A girl who used to post on here (but was banned) just reported on her blog that she was drugged and robbed by a client last night.

So ladies, you might want to take a pass on that drink until they catch this guy.

edited by moderator .... no posting about banned providers

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Reangerous client alert

Thanks for the info can you share anymore information? thank you Victoria maybe by PM?

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Reangerous client alert

Apparently the guy was well-screened and even had references. I do not know much more.  You can follow the link in the Original post.

This is a potentially huge problem.  Being that this is a cash biz, and that some girls never make bank deposits with what they earn...A robber is out there who knows that a large portion of the girls would never report ths to the cops.

I think the lesson is:  Do not accept any drinks.

From the lady:

"He went by 'Scott' and always called from a number in the 212 area code.  (A cell phone that was going unanswered Thursday and by today was out of service). He had two references from NY and two from lesser-known locals on CL.  All four references checked out that this guy was okay. He was driving a rental car as his MO was that he was here from out of town, which may be true. The only way it could have happened was through my drink.  There was no other opportunity."

This is so scary!

That is the reason I say no drinking on my site..Same thing happened to me back in 2001 and I am very cautious now....

necessary for you to post about how or in what manner a provider may or may not conduct their financial matters? I don't think any speculation about such should be broadcast in this type of forum.

Start with the facts.
1)"Banned provider from TER" (accepts appts from less known hobbyists)
2)"out of town with 212 area code"
3)"references from NY" (after all, most all the Phx providers know all the NY providers, right?)
4)"references from CL" (now there's a reputable site)
5) provider has a visible drink or accepts a drink (even flies can somehow find themselves at the bottom of a glass)

"This is so scary!"???
Answer: No. Not scary. I'm more inclined to say, "ignorant" to her surroundings.  I think for the most part, providers have good common sense to protect themselves and don't open themselves up for risk.

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You might understand a little more of why this happened.. I've been a regular of hers since before she was banned  (for a 'newbie' mistake). She's only been in the business for about 3 months and is still learning.  She's very sweet and trusting and that's what got her into this situation.
 
  She always starts off by offering to get you a drink and tends to leave hers there on the table.  Obviously she won't be doing that anymore.  

 She's NEVER come across as desperate and seems to have enough business to get by. I usually respect your postings..just give her the benefit of the doubt on this one please..

B

she did not deserve for this to happen to her. In any illegal business people are vulnerable to this kind of thing because there is no protection under the law, which is why this business should be legal IMHO. But sharing information on dangerous people like this is the best way to keep everyone safe and this community should encrourage people coming forward about abuses.

just my opinion,
--p#3

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in my comments did I mention anything about any "illegal business" or "prostitution". Let me also add that I did not imply that anyone deserved to be a recipient of malicious harm. I did however insinuate that some people lack common sense most commonly driven by ignorance or selfish motives. Judging by your response to my comments, I can only wonder if you lack common sense yourself, or are a close party to the "banned TER provider", or you are indeed the OP.....maybe all the above.

Never an alias
BI001

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Actually, I think you insinuated a lack of common sense based on being "banned from TER and/or maybe desperate."  

I doubt that either of the two were actually factors in this scenario; much like I doubt that any provider who sees a new client or meets someone from out of town lacks common sense or is qualified as ignorant, selfish, or desperate.
The fact that this person provided references of any kind shows that there was at least some form of screening process in place.  That tells me that this provider wasn't indiscriminate.  Stuff like this does happen, though thankfully it doesn't seem common.  

If nothing else, it's a reminder for providers to be cautious; and perhaps also reinforces the concept that Phoenix hobbyists are the only ones worth seeing.

Look, I am sure the provider and everyone else knows what mistakes she made.  I do not think we need someone to point it out in the manner that you did.  These ladies are human beings, so lets try not to be so cold shall we?

Brad

Strong insinuations coming from someone who doesn't even hobby anymore because he couldn't help from getting too close.....
Listen.. I know nothing of this particular situation and I assume neither do you. I just think that stating someone was 'desperate' or lacks 'common sense' after they went through the process of screening a client is a bit out of line. I think the lesson here is that caution is in order and if specific knowledge is available on this guy then he should be outted so that this does not happen to other ladies.

Respectfully,
--p#3

QUOTE:
"1)"Banned provider from TER" (accepts appts from less known hobbyists)
2)"out of town with 212 area code"
3)"references from NY" (after all, most all the Phx providers know all the NY providers, right?)
4)"references from CL" (now there's a reputable site)
5) provider has a visible drink or accepts a drink (even flies can somehow find themselves at the bottom of a glass)"

1-a) Banned from TER...ladies are banned or have themselves delisted for any number of reasons not being on TER does not equate to ignorant or bad...just not on TER.  

1-b)Sees lesser known hobbyists...so unless someone posts on the boards or has racked up a number of TER reviews he is  a bad risk?  That will come as surprise to most ladies as they tend to say very few of their clients are reviewers or post on the boards at any of the sites. I would also assume that all the known hobbyists were new at one time and therefore unknown...yourself included, would you suggest that none of the ladies should have ever seen anyone that wasn't well known?...because that is flawed logic, and a hell of a catch-22...have to be known to be seen...can't be known unless you're seen first.

2.)Out of town with a 212 area code...if a would be client is married or has a business cell phone it is repeatedly suggested he get a pre-paid phone...picking one up in the city he is visiting isn't proof of nefarious intent.

3.) Reviews from NYC...aren't you the same guy that was more than a bit vexed about your lackluster responses from ladies in Vegas when you visited...maybe they were just using common sense and not taking risks and didn't trust your out of state references...or maybe it's just when you are picking apart someone, that isn't even on the boards to defend herself, that you think out of state equals a bad risk?

4.) References from CL....many well reviewed, well respected ladies have either started out on CL or still occasionally advertise there.  That a lady is on CL isn't an immediate indication that she and a reference from her can't or shouldn't be trusted.

5.)Provider has a visible drink or accepts a drink... (I've never heard of an invisable drink..but then i don't get out much *smirk*) many clients bring bottles of wine with them to appointments, many meet the lady for a drink first, liquor is generally seen as a bit of a social lubricant and not everyone that has a drink is being ignorant, taking risks or lacking common sense.

The idea that blaming the victim for being a victim instead of focusing on the behavior of the one that victimised doesn't actually help her or anyone else...especially when your rules would keep most ladies from seeing most clients if they were actually practiced as you advise...only well known clients, that are local and have local references from other well known ladies in town that are on TER...so no new hobbyists and no new ladies need apply?  I think if that standard were ever put in place anywhere this wouldn't be the "world's oldest profession"...it would have been the world's shortest lived profession.

The original post was made to warn ladies to be careful and look out for a dangerous client, and linked to the blog of the lady that did encounter him...or at least one lady that did encounter him. Seems it is a simple warning made to protect the ladies...to follow that with a set of mostly unrealistic rules to follow, with the implication if a lady doesn't she lacks common sense, doesn't seem to actually be showing concern for anyone's well being so much as passing judgment and deeming yourself superior.

Thank you WT for a very thoughtful response.I could not have phrased it any better. The point is we need to be supportive not critical of what was a fair warning to our friends who may forget how dangerous life can be. Lets be careful out there!

Obviously tainting someone's drink (allegedly) is not condonable behavior.

"passing of judgment" - My comment was not to the original post but to the post titled "more scoop".  My comment was directed to the poster's siting, "this is so scary", and not directly to the "banned from TER" provider.

"deeming yourself superior" - for me? Quite laughable. I solely leave that ranking for you alone. Your saddle is much taller than mine "sir".

I don't "hobby" anymore because I am not as bright as you and probably not as finacially fit either. But what I do engage in, you'll have to leave to your imagination. Getting close has nothing to do with it.  I call it getting smart, but still have a weakness for a large breasted blonde or two on occasion.

OK, still have some room for 3 or 4.

Reangerous client alert

My intention was not to draw unwanted attention to the provider, nor was it to ridicule her for her securtity practices.  Nor was it to lecture anyone.

My point was that this happened recently, and the guy was on the loose.  And he did not seem to be doing it for the sex, but rather for the money.  He found a great target. Girls who might be less willing to report him.  hat does that mean?  That he might still be in town and willing to try it again.

And next time, the guy might not prepare the correct dosage (and who knows WHAT the hell he was using).  He might actually KILL someone, and for what, to get the day's proceeds?  A thousand bucks perhaps?  

Its sick.  And I can't imagine that cops would focus on arresting the provider instead of going after this sicko guy.  It's sick that guys like this are out there and we have no power to do anything to bring him to justice.