he runs these websites, he is on a maillist that I'm on, and he is portraying himself as a complete resource for sexwork. he says that he has a mailing list of something like hundreds of local providers in the phoenix/tucson area. I'm asking because I'm afraid of him exploting new girls to the biz. I once chatted or ripped him a new one in the tbd chatroom because he was telling the guys essentially how easy it is to manipulate young girls, and to stay away from the 'older' ones because they are always 'hard-cases'. He talks big about working to legalize prostitution too, but only as long as it meets his standards. He feels like a stalker, co-dependent-seeking type, I just worry about the girls there. It's a hard enough biz already.

Autumn.

http://www.sexwork.com
http://www.sexworkcanada.com
http://www.touchangels.com
http://www.libchrist.com

Dave is a harmless person, he just thinks he's (the man) in the sex industry. Dont pay too much attention to him. He is really a nice guy who i dissagree with on almost all topics but quite harmless. He make money off of sex workers by selling his list to newbes and then takes it and spends it in Canada on sex. Ya got to love a guy who gives nothing back. He is a media whore plain and simple.

thank you. I had no idea that he sells his list. On the list that he and I are both on, his rants are like extreme.

Aut.

Yes, Dave can and does go off on tangents frequently but he's very harmless. I think he's a nice guy even though he and I don't see eye to eye on some things. He's been around for years and I do give him credit for getting the word out to providers when there's someone dangerous to us.

I've known Dave for about three years, none of us are perfect but I disagree that Dave gives nothing back to this community. I probably know a dozen providers that would agree.  But the hobbyist community is becoming so divided here in Phoenix that most people are reluctant to say anything.

Has anyone noticed that this board has pretty much been taken over by about 8 or 10 guys and most of our all time favorite providers like Chrissy Stone and Jordan Kay hardly ever post anymore.  We use to have some great discussions but it seems all that is happening anymore is a lot of backslaping among a few guys and kissing up to certain providers. Now that's not all bad.lol

Slowstart

I have never been in any TBD chat room.
I have never talked about "young women"

This is totaly false info.  She is probably upset because I am against street hookers on another board and she is making up all sort of crap.

Dave in Phoenix

From the beginning of time this board as well as others, have had their regulars, their alias's, and newbiew who find their way here one way or another.  TER has long been a Board dominated by providers and most are great and wonderful ladies who provide a valuable service.  Some are more active than others, and some are more opinionated than others.  But no one on this Board is shy about speaking their minds.  Debate is a good thing even thought sometimes it can get out of hand.  That's what the mod is for.  Jordon Kay is still Phoenix's premier provider and has always maintained her rates, diginity and grace.  I have met Chrissy Stone but never had the pleasure.  On occasion I have disagreed with some of her posts but still maintain my respect for who she is and what she has to say.  Many on this Board have disagreed but later found common ground.  After all, in the end it is a small community and this is a "HOBBY" not the end of the world.  But thinking of that, what a way to go.  Oh mY God, I sound like that Jackson4117 guy with his poems and philosophy.

that's really funny dave, you seem to have a login for TER here.

this was about 1 something years ago. this person, was telling guys how to approach strippers and give them 'loving touch', in order to get behind their defenses and ultimatley get free services. He spoke of knowing how to massage women after going to classes at Esalen, and he had some very graphically done websites that spoke of extensive knowledge of the sex 'biz'.

he spoke of literally 'targeting' young girls because the 'old' ones were to hardened and jaded. he talked of his successes, and also his favorites in the phoenix area, and his preference of going to canada for 'better deals'.

and I am exactly who I claim to be by the way.

hugs, Autumn666

but knowing you Dave, im sure she took you out of context. I think most people relize that.

to be very honest, I forgot to add this, but this TBD chat thing happened about a year ago. However Dave's retoric on his views on some aspects of sexwork has continued right up to the present.

Aut.

To Autumn:

It sounds like you have some personal issues with Dave that made you post now.

If you were so concerned about him based on message board comments a year ago, why did you wait so long to air your concerns?

Dave is opinionated, yes...a stalker, no. He provides behind the scenes safety information for providers which is much appreciated.

There's no doubt Dave is very knowledgeabe about the sex worker scene. I've seen his web sites, and while I don't always agree with his opinions, he does provide a good resource for the community.

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Something is not 'quite right' here. Perhaps you're a legitimate provider in the hobby... but one who's doing somebody a favor. It's no secret that Dave has his enemies and they like nothing more than trying to discredit him. (You'd think that they'd have better things to do with their time. LOL)

The bottom line... Dave (and his list and sites) have been around for a very long time. As with anyone or thing, some like and some dislike his points of view and some like and some dislike him. Everybody has a right to their opinion.

I've known dave for a very long time and we've bucked heads on a few issues and I'm sure that we will continue to hold our ground. LOL In all of the time that I've known him I have never heard or seen him say anything disrespectful about providers or women in general... much less say something about "how easy it is to manipulate young girls". I may not always agree with him but I do like him for caring.