and its easier to do so here vs buried in different spots.

1) My comments in the original thread were directed pretty specifically toward information being removed from TER....not from PHX411. I was curious why glenn followed suit but his post answered my questions.

2) I could care less about CL or anyone on it. I do not disagree with anyones comments that your taking potentially greater risks there. Personally I think the reason you have more busts on CL is that the gals are less experienced and sophisticated then the ones on 411 (and generally a much lower standard).

3) A couple of people brought up economic issues and suggested that I have some plan to promote lower level gals. Jordan, Jack and at least one alias mesntioned it. I leave that type of stuff to TMAN. Out of 33 reviews 1 gal is from CL and one from cityvibe. The CL gal was a pure flyer and yes I did write a little blurb about it. I cant believe I'm the only guy here who looks thru all the garbage and isnt curious....so I rolled the dice and took the time to but some 411 up. Gee I thought thats what this was for? I actually just got a PM from someone who was interested in Danielle and asked me if it was "safe"...I gave him my 2 cents on her and then told him he'd be better of ponying up the extra $150 and going to see Molly Rose...so much for "promoting" (are you saying pimping?).

95% of the people who post here dont know me at all and have opinions based strictly on there impressions based on the BBS. However some like Jordan and Jack do know me fairly well. I'm saddened and disappointed that they would attribute my actions to such trivial goals.

In my time on TER I've never written a less than honest review (regardless of pricing). Never said a bad word or ground an ax based on a personal issue. Never sent a derogatory PM or spread ill via back channels. I've always stood up and said what I felt under my known identity...often asking questions like this one. I have no issue with anyone who disagree's with my perspective or point of view....simply saddened that people who actually know me (or at least I thought they did) would assume my motives were/are anything beyond legitimate curiousity....

Az hacker keep posting please you do have a following here on the boards look at how many of us read your posts I for one am interested in your perpective. I do not think Jack and Jordan were saying this was priceing scam on your part. you bring your honest opinions and thoughts and I for one respect your concerns and questions......

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Hacker,  I did not raise the economic issue...you did in your previous post and a subsequent post as you felt there was a move to keep lower priced providers out of the market..if I caught the jest of your statement.

I know you well and you frequent our service often and we appreciate that...however this issue is not about price points....anyone can charge what they want and feel they are worth..

This issue is about Safety......and the need for there to be a standard.....nothing more nothing less......people can shop whereever and whenever they want...at least last time I looked this was still a free country.....

This Hobby is wroght with mine fileds...to participate you have to know where to step......or not to step so to speak............

You and I are friends and I do respect all of the concerns you articulated so clearly. I'm not arguing any of those issues at all. Nor am I advocating "slumming". I'm not one of the local "heavy hitters" but I do spend $15,000 or so a year hobbying (alot of it at AZM).

Historically I'm also very ATF/indie driven....hell I spent 20 hrs with JK looking at dolls on ebay (obviously not all at once). I hold both of you in high regard and have no problems being on differing sides of an issue.

My only area of concern is that either of you would feel that I have some motive here beyond questioning the removal of information from TER.

I do feel that Gleen is reacting to pressure from his current client base on this. That does not however mean that his rational is without independent merit. The bottom line is that a larger % or actual reviews are coming from CL/eros/cityvibe then I've seen in along time. So the market itself is realigning to a degree. Now folks like me with 10 or 20 thousand a year in hobby money are going to spend it primarily with either the top end indies or top end agencies....but what about the guys who scrape up "session money" once or twice a quarter? When they PM me I tend to tell them better one great experience for $400 then two shitty ones....but in the end alot of guys who want a steak dinner go to black angus. Would they rather eat at Mortons sure...but what they can afford is Black Angus. I just think its a reality that more and more of this is creeping into the market and thus TER. Censoring it seems to defeat the reason for this BBS and review board IMO.

Truthfully I'm a bit different then most in the sense that I've cracked more then a few beers in dive bars and slums around the world so I'm not really all that worried about an unpleasant encounter or two. On the flip side I can also afford to play internationally every year...so I'm not squeezing buffalo nickels.

As you know i'm not bashful about addressing issues straight on. Since you and others are speculating on my motives. I thought I'd set the record straight....

Thanks for the reply BTW....

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Out of curiosity I picked three ads on CL.  One was very similar to those found on PHX 411.  She was nice and polite on the phone, asking for a reference and when I inquired about GFE, BBBJ, etc., etc., she politely told me she did not sell sex and hung up.  The second ad was more to the point and she was willing to discuss services up to a point until I declined to give a reference.  The third ad was grafic, to the point and pulled no punches.  She readily answered all my questions regarding her services, her services left nothing out or to the imagination.  She was very graphic about each and kept trying to set an appointment without the request for references.  The point being, each one who has responded to the various threads has a valid point, concern or even an agenda.  It makes no difference which, all of you have made valid arguements.  I think the action re: Phx 411 on advertising is appropriate and I think Hacker is also correct that information on TER is not a bad thing.  My question is how far and to what extent this issue will take?  When will CityVibe, Eros, Erotic Review, etc. advertisers be banned?  Is it any different than taking away the rights of a newspaper which prints subversive articles followed by the seizure of the newspaper by the government?  Or, making ones' lively hood illegal, forcing those underground and then prosecuting them for a victimless crime?  I hope I have not stomped on anyones sensibilities or offended you in anyway.  After all, all of us (providers and hobbiest alike) take a chance when we play, play safe and be civil to each other.

To earn a good reputation.  When I first started escorting 4 years ago in San Diego I was scared, tired of working for nothing, desperate to get my girl through college, and just live a fair and decent lifestyle.  I built a little free geocities ad, and bought a spot at SDExotics for 100.00 a month.  I was asking for $$ an hour (because I thought my age made me less valuable) and immediately started getting calls.  Within about a week I got a review on TER and my phone went off the hook.  After a couple of months, and more reviews, I started getting comments from clients that I was not charging enough.  That they were sceptical about me because of my low fee.  I didn't understand that right away, but my phone was so busy, that I raised my rate to 2.5 just to see what happened.  Calls did not slow down at all.  But, San Diego has a huge base of visiting affluent clientele as well as local abundance year round.  I still could not begin to keep up with all of the requests and because of my back ground in business and management eventually raised my rate to the benchmark of $$$.  But, keeping my rates lower for multiple hour hour dates as I find it more efficient for body, mind and soul.  In the beginning I was so hungry to meet goals I never thought I could, (I had been diagnosed with breast cancer and was afraid I might die before getting my girl through school).  I did take risks I learned later were not worth it when I got busted.  This further taught me how to insist on higher end clients, vs volume.  My diagnosis was early and I ended up being very lucky but took a non traditional route to treatment that has worked for me so far.  I am only mentioning this to say that ladies who are first coming out have numerous reasons for it.  It is not always about drugs, and pimps.  It is not that hard to build a good reputation in a very short time if you are sincere and suited for this arena.  If you are goal driven vs vice driven.  The only reason I knew how to even approach this is because in the 80's I worked for a very good agency in Phoenix but did not last long because I was drug driven then.  It didn't take long for that agency to know that I was full of crap to put it lightly.  I cleaned up, worked very hard for many years, but a series of events like, downsizing, divorce and the economy came down on me with a force I never believed could ever happen.  I struggled as an "honest" woman for 5 years after my downsizing before re-entering this arena.  I have posted on CL as well as backpage when the drought of summer came along, and I have met a few very nice people, however the culling is a bit challenging.  My main reason for saying all of this is to give the girls who are starting out with good goal driven intentions in mind a word of encouragement.  Those ladies who have tried very hard to do their best, who are approaching this without shame and coersion of a pimp, funky boyfriend or drugs.  There are a few there and I have got their back.  When I bought my ad at SDExotics, I thought it appeared to be a very classy site, but it was riddled with LE.  Their photos are NOT verified, and I pulled my business from them when I discovered they didn't care who they catered to.  A new girl with one favorable review can build a good repution in no time, once the heat of summmer leaves this area.  I had to leave town 3 times this summer to get by.  No biggie, I had a nice time, got out of the heat and expanded my horizons and learned new things at museums, ate at new places.  Being forced to go new places is a good thing.  As far as competition goes, I have to say that ladies from Phoenix have been awe inspiring when it comes to referring safe clients, helping me meet clients in Phoenix and one thing I can say that in times in need they can keep each other alive.  I cannot say the same for some of the local Phoenix guys.  They were pretty welcoming until one did not get a particular request that I do not provide during a session, which was not all his fault as there was a feature on my profile that was not supposed to be there.  Even though not one of my reviews reflected that, he was expecting it and very dissapointed when that one offering was not honored.  Since that time, I have not had any approach from the same frequent posters who were very warm prior to the PM's that I am sure occurred after my meeting that one local, over posting shiller.  Yes, they can affect our business.  Very much and it has been a campaign to promote lowering of fees and offering more for less.  For that reason, I am reluctant to attend many of the mixers that happen.  Terrikares, OhMya, AZCandy, Ms. Manae to name a few have been great ladies, and it is very doubtful that a new lady here or there is going to hurt anyone that has worked to build a good safe reputation.  Were it not for each other, we would be much blinder.  When the visitors stop coming to AZ in the summer, it is very hard to cover your needs without compromising.  It seems that when that happens, all of the creeps come out of the woodwork, as well as a much larger degree of calls from LE who also know how dry it gets.  I will close by saying, everyone should earn thier place wherever it might be.  But the local women have been much more helpful and warm towards me here than the Good Ole boys club has.  Don't get me wrong, I have met some great guys in Phoenix, but they haven't been the all knowing shot callers here on the Phoenix board.  I find it interesting that the same holds true for many of the overposting people in SD.  The ones who want more for less, are usually the ones who are going to be the least supportive of your best efforts.  I hope this message is read by any struggling ladies who are posting on CL or Backpage, and helps you to learn and do your best to meet your goals, meet good people who appreciate you and don't expect you to compromise for them just because they have some fat "handle".  Take care of yourself and move forth with concious intention.

This post exemplifies a side of the business I was refering to in my post-in answer to lukeage- in an earlier thread. It's dated today. As a matter of fact, I just posted it a few minutes ago... I hope you (all) check it out.

LOVE AND PEACE,

Sheika Fatima

certainly opens the eyes..i give you credit

thank you sweetie, you can count on me and I got your back too.

Keep up the good work,

Candy
xoxox

AZmystique has been awesome in providing references and support as well.  Also, giving me a plug when I announce a visit in Chicago, and I try to do the same for them when they announce in SD.  This can be a great community and it has helped me tremendously.  There are other ladies I haven't mentioned, but there are quite a few.  Indies, or agencies, new ladies or gents, we all have a responsability to do the best we can to take care of each other, and not out people until they have proven to be bad apples.  That brings to mind a former highly respected reviewer and heavy poster who seems to have dissapeared now that several ladies reported serious abuse and whose behavior was escelating at a rapid pace a few months ago.  I am sure we can all remember who that guy was.  A good reputation can also go bad sometimes.  Love prevails!















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Glenn has built the Ritz of sites.  God Bless America that he can do so.  He has built a site based on quality service, not easy convenience.  There are Best Western's and Motel 6 for those whoi simply need a place to crash.  For those of us that want to be treated like the important people we are, there is the Ritz.  There are a lot of ameture (that was for you Whatever)economists out there so you will understand the concept of BRAND VALUE.  A concept that makes trademark/ IP lawyers rich while racking up obscene fees protecting BRAND VALUE from wanna-be interlopers.  Motive for protecting a Brand is irrelevant and free speech does not necessarily apply to private enterprise.

Sure I peruse Craig's List.  For the same reasons I watch Jerry Springer, rubberneck at accidents on I-10, watch trainwrecks, listen to Tony Snow spin Bush's bullshit and watch the Arizona Cardinal's offensive line attempt to pass protect--because human nature dictates morbid curiousity.  But I don't sleep there!

I agree with Jack--it is about the safety and security of ALL of us involved.  For goodness sake, this is America!  Let Glenn protect his BRAND VALUE in peace!  I thank him for it.

PS Please note that Glenn has some nice Hilton Suites available.  Clean, comfortable and reasonably priced for those that choose not to valet park.

Finally, two points.  First, I stand proudly behind my alias to remain a "lurker" around these parts.  Second, do you think it a coinsidence (Whatever-again) that Chris "Good Hair Guy" from NBC is gracing us with his NBC team right after one of our own haggard-looking friends chose to shine a nice bright light on Phoenix with her presence on a Nationally syndicated talk show????

In the previous post by Alan Greenspan, I let the comment about AzHacker trying to turn "Phoenix411 into another TMAN's POST" go.Now, you have made it personal AZHackless, by insulting me in this post regarding you points from earlier. I do not post on here often. I still get bashed from time to time by you and others that just refuse to let the past go.  I for 1 feel as if I had been conducting myself in a more respectful manner.
Individuals such as yourself that continue to drudge up the past, seem to just want drama in their lives.
Was it not you that was caught for exchanging reviews for a lower rate? You have the nerve to insult me for my past behaviors & continue to do it to this very day!!
When do I complain about economic issues? I do not hassle providers about their rates. I do not complain publicly about things of that nature . I simply ask that you leave me out of your disscussions.

since I generally dont read the gals posts (99% of all em {alias's} are providers after all). Personally I've never exchanged a review for any economic consideration so i've never been "caught" at anything. If I recall you were receiving "services" for free in return for posting reviews and "hotshots". I was referring to your historical actions....not your present condition. I've never once asked a provider for a discount in order to see her....so you've got to little flasehoods there.

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If anybody ever tries that kind of barter, they are sleaze ball scum, and they should be run out of Dodge... And, ladies, if this happens to you, please let us (all) know who it is.

WITH LOVE AND SINCERITY,

Sheika Fatima

If you want anyone to value your opinion then stand behind it.
Im of the opinion that your a coward in both the real and virtual worlds. So ridden with fear that you cannot take the thought of someone actually knowing with certitude what you think.

No AzHacker, your posting was worded in present tense  & not past as you claim now. I am going to ask you again, please leave my name out of your discussion threads.

I was told one time from a well known hobbyist that he won't give out his handle name, his reason was he didn't want the session biased from knowing that he does write reviews.

There are many hobbyist that don't write reviews, I must be seeing all of them...wink!Just kidding!

No one had ever asked me for a session for a review nor have I ever asked for one!

T

Absence wont make you any better regarded by those who know the past history.

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I feel the same…

Price should be by the hour and non-negotiable.

To me, any other arrangement is just an undue influence on the reviews. Although I know that this is unrealistic to some providers who charge by the service, but

Once the camel gets his nose under the tent, it is only a short time until he is completely inside.

When you start to barter, the whole thing (the providers business and the veracity of the reviews) begins to snowball out of control. And, in a business sense, the provider begins to loose control of the situation.

To put it another way,

Once you pay Dane geld you never get ride of the Dane.

LOVE AND PEACE

Sheika Fatima