dont agree to it. But dont fault the other guy from "working" his side. And dont blame him for something you accepted. It's not the "pricing" that got me as much as the thought someone would agree to a deal then hold the other side in such contempt.
Again as she pointed out above she's pregnent so I probably should have let it go....but then again as she said I'm an asshole......
As I read it she's also discussing those she's seen and drawing a line based on monetary issues. I'm not bashing her on price point, but if you dont want to see someone for any reason....then dont. But dont strike a deal then resent them for it.....again just my 2 cents. Your certainly entitled to your own opinion on the matter.
But on the rate issue, whens the last time a gal said.....well its only a few hundred measly bucks and you do sound great on the phone....so come on over
I first want to say I have never meet you or had any contact with you. So this is just a general statement.
I have been in adult entertainment for over 10 yrs. Everything from my beginning in adult videos to running a high end strip club in the LA area to owning an escort service and back to adult movies.
I just cant see how many women in this style of business can reasonably ask for over a 1g an hour. I find it insane that PSE do. I realise that time is money. I also realise its your right to charge what you feel you time is worth. But as a business model it a bad one. That is unless you can back it up. I am sorry to say you cant. In the PHX valley there are many ladies chrging 400. Honestly most of them should not be over 300. But thats neither here nor there. So my thougt process is this what makes you so much more special then Sedona, Mya, Jordan, Isabella or Kara. The list could go on. From reading your website I cant find anything. Your not a Model or been in a mens magazine. You havent done any type of porn that I can find. Basically you a escort. That is great. But like alot of escorts that over time keep raising there rates thinking guys will pay it some do but most dont. So your now cutting a good majority like myself out that have been lurking on this board waiting for a few women that left before we got to see them maybe reappear. Another one of these woman is Sky Silverman, but like yourself her rates are nuts also. Yes both of you might be legands in the PHX area but still. For what your charging or Sky for that matter you can spend a bit more and get a PSE fantasy.
If i seem at all harsh or insensative i honestly dont mean too. I just cant find the logic and I have many friends that are escorts around the world that fallow the same logic as yorself, then ask me why there losing calls.
I do not normally post, but thought that I would put my opinion out here.
1K+ is too much, way too much. I choose not to see a provider who charges that much because it is just not worth it for me. There are many more wonderful and beautiful ladies in the Valley for what I (and they) consider a more reasonable price.
That is my choice, just as I understand that it is a ladies choice to ask for that price if she wants.
That is why I would have not normally have replied, but you asked.
It also can distort the cost of everything around me. As a matter of fact it drives the price of everything else higher, so I am affected. However, I realize that it is not personal and can choose not to spend the money at any time.
To answer your question, it is not you personally but the excessive fee that is not welcome. Get a skin, and try a little harder to not only remember but realize that it is not all about you.
I started this Hobby and life style in LA. Isabella you would do your self very good to research some of the high class ladies there. A) you would learn some class and tact. B) you would understand what it takes to make OVER a 1G fee. C) you would also learn proper presentation. D) reading this and the name calling and so forth you come off the total opposite of how you want to. Not like a high class girl but just the opposite like a Craigslist girl...
These are ladies that started as 300-400 girls and worked there way up. They dont post and if they do its so rare its sick. Usually those posts are concerning travel dates. But they all have class and tact. I know many of these ladies they have spent yrs refining there presentation. They spend thousands on websites and pictures and text and so forth.
Please take the time to do some research look these ladies up. Browse there websites and learn from them.
Sorry to be a bit harsh but you need it
John
PS if any one wants to tear on me or wants help or a better understanding ... feel free to email me [email protected] And please do.
I didn't read all of the posts. Too much opinion and debate. So my experience is this. I have paid a lot. I have paid a little. Paying more does not mean the service is any better. Or the woman any more sensual. Forgive me, but chemistry is between two people - no matter how sensual one person is, they may seem like a cold fish to someone else.
Chemistry is the key - I will pay more if I have met a woman and find chemistry. Yes, I am swayed by other guys I know when I ask the question - is she worth it (and I do my research before I schedule an appointment at the higher rates for sure). Heck, why do people pay me as much as they do. Key is, I know what I am worth. And I charge it. Ladies - do the same. But while I may pay once for an experience as AZJJ has said, if it "ain't all that and a bag of chips" I doubt if I would go back (I saw one high dollar hottie several times before she moved - not in this city - and yes, she was all that). Some of my best experiences have been for the least amount of money exchanged. Sorry ladies. Guys that overpay are not long term clients - else you would not be posting here (the girls I have seen that regularly charge high rates and can, are mostly "exclusive" and not public). As for doing what you want, I fully support that. But a higher cost does not translate to a better experience. Chemistry does. As for those welcoming higher priced girls, I truly hope you are seeing them and not just offering a verbal support in a public forum to be a nice guy. As for the guys not in favor of higher priced girls, ask your boss for a raise if you believe you are worth it. People who are self-employed can set their own market rates as long as it affords them the lifestyle they want. And yes, there are only two colors in this hobby. Pink and green. Be safe. Have fun. And enjoy life.
don't worry about what other people state in posts about your donations. Check the market, try it for awhile, then make a command decision that will be good for you. It's your business, darlin', so don't let anyone make you feel bad about your business. However, I've raised and lower my rates during times of inflation and deflation but tried to keep it reasonably steady (except when running specials) Wink!
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. So for all the gals who whine about being a "product"....well its pretty clear I'm just a stack of greenbacks